Woman robs man on side of road, Two "samaritans" help her because she's a woman

[infinity_turtles]

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Watch this video. Denying the pain of another group just because it's not been as worse is not cool.

Fair warning, using the Amazing Atheist as a source isn't going to help others perceptions of you and your point. Don't this as an attack on said points though, as this is coming from someone who's pretty concerned about the direction modern feminism is taking and it's affects on our legal and social system, and blahtity blah blah making a futile attempt to cut off misunderstandings on the internet.

 

[Eri]

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Watch this video. Denying the pain of another group just because it's not been as worse is not cool.

Fair warning, using the Amazing Atheist as a source isn't going to help others perceptions of you and your point. Don't this as an attack on said points though, as this is coming from someone who's pretty concerned about the direction modern feminism is taking and it's affects on our legal and social system, and blahtity blah blah making a futile attempt to cut off misunderstandings on the internet.

I'll take that under advisement. I guess I have had people assume since I agree with one thing a person says, I clearly must agree with all of it. A stupid assumption, but one that's been made a lot.

So I'll just restate it now, for record purposes, I don't agree with every thing the guy says about everything.

 

[axlryder]

Letting the woman get away was foolish. If there are two people involved in an altercation, both of them should be present when the police arrive. That should be the case regardless of who was at fault. This was a product of social prejudice and ignorance. That said, I can't fault the men too harshly for a number of reasons.

 

[Phasmal]

Letting the woman get away was foolish. If there are two people involved in an altercation, both of them should be present when the police arrive. That should be the case regardless of who was at fault. This was a product of social prejudice and ignorance. That said, I can't fault the men too harshly for a number of reasons.

Agree in that when shit goes down everyone should wait for the police.
Also, man and woman intervened not two men - I dont know why people keep getting that wrong.

 

[CCountZero]

How about not assuming because there's a man and a woman fighting, that the man must have caused it?

The article said that the man did cause it. At least, the part where they were in a physical tussle.

Wait, what?!?

If she didn't start this, why would the man have handed anything over? That just doesn't make a grain of sense.

He got mugged. That means there was a threat involved. He then defended himself and his possessions, in what appears to be a non-lethal manner.

The bottom line here is that two people saw a tussle, and tried to stop it.
That part is good.

They then let one of the people involved in said tussle leave the scene, before the cops could be called in.
That part is bad.

The lesson to the victim in this situation, is that he would be better off in a concealed-carry/Castle state, because then he could have shot the woman in the face and he'd never have lost his stuff.

Not that I'd advise that, or that I condone some of the gun laws in the states. Some of those are crazy. But that's what he's walking away with.

 

[Phasmal]

Letting the woman get away was foolish. If there are two people involved in an altercation, both of them should be present when the police arrive. That should be the case regardless of who was at fault. This was a product of social prejudice and ignorance. That said, I can't fault the men too harshly for a number of reasons.

Agree in that when shit goes down everyone should wait for the police.
Also, man and woman intervened not two men - I dont know why people keep getting that wrong.

Sexism.

Man, this just got so meta I need to have a sit down.

Totally, people assume people jumping in to save a lady have to be men!

Sexismception!
I kid, I kid.

 

[Lyri]

Agree in that when shit goes down everyone should wait for the police.
Also, man and woman intervened not two men - I dont know why people keep getting that wrong.

They're reading the Gawker article and not the article they link too as a source, the link op provided was just a bare bones summery and he assumed it was Male/Male and posted the misinformation.
I didn't realise there was a second article with more facts until you posted the correct version, if OP changed link then so would the comments.

She could take it, but I'd imagine it wouldn't be very pleasant. Super Hero sex hurts my brain to think about.

It never hurts to think about Betty Ross.

....Don't look at me like that.

 

[Fappy]

Agree in that when shit goes down everyone should wait for the police.
Also, man and woman intervened not two men - I dont know why people keep getting that wrong.

They're reading the Gawker article and not the article they link too as a source, the link op provided was just a bare bones summery and he assumed it was Male/Male and posted the misinformation.
I didn't realise there was a second article with more facts until you posted the correct version, if OP changed link then so would the comments.

She could take it, but I'd imagine it wouldn't be very pleasant. Super Hero sex hurts my brain to think about.

It never hurts to think about Betty Ross.

....Don't look at me like that.

Are we talking about Red She Hulk or Green She Hulk? Red = Betty Ross, Green = Jennifer Walters (Bruce's cousin).

Actually... why don't we just use both?

