Windows- the most un-user friendly product ever created

[MiracleOfSound]

Piss off and read a book. Oh wait, you've pumped yourself full of toxins instead. Smart move, my tech-wise friend, smart move.

Excuse me?

 

[vampirekid.13]

most un-user friendly huh?


you should try running Dos for a bit. then think again.

 

[Tattaglia]

Piss off and read a book. Oh wait, you've pumped yourself full of toxins instead. Smart move, my tech-wise friend, smart move.

Excuse me?

What do you want me to say? That ranting on about something whilst intoxicated isn't a sure-fire way to receive some flak?

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Piss off and read a book. Oh wait, you've pumped yourself full of toxins instead. Smart move, my tech-wise friend, smart move.

Excuse me?

What do you want me to say? That ranting on about something whilst intoxicated isn't a sure-fire way to receive some flak?

What do I want you to say?

Hmm, let me see, well given your abusive attitude and tone, how about nothing?

 

[Viruzzo]

Windos is much more user friendly than any Linux distro, and that is a given (yes, even Ubuntu).
As for the error message, usually (as in case of the most common error, access violation) it's not the user's fault, it's the programmer's fault: that means that neither Windows (which is not responsible for the code written by third parties) nor the user can do much to prevent the error.
Note that on Linux the same error exists (segmentation fault) and there is no way to prevent or fix it, and on Mac it's even worse: programs just shut down without even telling you a thing.

On the other hand yes, the "send a report" feature is useless, it makes sense when it's the program itself that makes it, like in Firefox.

 

[Ushario]

I really don't think you are 99% of the people. I have never seen a statistic that said "99% of the people who use computers don't know what the hell they're doing".

You now own a computer, take some time to learn how to use it.

That would be a rather patronising post were it not for the fact that there is a difference between not knowing what the hell you're doing and not having a deep technological understanding of computer programming.

I guarantee you 99% of PC users do not know what this kind of shit means:

That error is pretty straightforward.

The SQL Server Driver has attempted to convert a datetime (date and time values) to a float, which isn't possible, because there is no valid conversion.

As was said above me (just read it then) you can look up the error number and how to use the conversion function. Exactly how did you get this error? It doesn't seem like something you would manage without fiddling with some programming.

Edit: If your using Microsoft Access as another poster suggested then you really should be capable of 'troubleshooting' for yourself and fix this. Seriously this error just looks like you did something silly.

 

[Low Key]

No experience here but wasn't linux the most used OS in IT colleges and such? If i remember correctly, it was the single OS which you are allowed to mod to hell and backward without M$ secret police after you, the only condition being that said modder must not obtain any profit.


Dunno, just my 2 cents.

It is gaining popularity because it's free, not because it's easier to use than Windows. There is a fair amount you can do in Linux without the terminal if you have a GUI, but eventually if you want to use Linux to the fullest extent, you have to learn CLI. And it's completely ass backwards compared to DOS. The DOS command "dir" is "ls" in Linux, and so on.

 

[Tattaglia]

Piss off and read a book. Oh wait, you've pumped yourself full of toxins instead. Smart move, my tech-wise friend, smart move.

Excuse me?

What do you want me to say? That ranting on about something whilst intoxicated isn't a sure-fire way to receive some flak?

What do I want you to say?

Hmm, let me see, well given your abusive attitude and tone, how about nothing?

Hey, we both want each other to be quiet, so how about it? Hang on a second, you've got a flurry of critical posts to rebut. A pity, as you could be doing so much better with your time.

... reading a book, perhaps?

 

[teh_gunslinger]

[Also get this, computers weren't made for people who don't know how to use them. Same reason cars aren't made for people who can't drive. They either learn how to drive, or don't drive.

Again, a little patronising.

Most people don't learn how to re-wire the radio when it cuts out, or replace the engine when it dies, or put in a new windscreen if it breaks.

But if the windscreen inexplicably and suddenly shatters and the car was being used normally just to drive down the road then that would be a fault of the manufacturer.

We're talking mechanical errors here not basic operation.

Well, when I took my license I did learn basic maintenance and troubleshooting on a car. I can change and check oil, pump tyres, change lights, read dashboard output, change plug and stuff like that. Not anything complex but it gets me through the day. What I'm saying is: I mostly know when a problem is too big for me to fix and then call a mechanic.

People should be expected to actually know just a little to use a computer. It's an insanly complicated tool with loads and loads of code, hardware that need to work together, drivers, 3rd party apps and so forth. It never ceases to baffle me why people expect to be able to use it without any effort.

 

[Viruzzo]

Most programs crash because there is an issue which loops and progressively takes up more and more of your computers processing abilities, what Windows does is that it allows this to happen until the program can no longer run at which stage it crashes the program and gets rid of the issue. Linux OS's will Log the error and then skip over it, this prevents looping and crashes.

Just... No. Infinite loops are only one kind of bug in programs, and not even one of the most common, and there is not magic capability in Ubuntu to stop them: if the program is not solid, it will fail indipentently from the OS, and it's not the OS's fault.

Ubanta, a linux OS.
Linux, an OS 'producer'.
Distro: distributed software (basically)
Command line: What the user uses to run programs/code manually.

Ubuntu: a Linux distro, but it's an African word that means "humanity to others".
Linux: definitely not a "producer", it's an OS from which the Linux distros derive.
Distro: short for "Linux-based distribution".

that error is written in English I'm sick of the ones with:
driver failed 500000050055012434343527283000069586 / 1
and such, if I knew what those meant I'd shoot myself.

