Woman murdered for rejecting a man, another gets her throat slashed for the same.

[WindKnight]

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/10/mother_of_three_killed_in_detroit_after_rejecting_a_man_s_advances.html

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/10/woman_s_throat_slashed_in_queens_after_turning_down_date.html?wpisrc=mostpopular

(rubs forehead) Ok, its depressingly not new that this happens far too often, but all kinds of horrible that we've had two examples now in a matter of days.

All I have going through my head is the saying 'A mans worst fear is being laughed at - a woman's worst fear is being murdered'

EDIT:

That conclusion is pretty terrible when you consider the fact that men usually make up about 70 to 80 percent of homicide victims worldwide...

That conclusion is a reference to a quote from writer Margret Atwood when she was talking about what men fear from women vs what women fear from men. So its pretty relevant to the discussion.

Gonna copy and paste this in here as I should have made the context of the saying/quote clearer to explain why it had been in my thoughts regarding these events.

 

[carnex]

I must say, your conclusion disturbs me.

There are many stories of women killing men over trivial stuff. Should I be scared for my life? Well I refuse to be scared, my life has too much to offer for me to be scared of 1:1.000.000 pr less chance of getting killed. Heck, I take those chances every day on the street.

People like that exist, they have always existed and will exist in future that I can see with any foresight. I can't do anything about other than applying common sense to my behavior.

 

[CaptainChip]

That conclusion is pretty terrible when you consider the fact that men usually make up about 70 to 80 percent of homicide victims worldwide...

 

[Muspelheim]

Dreadful business, as always... Some people are just too sodding fragile to be anywhere around people. Bedlam is where they ought to be.

Now... There is a tendency to bring up male victims of gender rolls and related violence as a point of "YEAH BUT MEN HAVE IT HARD TOO SOMETIMES SO SHUT UP!", and it's always such a dumb idea. It's not solving the problem, just trying to put it back out of sight. I fear that the conclusion in the OP is going too far in the other direction.

It is also a good reminder that you should never treat being turned down as a personal insult, which there is an appaling tendency of. But I imagine people like that simply don't reflect on their own behaviour.

 

[redlemon]

(rubs forehead) Ok, its depressingly not new that this happens far too often, but all kinds of horrible that we've had two examples now in a matter of days.

All I have going through my head is the saying 'A mans worst fear is being laughed at - a woman's worst fear is being murdered'

Not really. You think it happens more often than it really does because the media is more likely to report it.

 

[mecegirl]

That conclusion is pretty terrible when you consider the fact that men usually make up about 70 to 80 percent of homicide victims worldwide...

That conclusion is a reference to a quote from writer Margret Atwood when she was talking about what men fear from women vs what women fear from men. So its pretty relevant to the discussion.

 

[dragoongfa]

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/10/mother_of_three_killed_in_detroit_after_rejecting_a_man_s_advances.html

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/10/woman_s_throat_slashed_in_queens_after_turning_down_date.html?wpisrc=mostpopular

(rubs forehead) Ok, its depressingly not new that this happens far too often, but all kinds of horrible that we've had two examples now in a matter of days.

All I have going through my head is the saying 'A mans worst fear is being laughed at - a woman's worst fear is being murdered'

http://www.poodwaddle.com/worldclock.swf

According to the world clock there have been more than 1000 murders the past 24 hours in the whole world, the grand total for the last 365 days (correction, it's from January 2014, not 365 days ago) is around 331.000, which is depressing when the total deaths due to war are 141.000.

Two psychopaths killed two women, a heinous and deplorable act but in the grand scale of things part of the course for the human nature.

Trying to paint these two murders as an alarming trend because they happened days apart is pushing it...

 

[xaszatm]

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/10/mother_of_three_killed_in_detroit_after_rejecting_a_man_s_advances.html

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/10/woman_s_throat_slashed_in_queens_after_turning_down_date.html?wpisrc=mostpopular

(rubs forehead) Ok, its depressingly not new that this happens far too often, but all kinds of horrible that we've had two examples now in a matter of days.

All I have going through my head is the saying 'A mans worst fear is being laughed at - a woman's worst fear is being murdered'

http://www.poodwaddle.com/worldclock.swf

According to the world clock there have been more than 1000 murders the past 24 hours in the whole world, the grand total for the last 365 days (correction, it's from January 2014, not 365 days ago) is around 331.000, which is depressing when the total deaths due to war are 141.000.

Two psychopaths killed two women, a heinous and deplorable act but in the grand scale of things part of the course for the human nature.

