Woman lops off man?s nose for harassing her

[Eggsnham]

I would just like to stop for a second and point out one thing.
You, are in Ireland... Think about that for a second before you go calling other places backwards or a joke.
Going by your statements chances are you know absolutely nothing about their culture other then the occasional snippet like this that you see yet you, being in fucking Ireland of all places, decide to run your mouth at how backwards these people are.

Just stop and think for a second about how the rest of the world perceives your people.

Seriously people, this over the top, mindless, arrogant and fucking stupid attitude of insulting an entire country just because of a few incidents that you happen to hear occurred in this place disgusts me.
Furthermore it annoys me since as a westerner the arrogance, stupidity and overwhelming intolerance of such people pisses me off since I inevitably get lumped in with them.
Then these fools have the fucking gall to go on about how accepting they are of others because they support gay marriage.

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You hate intolerance, ignorance and general arrogance; so you insult Ireland?

I know what you're getting at here, and I have to say; you're stupid.

There's a big ol' line between what's socially acceptable in your region and should be left alone, and what's going against basic human rights.

Most Islamic based cultures cross that line. While there are many good, hard working people who don't deserve to have the "Asshole" title pegged onto them, there are just as many people who do. (These go for everybody mind you) I think that if you consider women inferior to men, you're an asshole. If you have hatred and desire to kill based on race, religion, ethnicity etc.; you're an asshole. If you form organizations with the sole intention of causing terror and oppressing a region; you're an asshole. If you join said organization; you're an asshole.

I'm against the war(s) in the Middle East, because it's wasting human life (on both sides), important resources, it's a stupid war and at this point we're not doing much of anything.

I'm not trying to justify war by saying that there are a lot of assholes in the Middle East, there are a lot of assholes wherever you go; but what I'm saying is that you're not ignorant for recognizing obvious flaw.

There are many good people in those countries; like I said. But again; there's a lot of assholes there too.

I don't care if you're from a certain place in the world, I don't care if your skin is a different color than mine, I don't care if you like people from the same gender, I don't care if you have a third arm growing out of your fucking skull; but if you try and tell me that women are inferior, that someone else is inferior for any reason, or that your slaughter of innocents is justified by religion; there's going to be a debate.

This again goes for all people. Black, White, Green, whatever. Even though I centered on a specific region, I still realize the problems that are going on closer to home.

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

"Civilized" is spelled with a Z.

Not in Britain. Here it is spelt "civilised". Americanisations of words have a "Z" over "S" thing going on. You might've noticed I used "spelt" rather than "spelled". Britain likes its irregular verbs. Yup, that's all I posted on this topic to say.

Well alright, I'll say a bit more.

The title makes it look like the man's nose was harassing the woman, not the man.

 

[Theistic]

To Eggsnham, again: He's not insulting Ireland. He's making a point that calling the Middle East backwards based on presumptions is just as stupid as when the same is done to Ireland, and the poster should know better than to assume everything is as popular culture dictates.
Oh, and not all human rights aren't incontrovertible. In fact, some of them are privileges rather than rights (how the fuck is a paid vacation a human right, if I might ask?) Every single country in the world manages to violate some human right at regular intervals. That includes the West.

Note: I don't know you, your opinions or anything else about you, so feel free to disregard anything I say by proving my assumption of your personality wrong. In fact, I'd love it if you aren't a racist prick. Don't take anything I say personally, I'm just used to using ad hominem discussion tactics (TV does that to you).

 

[oooooooooooooooooooooooooo]

This is true, however "There is no such thing as European, Asian, American and African culture." Is not. I'll use Asia as an example to show what I mean. Japan and China have two distinct histories, cultures, etc that are unique to those nations. However, there are many qualitative similarities between them in areas such as diet, folklore, and religion that are radically different in other parts of the world, Europe for instance. Buddhism is widely practiced in many countries in Asia, thus none of them can stake an exclusive claim on it, but sparsely practiced in Europe. Buddhist philosophy would be an example of Asian culture; something that is shared by many Asian nations.

Eastern collectivism vs European and American individualism, African tribalism vs American multiculturalism, even American Islam vs Middle Eastern or African Islam are all examples of regional culture that contain smaller national cultures, which are not the same, but have systematic similarities.

To a large extent I agree, however I do think there are to many contradictions between cultures on a single continent to put them all under one label.