Those errors are not made for the users to understand, because there is nothing they could do to fix them. They are errors on the program's level that only the supplier of the software can fix. There is no way to explain to the user what that means.
The SQL error above though it's a different type of error: it's on execution level, and depends on the input the user has given (a query). Because of this, it's made understandable to someone who know how to make an SQL query.

 

[sirdanrhodes]

Windows 7, one of the easiest products ever created.

 

[The Youth Counselor]

I really don't think you are 99% of the people. I have never seen a statistic that said "99% of the people who use computers don't know what the hell they're doing".

You now own a computer, take some time to learn how to use it.

That would be a rather patronising post were it not for the fact that there is a difference between not knowing what the hell you're doing and not having a deep technological understanding of computer programming.

I guarantee you 99% of PC users do not know what this kind of shit means:

I can infer that it has something to do with SQL Server and it's because you did something in Microsoft Access.

From that error message, I recommend you learn what a FLOAT is and how to use the CONVERT function. And if you have any problems do a search for error message #257.

Error messages are supposed to tell how to fix them or at the least how to find out more information on it.

By that logic shouldn't Operating Systems by standard make that text highlight able so you can copy it and search information on the web or ask someone who knows what that means how to fix it?

No because the program to view the porno would be something like quicktime or flash, which are more like second party programs, If you were just streaming it then there is no way to get a virus as you are actually not downloading the video back to the HIV reference. You can't get HIV from watching someone have sex, but you can by actually doing it. Quicktime lets you view the file without downloading it. Now if you downloaded the video file, yeah it could have a virus if it was a ZIP file. But that's not a program, it's just a data file which can be downloaded and used on a OS if you have the right opening [b/]program[/b] such a quicktime. Obviously this is an oversimplification so hardcore computer jocks don't kill me.

For the most part you're right but the mentality that you can never get a virus if you don't download programs is an oversimplification. Malware can still slip in through cookies, and 9.99999% of people have accept cookies fully or partly. Then there are the problems of worms.

If there's a port and there's a will, there is a way.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

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As was said above me (just read it then) you can look up the error number and how to use the conversion function. Exactly how did you get this error? It doesn't seem like something you would manage without fiddling with some programming.

Edit: If your using Microsoft Access as another poster suggested then you really should be capable of 'troubleshooting' for yourself and fix this. Seriously this error just looks like you did something silly.

I didn't get that error, it was something I pulled off google images just to give an example of a complicated looking error message. I would never fuck with my computer's settings, I've heard the horror stories! I have no idea what it means, nor do I have any idea what a lot of error messages mean, especially the ones that are purely numeroical.

People seem to be missing my point which is simply that it would be a sound investment in thier future if Microsoft (being the largest developer used worldwide) were to try to make thier interface that little bit easier for the layman to get to grips with.

I'm not saying that computers aren't complicated, nor am I saying 'Grr fuck microsoft', I am just opining that they could probably, with some time and effort, secure thier popularity in the face of probable competition in the future by fixing up little niggles like these in thier software.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

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People should be expected to actually know just a little to use a computer. It's an insanly complicated tool with loads and loads of code, hardware that need to work together, drivers, 3rd party apps and so forth. It never ceases to baffle me why people expect to be able to use it without any effort.

I do agree with you that people should try to understand how something works before they try and use it (RTFM theory).

My guess as to why a lot of people feel they can jump headfirst into windows is because it is so widely used and is a feature of most households in the developed world. It's almost as common as a tv, stereo or washing machine, know what I mean?

A very big percentage of people are technologically a bit stupid (me included) and maybe if the system was just that little bit easier to get to grips with, (for example explaining errors more simply and clearly) it would therefore cater more to the majority of its users.

If you read the post above this one I think I made my point a little better than the last time.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Piss off and read a book. Oh wait, you've pumped yourself full of toxins instead. Smart move, my tech-wise friend, smart move.

Excuse me?

What do you want me to say? That ranting on about something whilst intoxicated isn't a sure-fire way to receive some flak?

What do I want you to say?

Hmm, let me see, well given your abusive attitude and tone, how about nothing?

Hey, we both want each other to be quiet, so how about it? Hang on a second, you've got a flurry of critical posts to rebut. A pity, as you could be doing so much better with your time.

... reading a book, perhaps?

Or maybe I could spend it in more constructive ways such as yourself, like posting on someone's thread for no apparent reason other than to throw half-baked abuse at them?

The 'flurry of critical posts' are reasonable and fair points in a discussion with some posters of a differing opinion to mine.

Your post said 'Piss off and read a book'.

I wouldn't consider that a constructive contribution to the thread and I'm sure most people here wouldn't either.

 

[Viruzzo]

A very big percentage of people are technologically a bit stupid (me included) and maybe if the system was just that little bit easier to get to grips with, (for example explaining errors more simply and clearly) it would therefore cater more to the majority of its users.

I understand what you say, but the thing is that Windows and MacOS are the most user-friendly OSs out there; they are improving, but there is nothing more accessible than those.
As for the errors as I said, there is no way to explain crashing errors to a non programmer, and no point either, since in most cases no one else than the original manufacturer could fix the error (not even an experience user). Errors that happen because of wrong "input" that could be fixed by the user are always explained, for example errors like missing files, wrong file names/urls, invalid values for input fields and things like these.

If it isn't infinite loops then what is it, I'd like to know (I'm still learning and your level of condescending gives me the impression you have a knowledge of computers), (thanks in advance)?

This is the most common error in C/C++ programs (that is to say, most of them): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault