Will console graphics ever beat PC graphics?

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Vinculi

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JeanLuc761 said:
Vinculi said:
I know its a little off topic, but is anyone else curious about the fact that Crysis 2 is going to be multiplatform? The producer claimed it was going to be the "best looking game ever", but anyone who buys it on a console will have purchased a seriously scaled back version of the game, will that make people angry?
I'll only be angry if the game "suffers" for the multi-platform development. I certainly don't blame Crytek for utilizing the Xbox 360 and PS3, but if the PC version isn't tailored specifically to the strengths of modern day PC's, I will feel...betrayed, for lack of a better word.
Well I heard someplace that Crysis 2 will have lower system requirements than Crysis 1, so either they're some kind of cabal of wizards, they've scaled back the engine to work on consoles, or found a way to make the new CryEngine 3 much more efficient, hopefully its option 1 or 3.
 

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Though, the PCs can get to a point where upgrading is unnecessary anymore. They would almost match then.
 

PedroSteckecilo

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Nah, PC's can be tweaked and custom built with mucho dollars for maximum performance whereas consoles have fixed hardware.

Console Graphics are more about Art Design and Engine Optimization, not outright Graphical Power and personally I like it that way, realism is for chumps.
 

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PedroSteckecilo said:
Nah, PC's can be tweaked and custom built with mucho dollars for maximum performance whereas consoles have fixed hardware.

Console Graphics are more about Art Design and Engine Optimization, not outright Graphical Power and personally I like it that way, realism is for chumps.
PC graphics aren't about art design and engine optimization? That's a new one.

Though I agree, realism is a little too emphasized today.
 

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Well to put it simply
No.
Justification: We are getting close to a point where graphics CANT get any better, so when PC's and consoles reach this point then none can out do each other.
 

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Erana said:
I've always found this notion pretty silly. In art, limitations can push the artist further- the fixed hardware of a console can cause a lot of big-budget games to resolve to visual creativity, and tricks to make the game look visually comparable to general games on the market.
This. I'm frankly sick of almost every game going for a photorealistic style. Even with the most powerful of PCs, those games are still stuck firmly in the uncanny valley. I'd rather see a less realistic art style done well than this continuous parade of creepy pseudo-humans on my screen.
 

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3nimac said:
Probably when graphics hardware gets so advanced that it can display an unlimited number of polygons, or at least unlimited in the sense that adding more doesn't make a visible difference.
This.

At this time, the bottleneck appears to be not hardware, but developers. Programming in Hi-Def, from what I've read, is a real challenge, taking twice as much money and time developing a game 1/2 as long as what we were served in Gen 6.

What I do find fascinating is how much has improved in Gen 7 consoles. Take a look at Burnout Revenge on the 360. The environments look like they are made out of modeling clay. Now look at Burnout Paradise. Same hardware, the developers are getting better at tweaking it.
 

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When I was in college for Music, my professor gave us three chords to work with, and only three, and we were supposed to come up with a song. When someone asked him why we'd do that instead of just using any notes we wanted, he said because sometimes you can come up with more within limitations then you can when you have none. He worded it better, but you get what I mean. It's why some movies that cost 11,000 can be better then a movie made on 20,000,000.

So it's kind of a double edged sword. The PC is always updating, never slowing down. So it's always getting higher and higher. It's in constant building and rebuilding. Consoles, however, are all on one setting all the time. They don't get better as time goes on. But, the trade off is that while PC's always have more and more power for graphics, the Consoles get more polished visuals because people know what they're doing with them (this was the case for God of War II, according to some Gameinformer article I read.)

I think it's possible that consoles could reach the point that when they come out, they're better then PC's graphics, but it wouldn't stay that way for long. I'm actually ok with this though, as graphics are not even half the pie of gaming for me, but I don't like being unable to play a game because my PC isn't up to snuff. I hope that consoles never get to the point where we have to worry about upgrading them, because then I'd be in the same place I am now with my PC. Although at that point, I guess I'd just go back to my Dreamcast :p
 

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No they wont, and it's pretty obvious why. Many of other people have already pointed this out.

What I want to point out is that most of the people who argue the superiority of the PC platform because of graphics (among other things) are probably also the type who say that graphics aren't everything.

Anyway; arguing that PCs (or any platform) are better for gaming because of their graphic potential is pretty stupid anyway. The core of the game (how it plays, how the story is written etc) will always be more important. There isn't that great amount of difference between the platforms regarding the more important options so I suppose fanboys will grab onto whatever they can.