My real point, however, was that you cannot honestly just say that you simply enjoy European culture. There are hundreds of European cultures, all with their varying, and sometimes contradictory features. It is a statement so vague that it is almost meaningless (though no offense is meant to the poster of the statement).

EDIT: I think its also interesting to note the Eastern European and Western Asian cultures overlap heavily. I would like to go further with this point, but I think it would inappropriate to do so in a thread on a different topic.

 

[Eggsnham]

I find it extremely amusing that she cut off his nose. That snippet of urdu doesn't mean "you have dishounoured us." At least not literally. Literally translated, it means: "you have had our nose cut off."

I certainly don't think it's justified. If a female acquantice of mine started spreading rumors we've been bumping uglies and I'm a total manwhore, would I be justified in corporeal punishment? No, of course not.
Her father is a dumb bastard. Parents should never, ever punish their children before absolutely sure of guilt.
That said, the West is very knee-jerk about physical punishment. If she's just been slapped around once, it's just stupid rather than abhorrent. I've been smacked by both my father and mother quite a few times and I'm better off for it. If she's been abused, then the police are obliged to do something (it's punishable by law in Pakistan, you backwards bigoted fuckwads. Stop being prejudiced assholes about Islamic countries when you know jack-shit). Of course they won't, because the entire system over there is corrupt and heretically hypocritical, but I digress. That's one thing people get right about Pakistan.

In the Middle Eastern culture, that's a bad thing to do. Also in the Middle Eastern culture (primarily influenced by Islam), it's acceptable for a man to beat a woman for just about anything.

So uh, I think she was justified in lopping off the dudes' nose, but it doesn't matter what I think, she'll likely be executed for acting out in violence against a man.

Yup, I'm glad I was born in the states. Even though we have many problems of our own, and even though I'm a male, it would still suck to live in a Middle Eastern country, methinks.

You, sir, are extremely racist. Or at the very least an idiot. Depends on your definition of racist, really.
I live in Pakistan about 1/5th of the year, and the only thing wrong is everyone being an idiot or corrupt. Or both.
There are problems in the Middle East. Most problems are due to actions outlawed in Islam.

Honestly, I'd prefer to live in Pakistan because of people such as you.

Note: I'm sorry if I offend anyone with this post, and I am aware of a certain level of double-standard. It's only being used for impact. Regardless, I do not regret stereotyping people when these stereotypes frequently come into effect half of the places I go.

PS: Judas Iscariot, you are a bloody ninja. But I suppose I should thank you for expressing my feelings perfectly about Demented Teddy, so you saved me the trouble

No, I'm not racist, I didn't bring race into this at all. And I probably am ignorant about the topic at hand, but I'm still not saying that all people in the middle east are like this, and I'm not saying that all countries in that region practice such things. If you ask me, I'd rather be ignorant somewhere in Europe by the way, at least then I wouldn't be compared to a hillbilly (not that you did, just generally speaking).

Sure, I'd still be ignorant, but I wouldn't be compared to someone with next to no education.

Anyways, again, I'm not saying that all people are like that in every country in that region, and I don't immediately dislike someone if they're from a country in this region.

At the risk of digging myself a deeper hole, I'm gonna stop typing now.

Also, I still don't take back my comment about not wanting to live in a Middle Eastern country.

Regardless of whether or not the people in *Insert country here* are assholes; it's too hot for me. I'd rather be in a nice cold temperate.

 

[Satin6T]

He Shouldn't Have Been So Nosey.
LOL

bahahahahahahahahaha
goddamn it
bad puns ftw

 

[Stoic raptor]

God damn.
Cant we just comment on the peoples actions, and not their religion or their country or their race or how their gender caused it or stereotypes?
Jeez, the Escapist deserves better.

On Topic: He deserves it, but she probably shouldn't have cut off his nose.

 

[Theistic]

Well I'm glad you're more civil than I am.
The reason I said that being racist depends on your definition of it, is that many places animosity towards certain religions (such as Judaism) is considered racism as well. Which makes sense, when Islam is basically the red line that ties all Middle Eastern cultures (although they still vary greatly, Islam has a bigger impact than I have ever seen a religion have on any region).

And well yeah, it's sort of hot in Pakistan, but you get used to it. It's actually kind of refreshing to go there while the winter rages here in Scandinavia.

 

[Eggsnham]

Guy had it coming, I don't know why the girls father didn't go and do it himself though.

