Woman in China was forced to abort her baby by government officials.

[Arakasi]

If it weren't for the messed up social issues, I would agree with the One Child Policy.

It's quite a neat way of keeping population in control, the government only pays for your first child to be educated, etc, but you have to pay for the second.

Of course, this story is terrible, if its true as implied (the details are pretty sketchy).

 

[Hazy992]

I support the action. Now, if only we can apply this to the rest of the westernized countries, we'd hopefully delay overpopulation by at least 50 years.

Apart from the obvious issues of being in favour of forced abortions and this shit never flying in democratic nations, industrialised countries don't contribute all that much to population growth. In fact some industrialised countries' populations are actually decreasing.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

With the way the human population is growing everywhere and China's overcrowding, is it really a bad thing? It may be terrible for the mother but it's better than nature curbing out population for us IMO.

Considering how over-populated China is I really don't have an issue.

We should start doing stuff like this more often too many people on this world.
But Just on babies who cant survive outside.

I support the action. Now, if only we can apply this to the rest of the westernized countries, we'd hopefully delay overpopulation by at least 50 years.

At least someone is taking overpopulation seriously....

They are already severely overpopulated. I have no problem with them doing this.

Give me a break. As posters noted, this issue is 40 years old. We're tired of hearing the same old feminist tripe about how women are victimized.

Like trawlers trying to insist the seas aren't being stripped of all fish, feminists have to go into the nether regions of the world to find that odd fish, that odd example of female victimization, to counter the glaring reality of barren seas and male victimization the world over.

The fact is that the one-child law was necessary. China suffers from gross overpopulation even as is, like nothing anything in the West can compare to. The country is vast but most of it is mountains and desert. China has a quarter of the world's population but only a tenth the arable and habitable land.

It is nothing but bigotry and arrogance to pass judgement on another culture for having different values. Especially when we do so unequally...do we say the Chinese mothers who make the decision to kill their own daughters for want of a son are any more or less evil than the government that has good reason to insist they not contribute to overpopulation?

Never thought I'd see people who are genuinely in favour of forced abortion.....

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This is pretty old news. It's terrible, but it has been common knowledge for years.

I'm not in favor of it I just wont fight for it. I do not have the right to tell a country with the worst over-population problem in the world how to run their country. To tell them its wrong and to think of something else is arrogant. Like I said earlier I would say try adoption, but theres a high chance that baby would grow up to be a street child and thats damn near as bad.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

3. Look if I'm in that woman's shoes, I make damn sure I don't have more then one kid cause what the fuck did she think was going to happen? Yeah okay what the government did wasn't the right thing in least, but how the fuck do you live in that environment, try to have another kid and not think your going to catch some serious shit for it? This isn't blaming the victim, it's just common sense. I don't smoke weed and expect that if a cop catches me that he's not going to arrest me.

The woman in question is a FARMER. She had every right to have a second child by the way.

Apparently not according the government she lives under.

 

[Kroxile]

You cannot apply American... uh, "sensibilities" ... yeah, thats what we'll call it.. to everyone else.

Its their country, their rules, and we have no right to judge or interfere with them.

So if they start sending these "extra" children&all the daughters they don't want to camps to do slave labor until they die from poor treatment we should just pretend it's all just a long summer camp program?

Because everyone knows the best way to fix something is to pretend it isn't there, and hope it goes away.

We shouldn't "pretend" anything. Acknowledge it and move on. There is nothing to "fix".

We get all up in arms about "MUH FREDOMS!" whenever anyone anywhere talks about how we could do anything better (healthcare and education come to mind) or when 3rd world countries ***** about "Western Decadence". And you know what we call it when they try to do something about it? Terrorism.

So that's essentially what we'd be/are if/when we go around pushing our "freedoms" on anyone else in the world: Terrorists.

So live and let live, if its just soooo bad and awful the people over there will eventually revolt and things will change..

(Man, I used a lot of quotation marks)

 

[Queen Michael]

7 months pregnant at the time, I hear she was. Now, I'm pro-choice, but that's just murder.

 

[Aurora Firestorm]

I feel like China's problem with children isn't the one-child policy; it's the gender imbalance. I firmly believe that most of the world, at this point, really could use a population restriction mechanism. There are just too many of us living for too long. But put that in a culture that over-values men compared to women, and suddenly you get the issues they're having now with scads of boys and no girls and now it's really skewed.

Having children is starting to lose its status as a right, if you ask me. We need to start making it a privilege to have lots of kids. We don't need so many of them, that's for sure.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

You cannot apply American... uh, "sensibilities" ... yeah, thats what we'll call it.. to everyone else.

Its their country, their rules, and we have no right to judge or interfere with them.

So if they start sending these "extra" children&all the daughters they don't want to camps to do slave labor until they die from poor treatment we should just pretend it's all just a long summer camp program?

Because everyone knows the best way to fix something is to pretend it isn't there, and hope it goes away.

We shouldn't "pretend" anything. Acknowledge it and move on. There is nothing to "fix".

We get all up in arms about "MUH FREDOMS!" whenever anyone anywhere talks about how we could do anything better (healthcare and education come to mind) or when 3rd world countries ***** about "Western Decadence". And you know what we call it when they try to do something about it? Terrorism.

So that's essentially what we'd be/are if/when we go around pushing our "freedoms" on anyone else in the world: Terrorists.

So live and let live, if its just soooo bad and awful the people over there will eventually revolt and things will change..