Also, is anyone picking up a strong anti-console vibe on the forums recently? There has always been one but it feels like over the past few days it's started to show up in full force for no reason.
 

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Fire Daemon said:
Also, is anyone picking up a strong anti-console vibe on the forums recently? There has always been one but it feels like over the past few days it's started to show up in full force for no reason.
I've kind of been noticing that, but I don't think it's that bad. This isn't an anti-console thread, so far as I can tell.

Maybe it's a backlash from the console elitism that I've seen running rampant over these forums over the last few weeks :(
 

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Well that depends how you look at it. Consoles are cheaper, an xbox probably wont make that type of quality picture but the thing only cost 300$ while that PC is probably 1000$ or more. So bang for your buck I would go console.

My background so you know my perspective.
I do console and a little PC gaming.
 

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Consoles will beat crysis level graphics. there is no question about it. but consoles use pc hardware. while its possible the first couple months when it comes out a console may have better graphics (possibly, game developers will not know how to use this technology the best yet though) pc graphics will quickly overcome console graphics and stay better until the next generation.
 

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JeanLuc761 said:
Fire Daemon said:
Also, is anyone picking up a strong anti-console vibe on the forums recently? There has always been one but it feels like over the past few days it's started to show up in full force for no reason.
I've kind of been noticing that, but I don't think it's that bad. This isn't an anti-console thread, so far as I can tell.

Maybe it's a backlash from the console elitism that I've seen running rampant over these forums over the last few weeks :(
This is kind of an anti-console thread. Kind of. It's basiaclly about how a part of PC gaming is better than console gaming, but if you compare the two that will always crop up. It depends on how far you want to look into it I guess. This thread isn't too bad, there have been worse
 

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Warped_Ghost said:
Well that depends how you look at it. Consoles are cheaper, an xbox probably wont make that type of quality picture but the thing only cost 300$ while that PC is probably 1000$ or more.
*resists the admittedly tempting urge to rage over the stereotype*
*takes deep breath*

Alright, here we go. Yes, an Xbox does an impressive amount for $300, but building an equivalent PC should, if you're savvy, take no more than $500-600 to get a machine that will not only destroy the Xbox on any game out there, but is also capable of much more than just gaming.
 

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Fire Daemon said:
This is kind of an anti-console thread. Kind of. It's basiaclly about how a part of PC gaming is better than console gaming, but if you compare the two that will always crop up. It depends on how far you want to look into it I guess. This thread isn't too bad, there have been worse
As you said, it depends how far you want to look into it. Technically, better visuals and smoother frame-rates is a point for saying PC's are better, but there's so much more to take into account when choosing a system.
 

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6unn3r said:
Personaly ive always been a pc gamer so i am a bit biased on this issue, however i think it's worth a look. Bellow is a screenshot from Crysis on the PC. Can consoles ever hope to match up to graphics like this? Given that it takes a pc to program and build a console game will there always be some measure of downgrading to make any given game work on a console? Or since the constant upgrading and updating of pc's is neverending will it take a console sent back in time to beat pc's on graphics and looks alone?

Ideas?

Well to answer the "will they ever look this good" yes. The new cry engine for consoles looks pretty similar. As for overtaking? No way
 

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JeanLuc761 said:
Fire Daemon said:
Also, is anyone picking up a strong anti-console vibe on the forums recently? There has always been one but it feels like over the past few days it's started to show up in full force for no reason.
I've kind of been noticing that, but I don't think it's that bad. This isn't an anti-console thread, so far as I can tell.

Maybe it's a backlash from the console elitism that I've seen running rampant over these forums over the last few weeks :(
The problem is that in a lot of threads, the OP posts a question, and gets at least two pages worth of the same post content before its over with. Few people have said anything other than, "Nope, *rephrases insight from the OP*".
Constant repitition of the same sentiment can't help but feel like people hammering in the same sentiment, which is only a stone's throw away from, "PCs will always be better than Consoles."

I understand the OP is looking for some deeper insight or information on this issue, but I don't think a good argument about the technical specs of a console surpassing the PC is going to come around any time soon, so this thread seems pretty moot to me.
 

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Soylent Bacon said:
The photorealistic look is cool, but I hope that's not the only reason people want to buy the game. I also hope there aren't people ignorant enough to expect the highest graphic settings on the console versi- oh wait, there are plenty of idiots out there (not just console players)...
I work at Gamestop, and it's absolutely depressing how many people return games or flat-out refuse to buy them because "Oh...the graphics are just okay."

Hell, I had one mother who said "No, he doesn't buy games that are more than 2-3 years old because of the graphics."

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