Woman in China was forced to abort her baby by government officials.

[spectrenihlus]

What are you going to do, the government of China are evil and frankly I wish that they would be treated as such by reporters.

 

[Ravesy]

but honestly I think every country should be either a one child or two child(depending on population) law. As much as some people refuse to believe it, our planet has finite resources, it cannot sustain humans forever. We should be striving for an equilibrium for death/birth. The world cannot afford population explosions.

I'm glad you're not a policy maker. Shit like this is a big slap in the face. People should be allowed to have as many kids as the want, and be trusted with deciding if they can support said kids. The government has no business legislating anyone's reproductive tract.


Besides the population is more or less stablizing itself anyway. Birthrates in the west are dropping like rocks, and Japan's is so low that it needs to go up if the country wants to exist by the next millenium.

"be trusted with deciding if they can support said kids"?!? Christ half the population cant be trusted to look after a damn goldfish, let alone deciding how many kids they can support.

 

[spectrenihlus]

The 7 month thing was a dick move, but honestly I think every country should be either a one child or two child(depending on population) law. As much as some people refuse to believe it, our planet has finite resources, it cannot sustain humans forever. We should be striving for an equilibrium for death/birth. The world cannot afford population explosions.

And you are going to enforce this how?

 

[Vanitas likes Bubbles]

Why would they do this? Come on... China is well known for its great human rights history.

 

[bafrali]

Well now i know the next country on my nuclear bombing list.

But really? WTF China?

 

[Ziame]

but honestly I think every country should be either a one child or two child(depending on population) law. As much as some people refuse to believe it, our planet has finite resources, it cannot sustain humans forever. We should be striving for an equilibrium for death/birth. The world cannot afford population explosions.

I'm glad you're not a policy maker. Shit like this is a big slap in the face. People should be allowed to have as many kids as the want, and be trusted with deciding if they can support said kids. The government has no business legislating anyone's reproductive tract.


Besides the population is more or less stablizing itself anyway. Birthrates in the west are dropping like rocks, and Japan's is so low that it needs to go up if the country wants to exist by the next millenium.

"be trusted with deciding if they can support said kids"?!? Christ half the population cant be trusted to look after a damn goldfish, let alone deciding how many kids they can support.

LOL so much this.

There should be exams for parents or something, I mean, handling kids is important shit, not everyone can do that properly.

 

[Ravesy]

"be trusted with deciding if they can support said kids"?!? Christ half the population cant be trusted to look after a damn goldfish, let alone deciding how many kids they can support.

And I suppose your moral compass was handed down to you by Jesus himself, giving you the right to determine what is right and wrong for millions of people you don't even know the names of?


This is one thing the government has no business doing. Governments are for securing borders and maintaining infrastructure, not legislating people's wombs.


Besides, what are you gonna do when someone tries for their one alotted kid and biology conspires to give them triplets?

I don?t claim to be a politician, and have no intention of campaigning or trying to convince others to share my view, it?s just my opinion. Without getting too much into it I would presume the law in the imaginary country I ruled would be that if you have triplets or more then that is fine, it just uses up all of your allocated sprog credits.... I wouldn?t go as far as feeding the third one to the lions.

 

[Axolotl]

With the way the human population is growing everywhere and China's overcrowding, is it really a bad thing? It may be terrible for the mother but it's better than nature curbing out population for us IMO.

China isn't overcrowded, areas are but the country has tons of space. I think about 90% of the people live on 10% of the land. That or something close to it.

Except overpopulation isn't a matter of space, it's a matter of food production and China has always had a huge problem with famines. You can't just move the population to the emptier regions, they still need to feed them which historically they've been unable to do reliably. Now granted China has never really had a truly modern agricultural system but even with GM crops they still have to feed a population of well over a billion, without the policy it would likely be closer to two billion. So while the One Child Policy is very unpleasant and has some very unfortunate consequences but to say China doesn't have overpopulation problems is simply not true.

 

[aestu]

Give me a break. As posters noted, this issue is 40 years old. We're tired of hearing the same old feminist tripe about how women are victimized.

Like trawlers trying to insist the seas aren't being stripped of all fish, feminists have to go into the nether regions of the world to find that odd fish, that odd example of female victimization, to counter the glaring reality of barren seas and male victimization the world over.

The fact is that the one-child law was necessary. China suffers from gross overpopulation even as is, like nothing anything in the West can compare to. The country is vast but most of it is mountains and desert. China has a quarter of the world's population but only a tenth the arable and habitable land.

It is nothing but bigotry and arrogance to pass judgement on another culture for having different values. Especially when we do so unequally...do we say the Chinese mothers who make the decision to kill their own daughters for want of a son are any more or less evil than the government that has good reason to insist they not contribute to overpopulation?

 

[Kroxile]

You cannot apply American... uh, "sensibilities" ... yeah, thats what we'll call it.. to everyone else.