Because the girls' father had believed the rumors of her bumping genitals with the other guy.

In the Middle Eastern culture, that's a bad thing to do. Also in the Middle Eastern culture (primarily influenced by Islam), it's acceptable for a man to beat a woman for just about anything. keep spreading those lies

So uh, I think she was justified in lopping off the dudes' nose, but it doesn't matter what I think, she'll likely be executed for acting out in violence against a man. let me guess, by stoning?

Yup, I'm glad I was born in the states. Even though we have many problems of our own, and even though I'm a male, it would still suck to live in a Middle Eastern country, methinks.

I should have explained that I knew it wasn't like that in every country in the middle east. By the way; I know that. But can you honestly deny that there are a fair amount of countries in the middle east where things like that are practiced daily (no, not stoning, by the way, I wasn't even thinking of that when I thought of execution).

Whatever, anyways, now that I'm done trying to explain my reasoning to people who are obviously going to be offended and flame me/hit the report button/both options, I'm going to go do something else.

Also, an ignorant move on me, I didn't bother to find out which country she was from and for that and any other blatant and offensive things I probably did; I'm sorry.

 

[Stoic raptor]

God damn.
Can't we comment on peoples actions without commenting on their religion or their country or their stereotypes or their culture?
The Escapist deserves better than that.

On Topic: He did deserve to lose his nose, but she probably shouldn't have done that.

 

[Akalistos]

And people wonder why I refuse to tolorate Islam's backwards "culture"....

Is there any culture apart from one of fascism you tolerate?

Not getting at you; I hold no love for the Middle-Easts xenophobic culture either.

OT: Well, at least she never cut his privates off.

Happen once in Germany i think. They keep the women in jail for 6 months to see if they could reattach Penis together. Depending on the success of the operation, it would be aggravated assault or aggravated assault & permanently disabling the victim. Meaning, if his dong couldn't be reattach, she would still be in jail.

 

[Android2137]

Okay, for those who may have missed the similarity between this incident and a certain cover of a popular "news" magazine recently, I'm going to point it out. This is just a bit of a reversal here, in fact, it's an interesting reversal in a lot of ways, and I find a couple of things interesting here.

The first thing I find interesting is that even though the man never actually harmed her, and she caused permanent damage to him, he's still the bad guy. If the situation was reversed, would people be saying it was justified? Or would the mere SUGGESTION that it was justified be called sexist?

Second, all we hear is from her. We never hear from the guy, we're not getting the whole story. For all we know, she started it. We don't know, and the information is not given. She responded incorrectly to the situation out of all proportion. This fact alone suggests that she's not altogether stable.

Here's the problem I'm having with the modern sex dynamics (I avoid the term 'gender' as I've had people argue with me over what that means). In the narrative of sex politics, men are always the villains, women are always the pure angels incapable of doing any wrong. This has been repeated ad nauseum for at least twenty years, and I'm calling it now. The problem with the modern view of the sexes is that it states that women are better than men, but men dominate women. This is nonsensical, and stupid. If women were in every way superior to men as we are led to believe (or at least equal in every way) how did men dominate them? I mean, the greater physical strength of men? This can't exist (according to the modern view of the sexes) because women are equal in every respect to men. For men to dominate women to the degree that they supposedly do, they would have to have some inherent advantage. The entire theory upon which the feminist theory of history is flawed, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.

Until this post, I was thinking that the guy deserved it. But Foolishman brings up a fair point. There's a double standard. There always has been (although it's kind of flip-flopped over here since the feminist movement). The only circumstance where it's justice to cut off one's nose is if that person cut off yours first. The only fair punishment would have been for the man to be slandered and humiliated to the same degree (although the double standard over there would have made that very difficult). So how should she have dealt with it? Well, truthfully, I don't know. Slandered, abused, and with no one to turn to, I can see why she snapped like that. But it's still not right.

 

[Nouw]

And here comes the Insanity Plea...

 

[cainx10a]

Some backwards place called Punjab.

No.
I was implying that it's a joke of a culture.

I would just like to stop for a second and point out one thing.
You, are in Ireland... Think about that for a second before you go calling other places backwards or a joke.
Going by your statements chances are you know absolutely nothing about their culture other then the occasional snippet like this that you see yet you, being in fucking Ireland of all places, decide to run your mouth at how backwards these people are.

Just stop and think for a second about how the rest of the world perceives your people.