Trying to paint these two murders as an alarming trend because they happened days apart is pushing it...

Except that it IS a trend. These types of murders happen like clockwork. Look at all the local news stories that have this and you will see that it happens with alarming regularity, not just a once or twice a year thing.

OT: That is tragic.

 

[dragoongfa]

Except that it IS a trend. These types of murders happen like clockwork. Look at all the local news stories that have this and you will see that it happens with alarming regularity, not just a once or twice a year thing.

OT: That is tragic.

Being reported in the news is not an indication of a trend, news media will always report the kind of crimes that will draw attention and viewership not every crime that happened in the jurisdiction of the said media.

Trend is when an event becomes the prevailing tendency. A trend does not happen when certain kinds of events are overly reported by the media because they attract increased viewership and comments when compared with other events.

EDIT: In this case the trend is the skewed reporting for enhanced viewership.

 

[carnex]

That conclusion is pretty terrible when you consider the fact that men usually make up about 70 to 80 percent of homicide victims worldwide...

That conclusion is a reference to a quote from writer Margret Atwood when she was talking about what men fear from women vs what women fear from men. So its pretty relevant to the discussion.

I don't get it. What I read is that if one person draws incorrect conclusions than it's OK to quote that as conclusions since you are not actually the one making it?

As I said, that conclusion disturbs me. What has happened is terrible, and those people are not fit to be in general society to say the least, but that conclusion has no merits.

 

[xaszatm]

Except that it IS a trend. These types of murders happen like clockwork. Look at all the local news stories that have this and you will see that it happens with alarming regularity, not just a once or twice a year thing.

OT: That is tragic.

Being reported in the news is not an indication of a trend, news media will always report the kind of crimes that will draw attention and viewership not every crime that happened in the jurisdiction of the said media.

Trend is when an event becomes the prevailing tendency. A trend does not happen when certain kinds of events are overly reported by the media because they attract increased viewership and comments when compared with other events.

EDIT: In this case the trend is the skewed reporting for enhanced viewership.

Except I'm not talking about about news on an international/national level. When stories like these reaches there, it's usually for ratings. I'm talking about news on a local level in city newspapers. The types of stories that don't always make the front page of the local news and instead is in the criminal/justice section of the news media. When you collect these types of stories, stories that don't reach the mainstream audience, you notice that these types of murders happen often and with regularity. And these are just the stories in America/Western Europe and not the other cases of this happening in other countries. It is a trend.

So it DOES happen with prevailing tendency to the point where most of these cases will be ignored by the national/international news organizations unless certain situations allow it to garner more ratings and attention.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

All I have going through my head is the saying 'A mans worst fear is being laughed at - a woman's worst fear is being murdered'

Providing context for that quote would've helped you avoid the backlash you're going to get.

As a guy, I most certainly fear getting murdered. That's scary! Much more scary than getting laughed at. Naturally, that wasn't at all what Atwood was referring to, but if post stuff like that here on the Angry Young Men forum you're going to get shouted at.

 

[Theodora]

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/10/mother_of_three_killed_in_detroit_after_rejecting_a_man_s_advances.html

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/10/woman_s_throat_slashed_in_queens_after_turning_down_date.html?wpisrc=mostpopular

(rubs forehead) Ok, its depressingly not new that this happens far too often, but all kinds of horrible that we've had two examples now in a matter of days.

All I have going through my head is the saying 'A mans worst fear is being laughed at - a woman's worst fear is being murdered'

I think the United States especially has a severe mental illness problem.

I've personally never seen a whole lot of "You rejected me... DIE" murders. However one should look heavily on why this is a peculiarly happening IN ONE COUNTRY. Personally I think some of the reasons are lack luster mental health services. High pressure and stressful economic circumstances and for males, a lack of positive male identity or high pressure to conform to gender norms. One being that the mark of a successful male is success with women. If that is unattainable this might be too much for the weakest links in our society.

And since the US has no tradition of honorable suicide, the weakest links don't just break, they take others with them.

 

[redlemon]

Except I'm not talking about about news on an international/national level. When stories like these reaches there, it's usually for ratings. I'm talking about news on a local level in city newspapers. The types of stories that don't always make the front page of the local news and instead is in the criminal/justice section of the news media. When you collect these types of stories, stories that don't reach the mainstream audience, you notice that these types of murders happen often and with regularity. And these are just the stories in America/Western Europe and not the other cases of this happening in other countries. It is a trend.

You think your local city newspapers aren't trying to get ratings as well?

