Woman in China was forced to abort her baby by government officials.

[Bertylicious]

I am not certain that word means what you think it means:

big·ot (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

And that is what you are saying. You are passing judgment on the Chinese people and their government based on your attitudes as a Western woman. Your judgement is inherently partial and biased against those who differ. Hence, you are a bigot.

No I didn't.

Aestu, are you alright? You seem... tense.

 

[Vrach]

You know this has been going on since the 70s?

It's been widely known for decades, this isn't the first time it has gotten attention. I think it's the first time you have taken an interest in it.

Seriously, this is old hat. I'm pretty sure China is better now than it was in the cold war era.

^This. Inhumane? Not really, it'd only be inhumane if abortion was somehow deemed wrong by the world, which it isn't. Population control in situations as extreme as China is a far better reason than "lol, I got drunk and had a quick fuck at a party without a condom" and since we don't condemn the abortion, but rather the sequence of events that led up to it, it's only fair we use the same logic in the first example as we do in the second. The law is there and the woman was (or should have been) aware of it.

Is it pretty? No. But population control is very necessary over there. Solution after the first child is pretty easy, we have plenty of birth control in this day and age, from simple condoms to a vasectomy.

What I'm interested in is what happens when a woman's pregnant with twins (or n-tuplets). Can't exactly control those.

 

[Yan007]

What I'm interested in is what happens when a woman's pregnant with twins (or n-tuplets). Can't exactly control those.

I have 3 pairs of twins as my students. Apparently, when women have twins they usually have to abort one but I guess they give some leeway or ask for a cheaper fine when it happens. Mostly everything here is up to luck, connections and how the people above you on the food chain feel that day.

 

[aestu]

Aestu, are you alright? You seem... tense.

If I were to say that you seem to have PMS it would be bigoted. It would also be at odds with civil and relevant discourse.

But as I am not a bigot, and know how to argue a position without having to resort to digs, I would not say such things.

You, on the other hand...are proving my point...that your position is driven by bigotry and hypocrisy.

 

[Dresos]

China is facing overpopulation and have even made a law about this, it may seem harsh but is there any other solution to the problem?

 

[aestu]

And you think those three billion won't end up dying in a war anyway?

Disease has always been a greater cause of death than war. That is even true today.

It is more likely that overpopulation will be corrected by outbreaks of plague and dysentery than by war. This is all the more true in China's own history, and even today. Case study: SARS.

 

[Woodsey]

You know this has been going on since the 70s?

It's been widely known for decades, this isn't the first time it has gotten attention. I think it's the first time you have taken an interest in it.

Seriously, this is old hat. I'm pretty sure China is better now than it was in the cold war era.

^This. Inhumane? Not really, it'd only be inhumane if abortion was somehow deemed wrong by the world, which it isn't. Population control in situations as extreme as China is a far better reason than "lol, I got drunk and had a quick fuck at a party without a condom" and since we don't condemn the abortion, but rather the sequence of events that led up to it, it's only fair we use the same logic in the first example as we do in the second. The law is there and the woman was (or should have been) aware of it.

Is it pretty? No. But population control is very necessary over there. Solution after the first child is pretty easy, we have plenty of birth control in this day and age, from simple condoms to a vasectomy.

What I'm interested in is what happens when a woman's pregnant with twins (or n-tuplets). Can't exactly control those.

I think you're confused about why abortion is advocated in the first place: women's control over their own bodies. So yes, getting rid of an early-stages pregnancy because you didn't wear a condom for a jiffy up the park is acceptable, because that's your choice over what is still your own body. What's not considered acceptable is forcibly ending a 7-month pregnancy, because it's not the woman's choice (and obviously others would argue over how late in the pregnancy it is by that point).

Besides which, unless you're going to sit there and argue that it's kind or compassionate, or a personal and caring way to do things, there's not really any grounds to argue that it isn't inhumane.

Likewise, the number of "oh well, that's the law" responses is both hilarious and depressing. No doubt that's why you were all soaking wet over the prospect of SOPA. Because once a government says dem de rulez, it's A-OK, am I right?

Different cultures can still be subjected to criticism. It seems this one has even been condemned by the country's national government (although how much of that is just because someone took notice of this instance is suspect).

 

[Random Fella]

Maybe because it's their law and they have every right to uphold it?
They are becoming overpopulated, there is reason behind this, the problem is though about girls being killed or aborted because they tend to be less useful for physical labour
If you break the rules, the problem needs to be fixed, and this is how they fix this problem.

 

[aestu]

I think you're confused about why abortion is advocated in the first place: women's control over their own bodies.

Another human being is not your own body.

The issue is not her body but the body she is creating for everyone else to feed, clothe, and house.

 

[Woodsey]

I think you're confused about why abortion is advocated in the first place: women's control over their own bodies.

Another human being is not your own body.

The issue is not her body but the body she is creating for everyone else to feed, clothe, and house.

He was talking about why abortion is advocated in the rest of the world, and that's why we advocate it in the rest of the world.

 

[Woodsey]

I think you're confused about why abortion is advocated in the first place: women's control over their own bodies.

Another human being is not your own body.

The issue is not her body but the body she is creating for everyone else to feed, clothe, and house.

He was talking about why abortion is advocated in the rest of the world, and that's why we advocate it in the rest of the world.

It doesn't make it any less incorrect if we're going to be pedantic about it.

What doesn't make what less incorrect if we're pedantic about what?

 

[Woodsey]

I think you're confused about why abortion is advocated in the first place: women's control over their own bodies.

Another human being is not your own body.

The issue is not her body but the body she is creating for everyone else to feed, clothe, and house.

He was talking about why abortion is advocated in the rest of the world, and that's why we advocate it in the rest of the world.

It doesn't make it any less incorrect if we're going to be pedantic about it.

What doesn't make what less incorrect if we're pedantic about what?

Well the concept of "My body my rights" Is only half correct. Technically speaking, you can't lay claim to your future child's body as though it's your property any more than you can your grandfather's corpse.

Well, yeah, you can, given that it's a group of half-developed cells in your body that's going to have to exit your body.

Anyway, the other guy took a line of my post and addressed it out of context; the thrust of my comment was that pro-choice in the rest of the world exists because it's ultimately a matter of women's rights. The guy I quoted was saying it would be hypocritical to condemn them for this when we already accept abortion - I was saying that was stupid. We don't accept abortions no matter what.