Woman in China was forced to abort her baby by government officials.

[RJ 17]

Yeah, just wanted to point out that this is nothing new. China doesn't "want" to implement a 1 child policy, it already HAS implemented a 1 child policy. It's been going on for a pretty long time now. Barbaric as it is, they justify it by saying they're a nation of x billion people, population control is a necessity for the preservation of resources. I don't like such a policy, but that's their justification for it.

One would think your viewpoint may be different if your culture was shaped around multiple widespread famines that resulted in child slaves and children being openly used as a source of food.

Yeah, it might. But guess what? It wasn't. As such I'm well within my rights to say that I don't agree with their system, but I understand the justification for it.

So then what exactly would you do instead?

Well since China already has Big Government to take care of everything, have a state-sponsored foster program to offer adoptions to people in other countries while maintaining various incentives - other than forced abortions - for families to have no more than 1 child. Any child that doesn't get adopted gets sent abroad at a certain age (say, 18) to live and work for x years before they can come back. Not so much deporting your own people as it is sending them on a Quarian-style pilgramage.

That's not getting rid of the problem, that's moving it somewhere else.

Which is precisely why neither I nor you are qualified to be running a country. That doesn't mean, however, that I can't express my opinion on the matter.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

but honestly I think every country should be either a one child or two child(depending on population) law. As much as some people refuse to believe it, our planet has finite resources, it cannot sustain humans forever. We should be striving for an equilibrium for death/birth. The world cannot afford population explosions.

I'm glad you're not a policy maker. Shit like this is a big slap in the face. People should be allowed to have as many kids as the want, and be trusted with deciding if they can support said kids. The government has no business legislating anyone's reproductive tract.


Besides the population is more or less stablizing itself anyway. Birthrates in the west are dropping like rocks, and Japan's is so low that it needs to go up if the country wants to exist by the next millenium.

The falling birthrates in the MEDC's have serious downsides as well. The baby-boomers of the post war era, our most recent population boom, are all about to retire within the space of the next few years; and because our birth rates have taken a serious hit in the past few decades, we're not going to have enough young people coming taking over their former roles in the workplace to pay for all their pensions, nowhere near enough. Unless we do something about it soon, the current economic crisis will be nothing compared to the hard times that are going to hit us then. A population where the old and infirm are the majority who we can't in good conscience just abandon, but who we can't realistically support either. Forcing them to work longer won't work either, because it just clogs up the job market, making youth unemployment soar and leading to a mass exodus of disenfranchised young people, making the problem even worse.

I know this wasn't your main point, but I'm just saying that birthrates falling is far from the same thing as the population at large stabilizing. Our situation is just as fucked, only in the opposite way.

 

[Skitty_McFluffernut]

This is a terrible atrocity. I'm disturbed by many of your responses. I know the global population is a serious issue but the answer to population control is education and availability of contraception not a forced invasive medical procedure. (this is demonstrated in western societies, who's natality rates have plummeted and birth rates also tend to drop in developing regions that gain access to education and birth control). Everyone, no matter your age, race, or economic status has a right to the integrity of his or her body. No government agenda should justify violating one's right to their body.

Imagine YOUR government forcing you (or someone you loved) out of your home, taking you to a hospital and then making you undergo an invasive and painful medical procedure that you did not want or consent to. Imagine them telling you that in the name of population control that they had to sterilize you (and then after cutting off your balls they toss onto the bed next to you).

 

[Drizzitdude]

In china this is extremely common based on the sex of the child and their overpopulation. it sucks but really what do you want us to say besides...it sux?

 

[Dogstile]

Well now i know the next country on my nuclear bombing list.

But really? WTF China?

"That's awful. China shouldn't do that to its people. I know, i'll bomb the populace!" I get that it was probably a joke, but poor taste.

 

[Yan007]

They are becoming overpopulated, there is reason behind this, the problem is though about girls being killed or aborted because they tend to be less useful for physical labour

Ahahahahahaha! Wait, you're serious?! AHAHAHAHAHAH!

The reason why families want boys and not girls is plain and simple when you get down to it: If you have a boy he will have to take care of you when you get older and if you have a girl she is not expected to take care of you but of her husband's family instead.

For farmers and the like in China they need males because they are physically stronger
At any rate my point still stands, and you seem to have only reinforced my argument
But really, you should think about what you say before you say it, or maybe look over your text from time to time

Sorry bro, I live here. I LIVE HERE IN MAINLAND CHINA. Unlike you I know the farmers and their friends and people from many different classes here and as part of a Masters I'm working on I ask them questions all the time.

 

[w9496]

Things like this probably wouldn't happen if Chinas population wasn't so huge. It's not like they can have tons of kids, or else a famine would start.

I'm honestly a bit suprised they can hold a population that size as well as they are right now.

 

[geK0]

With the way the human population is growing everywhere and China's overcrowding, is it really a bad thing? It may be terrible for the mother but it's better than nature curbing out population for us IMO.

Considering how over-populated China is I really don't have an issue.

We should start doing stuff like this more often too many people on this world.
But Just on babies who cant survive outside.