 

[xaszatm]

Except I'm not talking about about news on an international/national level. When stories like these reaches there, it's usually for ratings. I'm talking about news on a local level in city newspapers. The types of stories that don't always make the front page of the local news and instead is in the criminal/justice section of the news media. When you collect these types of stories, stories that don't reach the mainstream audience, you notice that these types of murders happen often and with regularity. And these are just the stories in America/Western Europe and not the other cases of this happening in other countries. It is a trend.

You think your local city newspapers aren't trying to get ratings as well?

Oh, naturally they are. But these articles aren't on the front page. Heck, they aren't even the front page of the criminal/justice sections of the newspapers/online news media. They get reported in a section in the middle of the paper or you have to dig through the online newspaper to find it.

And even if this is all just an elaborate attempt to get ratings, the sheer number of murders that happen that gets reported should be an indicator that it is a trend. At this point I'm starting to wonder what the purpose of your reply is.

 

[dragoongfa]

Except I'm not talking about about news on an international/national level. When stories like these reaches there, it's usually for ratings. I'm talking about news on a local level in city newspapers. The types of stories that don't always make the front page of the local news and instead is in the criminal/justice section of the news media. When you collect these types of stories, stories that don't reach the mainstream audience, you notice that these types of murders happen often and with regularity. And these are just the stories in America/Western Europe and not the other cases of this happening in other countries. It is a trend.

So it DOES happen with prevailing tendency to the point where most of these cases will be ignored by the national/international news organizations unless certain situations allow it to garner more ratings and attention.

I am sorry, I am Greek and such stuff tends to be overly reported here I should have expected that with the murder rate of the USA such reports would be too common for attention grabbing.

I will reiterate my argument:

Take the total number of yearly murders committed in the USA: 14,827 with 2012 data.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Can you tell me how many of those murders where done by psychopaths who were rejected by their victims?

You say that such crimes happen often and regularly, I agree that such crimes happen, I don't agree with those crimes being a prevalent tendency (a trend). To put it bluntly even if the number of such murders for 2012 were 100 then they would still be less than 1% of the total number of US murders.

US males do not have a tendency to physically assault women when they are rejected, it is socially and culturally reprehensible. Because of this fact it is impossible for such murders to trend in the USA, Europe or any culturally related nation.

If you want to see nations that such murders are trending then look at nations that it is socially and religiously acceptable to abuse women:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Turkey

Crime against women
See also: Crime in Turkey and Pippa Bacca

The murders of women in Turkey increased from 66 in 2002 to 953 in the first seven months of 2009.[14] In the Eastern and Southeastern Anatolia regions in particular, women face domestic violence, forced marriages, and honor killings.[15] Şefkat-Der, a Turkish non-governmental organization, has suggested granting licensed, tax-free guns to women as a way to combat domestic violence.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_women_in_India

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Pakistan

Crimes against women

The violence against women in Pakistan is a major problem. Crime against women is increasing in Pakistan due to weak laws providing protection to women. There is no available data for crime against women but some organisations collect monthly data about crime against women including Samaaj Tv (Social TV) on montly basis. Feminists and women's groups in Pakistan have criticised the Pakistani government and its leaders for whitewashing the persecution of women and trying to suppress information about their plight in the international arena.[71] Skepticism and biased attitudes against women's complaints of violence are common among prosecutors, police officers and medicolegal doctors in Pakistan.[25][62] According to reports from 1990s, such complaints often face delayed/mishandled processing and inadequate/improper investigations.[25]

TL;DR

Such murders do happen. They are not trending in the USA or the rest of the civilized world.

 

[Thaluikhain]

US males do not have a tendency to physically assault women when they are rejected, it is socially and culturally reprehensible.

Nominally, yes, but there's always an excuse as to why most individual cases can be justified, or at least overlooked.

Now, sure, it reaching the point of murder is unusual, but varying degrees of physical assaults are fairly commonplace.

 

[dragoongfa]

US males do not have a tendency to physically assault women when they are rejected, it is socially and culturally reprehensible.

Nominally, yes, but there's always an excuse as to why most individual cases can be justified, or at least overlooked.

Now, sure, it reaching the point of murder is unusual, but varying degrees of physical assaults are fairly commonplace.

Excuses are a dime a dozen when it comes to physical assaults and any crime in general. If such physical assaults are commonplace in the US then the victims should report them to the police and let the justice system short things out.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Excuses are a dime a dozen when it comes to physical assaults and any crime in general. If such physical assaults are commonplace in the US then the victims should report them to the police and let the justice system short things out.

Many people don't have that much faith in the justice system, and not for no reason.