Seriously people, this over the top, mindless, arrogant and fucking stupid attitude of insulting an entire country just because of a few incidents that you happen to hear occurred in this place disgusts me.
Furthermore it annoys me since as a westerner the arrogance, stupidity and overwhelming intolerance of such people pisses me off since I inevitably get lumped in with them.
Then these fools have the fucking gall to go on about how accepting they are of others because they support gay marriage.

"Just stop and think for a second about how the rest of the world perceives your people."
Ireland is a very popular country as a matter of interest.

Anyway:
If you think it's only a "few incidents" why don't you go over there and see for yourself?
The backwards thinking of Islamic influence has damaged the advancement of humanity as a whole.
Females are the property of males, anything that goes against their religion must be exterminated with severe force, women recieve no education and are percieved as objects, there's days when women are not allowed outside by law, their government is run by their religion, their people come over to western countries with malice as their motivation, the poor, the elderly, the disadvantaged recieve no care from the state, the case mentioned in the OP decribes how their families work, they think oil companies are western friendly people are after "selling their souls" to the west for fuck sake!
Islam is a threat, plain and simple.

Ha, gotta love that one.

"Females are the property of males": Yet, the face of Islam is that of women, considering muslim men are demonized by people like yourself, Muslims women have been more active in defending their religion and their role in the muslim/islamic household (as slaves lololololololololol, just kidding)

"anything that goes against their religion must be exterminated with severe force": In the ole days, Muslims and Jews lived together despite the animosity that exist today, and Christianity was rolfstomping everyone who didn't have baby jesus in their heart. Nowadays, it's really only extremists that want to "exterminate" anything that goes against their religion, and do a pretty good job at killing their OWN people most of the time.

"there's days when women are not allowed outside by law": Yes, because they are chained inside of the kitchen. Obviously.

"their government is run by their religion": Iraq/Iran had democratically elected government, then stuff happened with the help of big daddy. Afghanistan had only known war. Don't know much about Pakistan or Saudi Arabia politics, although Saudi Arabia is the only one that seems to have religion being a much bigger issue.


"the poor, the elderly, the disadvantaged recieve no care from the state": Zakat, it's a funny word, and I probably didn't spell it properly. It's part of Islam to take care of those people.

"the case mentioned in the OP decribes how their families work": yes, because every muslim dad is a wife beater, and a child abuser, every muslim son is a potential woman abuser, every daughter is an abused girl that must be rescued by western culture, and every grandfather is OBVIOUSLY, a paedophile


"they think oil companies are western friendly people are after "selling their souls" to the west": They are not western friendly? They fucking BELONG to the west.

Islam is not a threat, but ignorants going around spouting any bullshit they think is fact is a bigger threat.

 

[cainx10a]

The women defend it and put up with it due to indocrination
Not because their children are MUSLIM who will be subjected to the same bile that you are spewing on these forums

The western world grew up, the Islamic world did not
The western world grew up at the expense of others, exploitation here, some meddling in others countries politics. I am not putting the blame entirely on the west for being responsible for the chaos in the Middle-East, but they are to blame, and by the west, I mean any country setting up puppet governments who likes $$$ at the expense of their people


They are allowed out on other days....with a male relative escorting them of course
Someone mentioned there are 150 million muslims in Indonesia, is it like that there?



Religion and the state are not seperate there
There? Where? Pakistan? Saudi Arabia? Turkey? Morocco? Algeria? Iraq? Iran? Indonesia?

Religions say a lot of things

And considering according to your expert understanding of Islam, those filthy muzzies have to do anything Pedobear-chan tell them to do.

You're taking what I said out of context, disregarding that, the vast amjority of their families do act very much like the case in the OP
Vast majority? Proof? Stop talking out of your ass.

I made a mistake on the last one, I meant to erase "oil companies" and replace it with "western friendly people"
That doesn't make sense, hell I barely have any knowledge about how Oil Companies operate, or their take on how to acquire middle-eastern oil, but why would you erase "oil companies" to replace it with "western friendly people"



Last thing I want to say, do you have any muslim friend? Do you know any muslim families? Are you a subscriber to KKK gazette?

Because I can tell you one thing, I have/had muslim friends and close relation with their families, most are of indian descent, some of Saudi and they are fucking normal people, and have accomplished more than I will be able to do in this lifetime. And no, they weren't raised on "western values".