I support the action. Now, if only we can apply this to the rest of the westernized countries, we'd hopefully delay overpopulation by at least 50 years.

At least someone is taking overpopulation seriously....

They are already severely overpopulated. I have no problem with them doing this.

Give me a break. As posters noted, this issue is 40 years old. We're tired of hearing the same old feminist tripe about how women are victimized.

Like trawlers trying to insist the seas aren't being stripped of all fish, feminists have to go into the nether regions of the world to find that odd fish, that odd example of female victimization, to counter the glaring reality of barren seas and male victimization the world over.

The fact is that the one-child law was necessary. China suffers from gross overpopulation even as is, like nothing anything in the West can compare to. The country is vast but most of it is mountains and desert. China has a quarter of the world's population but only a tenth the arable and habitable land.

It is nothing but bigotry and arrogance to pass judgement on another culture for having different values. Especially when we do so unequally...do we say the Chinese mothers who make the decision to kill their own daughters for want of a son are any more or less evil than the government that has good reason to insist they not contribute to overpopulation?

Never thought I'd see people who are genuinely in favour of forced abortion.....

OT:
This is pretty old news. It's terrible, but it has been common knowledge for years.

 

[applesandoranges]

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[DudeistBelieve]

1. Population control is a big problem we all keep ignoring.

2. China folks oppression is their own problem. If they don't like it they should over throw their government, clearly they just don't want freedom bad enough.

This is a terrible atrocity. I'm disturbed by many of your responses. I know the global population is a serious issue but the answer to population control is education and availability of contraception not a forced invasive medical procedure. (this is demonstrated in western societies, who's natality rates have plummeted and birth rates also tend to drop in developing regions that gain access to education and birth control). Everyone, no matter your age, race, or economic status has a right to the integrity of his or her body. No government agenda should justify violating one's right to their body.

Imagine YOUR government forcing you (or someone you loved) out of your home, taking you to a hospital and then making you undergo an invasive and painful medical procedure that you did not want or consent to. Imagine them telling you that in the name of population control that they had to sterilize you (and then after cutting off your balls they toss onto the bed next to you).

Nice dramatization. They wouldn't cut your balls off, it's called a vasectomy.

 

[marurder]

This story is nothing new of what goes on here. Government officials are widely regarded by the populace as being 'untouchable' as they have the relationships with other people who can make problems go away, in a variety of ways. This is one of those stories that managed to get reported on in English THEN transferred over into Chinese blogs and media.
I assure you, nothing will happen to those officials and this practice will still continue.

 

[RJ 17]

Yeah, just wanted to point out that this is nothing new. China doesn't "want" to implement a 1 child policy, it already HAS implemented a 1 child policy. It's been going on for a pretty long time now. Barbaric as it is, they justify it by saying they're a nation of x billion people, population control is a necessity for the preservation of resources. I don't like such a policy, but that's their justification for it.

One would think your viewpoint may be different if your culture was shaped around multiple widespread famines that resulted in child slaves and children being openly used as a source of food.

Yeah, it might. But guess what? It wasn't. As such I'm well within my rights to say that I don't agree with their system, but I understand the justification for it.

So then what exactly would you do instead?

Well since China already has Big Government to take care of everything, have a state-sponsored foster program to offer adoptions to people in other countries while maintaining various incentives - other than forced abortions - for families to have no more than 1 child. Any child that doesn't get adopted gets sent abroad at a certain age (say, 18) to live and work for x years before they can come back. Not so much deporting your own people as it is sending them on a Quarian-style pilgramage.

That's not getting rid of the problem, that's moving it somewhere else.

Which is precisely why neither I nor you are qualified to be running a country. That doesn't mean, however, that I can't express my opinion on the matter.

And just what makes you think i'm unqualified? I clearly see a difference between what is right and what is necessary.

So run for office and tell people what to do with their lives since you clearly know better. Get back to me with how that turns out when you're done.

 

[viranimus]

What do I think? I think its a good thing, they need to do it and they simply arent doing it enough.

Simply put we are long overdue for thinning the herd and when we see that practically every major problem that we as a species face (War, Hunger, poverty, crime, pollution, drugs etc) can either directly or indirectly be linked back to the fact that 7 billion people on this planet is about 6 billion too many.

We as a species need to get over our qualms with proper stewardship of our population because at the rate were going it looks like were literally going to fuck our way into extinction.

 

[zehydra]

With the way the human population is growing everywhere and China's overcrowding, is it really a bad thing? It may be terrible for the mother but it's better than nature curbing out population for us IMO.

Actually yes, because the population's abortions are lopsided. That is, most abortions are happening for female fetuses.

Equality issues aside, this is setting up China due for a massive generational crisis further down the road (that is, there will be very few women compared to men, so much fewer births for that generation)

The population is going to plummet, and so will their economy, and so will the US economy (since it is unfortunately tied to the Chinese economy).

A failing US economy AND Chinese economy's gonna hurt real bad for the rest of the world too.

 

[lacktheknack]

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UNACCEPTABLE. ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.

That said, I've been aware of this for years. Thanks for reminding me, OP, I was having a nice evening.