Its their country, their rules, and we have no right to judge or interfere with them.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16247543

In what is considered a dickish move by the rest of the world and normal by their standards.
A woman in China was forced to abort her second child by government officials because they want to implement that one child policy law. Now let me get this straight, this is not the first time they did this barbaric thing but this is the first that was widely known.

So what do you think?
Also China why u so China?

Ok, this is going to be very weird for me to actually defend China for a second, but I will. The one-child policy, while ethically uncomfortable, was nothing less than a necessity. It was introduced in the 70's and only now is their population growth starting to level out because of it. Do you want to know how many more people it is estimated would live in China today if they had allowed everyone to have 2 children instead, just 1 more per family? The entire population of the USA. The entire population of the USA, hundreds of millions of people added on to the over 1 billion that they already have. Even for a country of China's size and wealth, this population explosion would have been catastrophic. Problems it has caused, such as the imbalance of boys to girls in the population, are not really the fault of the Chinese government, but rather outdated traditions and customs.

Is the one-child policy a nice thought for those of us living in the sheltered West? No. Are the ways it is sometimes implemented not very pretty? Definitely. But they really have no choice, and will continue to have no choice for a few decades to come yet.

 

[Bertylicious]

It kind of is worth remembering though that China is really, really, really big and what some sketchy government practices in one region are not reflective of the whole. Saying that, the lack of transparency & authoratarian nature are anathema to many in the western world but that is a discussion for the political forum.

 

[aestu]

Some of these comments disturb me .. I understand the law is the law- but people are allowed to question whether if that law is really an aspect to society or just a ridiculous one that only inflicts communities in a negative manner. And this law, is wrong to me.

I don't understand how China can do that- forcing a woman to abort a baby. Regardless if it was intended or not, pregnancies do happen and it's not fully under people's control. Imagine if USA came up with a law that if you didn't have enough money to support a baby, you would have to abort it.

You are trying to sound morally superior but really what you are saying is bigoted and wrong.

Abortion MAKES pregnancy controllable...as does contraception...that is why those things exist. So from the start your claims here are dishonest and contrary to fact.

You say this law is wrong. To you. To you, an American woman with no concept of the challenges that China faces nor the values and beliefs of Chinese women who are not like you and do not share your beliefs. Passing judgement on a culture different than your own that you do not understand and apparently do not wish to understand in the service of your own willful ignorance (a mentality I highlighted in the previous paragraph) is the definition of bigotry.

Because of the law made, should we accept it and scold every mother for having a baby while being poor anyhow? I say no.

This is ignorance and entitlement.

Did it ever occur to you that some cultures do not have what we take for granted? That some cultures do not want for nothing? That for some people, some cultures, there just isn't enough land/space/food/money to go around?

You here in America are used to somebody, somebody, somebody - Mom & Dad, men, the government, whomever - being able to pick up the bill, because they have the means, because society has the means. Not everyone has it so easy...and perhaps you should appreciate that before leaping to judgement.

 

[Axolotl]

Some of these comments disturb me .. I understand the law is the law- but people are allowed to question whether if that law is really an aspect to society or just a ridiculous one that only inflicts communities in a negative manner. And this law, is wrong to me.

I don't understand how China can do that- forcing a woman to abort a baby. Regardless if it was intended or not, pregnancies do happen and it's not fully under people's control. Imagine if USA came up with a law that if you didn't have enough money to support a baby, you would have to abort it. Because of the law made, should we accept it and scold every mother for having a baby while being poor anyhow? I say no.

That's because you live in a country that has never suffered from a serious famine. You can say that this policy is wrong but would prefer a poilicy that reduced mothers into selling their children into slavery to survive? Or even selling their children as food? Because that's the level China has been reduced too repeatedly throughout their history by famines. Nobodies saying it isn't horrific what's happened but from the perspective of the Chinese Government the alernative is far worse.

 

[aestu]

It kind of is worth remembering though that China is really, really, really big and what some sketchy government practices in one region are not reflective of the whole. Saying that, the lack of transparency & authoratarian nature are anathema to many in the western world but that is a discussion for the political forum.

You are making the assumption this behavior is politically motivated. It's not. Modern China is Chinese first, everything else second.

To assume that another culture behaves just as your own would - shares its values - and to pass judgement accordingly is bigoted.

 

[Phisi]

To be honest, I have not yet come to a conclusion as to whether this is ethical. Should the child be born then she is imposing the child's existence on society, something china really could do without however similarly they are imposing their will on the women, even though she has signed the social contract present by living in society yet I don't think that might be the case as she most probably doesn't have the option to leave or ability to make any decisions regarding the social contract. So really I am to indecisive to care.

 

[Kaymish]

so what that's nothing i have heard stories that because the official policy of the Chinese government is that a baby is not alive until its first breath the doctor at a maternity hospital will jam a needle of formaldehyde into the head of a baby when its crowning

also i have no sympathy for anyone involved here she KNEW what was going to happen she knew there was a 1 child policy and she got pregnant anyway and either hid it or did nothing for so long and she got found out and the government of china did what it says it will do