(Man, I used a lot of quotation marks)

Well you only have 10 quotation marks. 5 if you only count pairs. That isn't an incredible amount, but probably above average.

Anyway, I understand what you mean. I am not asking for military action. To choose war only proves that one or both sides couldn't figure out any other way besides killing to solve a problem.

However, I refuse to give up and believe only violence will solve something, even if I can't see another solution. It is not a matter of being positive, but logic. There is always something everyone can do about a problem. Even if all we can do is talk about it, that is better than forgetting it, and gives us a chance to find a solution other than war.

 

[CityofTreez]

With the way the human population is growing everywhere and China's overcrowding, is it really a bad thing? It may be terrible for the mother but it's better than nature curbing out population for us IMO.

You can't be serious.

Forcing someone to have an abortion because the world *might* be overpopulated?

This forums makes me say "WTF" sometimes.

 

[crazyfills]

What part of ONE child policy are you failing to understand the law says you can have one child and one child ownly then you you have one child and one child ownly it's that bloody simple.

 

[Lethos]

With the way the human population is growing everywhere and China's overcrowding, is it really a bad thing? It may be terrible for the mother but it's better than nature curbing out population for us IMO.

You can't be serious.

Forcing someone to have an abortion because the world *might* be overpopulated?

This forums makes me say "WTF" sometimes.

Same...

I said it in another thread, but there seems to be a lot of very authoritarian people on these forums.

 

[Yan007]

3. Look if I'm in that woman's shoes, I make damn sure I don't have more then one kid cause what the fuck did she think was going to happen? Yeah okay what the government did wasn't the right thing in least, but how the fuck do you live in that environment, try to have another kid and not think your going to catch some serious shit for it? This isn't blaming the victim, it's just common sense. I don't smoke weed and expect that if a cop catches me that he's not going to arrest me.

The woman in question is a FARMER. She had every right to have a second child by the way.

Apparently not according the government she lives under.

The Chinese law states that farmers can have 2 children. kthnks.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

You cannot apply American... uh, "sensibilities" ... yeah, thats what we'll call it.. to everyone else.

Its their country, their rules, and we have no right to judge or interfere with them.

So if they start sending these "extra" children&all the daughters they don't want to camps to do slave labor until they die from poor treatment we should just pretend it's all just a long summer camp program?

Because everyone knows the best way to fix something is to pretend it isn't there, and hope it goes away.

Honestly that's pretty much what they do at the minute.

How do you think your clothes got made... or your TV, PC ect ect.

Sweatshops are a massive problem in China, and they're pretty much what you just described.

The sweatshops arn't compleatly what I described, but yes they are still very bad. The companies in China didn't put nets around the walls of their buildings strong enough to stop a "falling" person for no reason. Most workers in them are adults, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that some kids work in there. Or that some sweatshops have only kids in them.

As for the "extra" children&unwanted daughters, from what I have seen they don't seem intent on using them at all in their society. Not even as slaves. This may have changed a little over the years, I don't hear much about these things from China in my regular news, but even if its only half as bad as it was it's still a nightmare. The first news reports I saw about the all female orphanages in China....They will hunt me until the day I die. A lot of the girls that were in those places, were better off dead, and many didn't have to wait long. It tells you a lot when poeple can devalue the life of a person to the point where they are not even seen worth to keep as a slave.

I refuse to just forget about this problem. I don't care if all we can do is talk about it! If we keep talking about it, then maybe someone can come up with the solution, and that is really the least we can do.

 

[Axolotl]

-SNIP-

I was just about to write a long response to this post when I realised I may be misreading you.

So just a quick question: Is your complaint about the One Child Policy itself or the specific enforcement of it that's in the OP?

 

[likalaruku]

*China make a one-baby only policy.

*Male babies are preferred so female fetuses are aborted.

*Male to female population ratio is staggering.

*No one's getting laid; crime & sex trafficking skyrockets.

Am I exaggerating?

I did find an article that claimed 35 million Chinese men would never find a wife, unless she was illegally imported.

I've also read that China plans to ilegalize the ability to find out a baby's gender before it's born & to financially reward couples for choosing to have a female child.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

3. Look if I'm in that woman's shoes, I make damn sure I don't have more then one kid cause what the fuck did she think was going to happen? Yeah okay what the government did wasn't the right thing in least, but how the fuck do you live in that environment, try to have another kid and not think your going to catch some serious shit for it? This isn't blaming the victim, it's just common sense. I don't smoke weed and expect that if a cop catches me that he's not going to arrest me.

The woman in question is a FARMER. She had every right to have a second child by the way.

Apparently not according the government she lives under.

The Chinese law states that farmers can have 2 children. kthnks.

Then whats the excuse? Someone at the chinese law office made a big mistake? Preggers woman pointed to her 1st child and the military guys there just said "NOPE!" and punched her in the uterus?

 

[TehCookie]

With the way the human population is growing everywhere and China's overcrowding, is it really a bad thing? It may be terrible for the mother but it's better than nature curbing out population for us IMO.

You can't be serious.

Forcing someone to have an abortion because the world *might* be overpopulated?

This forums makes me say "WTF" sometimes.

I know it's like trying to stop pollution because it *might* cause a climate change. Who gives a fuck it's in the future, people need comfort now! I'm not saying abortion is good, but I find it better than starvation and plagues. Honestly I'd prefer free birth control and condoms.