 

[00slash00]

see, this is why chivalry is bad (one of several reasons). maybe one day people will stop looking at women as weak and frail creatures, and start looking at them as people

I agree in the sense that chivalry as it's often practiced is wrong. You just need to remove the gender specific clauses out of chivalry and it turns rather good.

Hold the door open for a lady or a man who's coming up. Defend the non-guilty weak from the strong who would abuse their strength, rather then 'jump to the defense of the lady'. Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

Again, much of the stuff people claim is 'bad' (religion, chivalry, science i.e.) are not actually 'bad', it usually just means they disagree with some part of it, and the concepts themselves are usually fairly good or at least neutral.

well ive always felt that chivalry is gender specific. my understanding has always been that if a man holds open and helps carry shit for men and women, equally, then he is being polite and considerate. if he does that exclusively or primarily for women, then he is being chivalrous

 

[Lyri]

Are we talking about Red She Hulk or Green She Hulk? Red = Betty Ross, Green = Jennifer Walters (Bruce's cousin).

Actually... why don't we just use both?

I was originally using both, but Red She Hulk just gives me good vibrations.

I also stumbled across Red She Hulk porn with Hulk and The Thing, I laughed at the relevance.

 

[Fappy]

Are we talking about Red She Hulk or Green She Hulk? Red = Betty Ross, Green = Jennifer Walters (Bruce's cousin).

Actually... why don't we just use both?

I was originally using both, but Red She Hulk just gives me good vibrations.

I also stumbled across Red She Hulk porn with Hulk and The Thing, I laughed at the relevance.

I always wondered what kind of things they do between issues D:

 

[Eri]

he assumed it was Male/Male and posted the misinformation.

This is patently false. As well as nothing I posted was factually wrong. People read into it what they want to read into it. And it's ironically a bit of a good example. This guy thought it out.

This is what happens when people assume things.

Letting the woman get away was foolish. If there are two people involved in an altercation, both of them should be present when the police arrive. That should be the case regardless of who was at fault. This was a product of social prejudice and ignorance. That said, I can't fault the men too harshly for a number of reasons.

Agree in that when shit goes down everyone should wait for the police.
Also, man and woman intervened not two men - I dont know why people keep getting that wrong.

Sexism.

Man, this just got so meta I need to have a sit down.

In all seriousness, it's because it's not mentioned in the original post, the gender of the two motorist, that is, and so people just assume it was two men who stopped.

So yeah, sexism.

 

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It's not sexism to assume the man started it because statistics say most violent crime is done by men.

'Girlfriend mode' is sexism even though the statistics say that most gamers are men and the girlfriends/wives don't play games or suck at them.

Brilliant.

 

[The Almighty Aardvark]

Please memorise that every time you feel like comparing pain/suffering to others based on gender,race,etc.

The problem is that when men complain so loudly about occasionally experiencing what it's like to be a woman (i.e. subject to random violence, disempowerment, and misrepresentation), they are the ones who implicitly "underestimate [another's] pain" and "treat anyone's hardship like its nothing." When you act with incredible indignation and rage and hurt because you have to endure what women endure every day, then there is a clear implication that somehow it is worse for you simply because you are a man. If you don't frame every possible discussion regarding the problems you may face due to your sex with, "Despite the obvious benefits my sex grants me in every social, economic, and political situation, and despite the fact that I suffer due to my gender far less than women ever do, this particular situation shows me what the disempowered live like every day" then you are denying another's pain and treating another's hardship like its nothing."

I cannot make this more clear; when a man complains that he is occasionally harassed, exploited, or in this situation, subject to violence due to his gender, what they are really complaining is that they had to experience for one day what it is like for all women every day. Remember that.

A good example of this is prison. Even in a high-security correctional facility, where inmates live their lives with a perpetual fear of violence and sexual exploitation, a man is less likely to be raped than a woman is EVERY DAY ON THE OUTSIDE. Prison life is better for men than regular life is for women when it comes to safety from violent crime, sexual or not. Think about that. The horror and fear that men experience going to prison, where our culture tells us that rape and humiliation and abuse are only inches away at any time, is not as great as the horror and fear that most women have walking home at night.

Here's a more personal story: Have you ever been abused? I have. I had a girlfriend who on many occasions was physically violent, not to mention verbally abusive and cruel. I thought she might actually seriously hurt me. This is a true story. I went to a domestic abuse counseling place in town and guess what? They couldn't do anything for me because they had over 40 women lined up behind their already full to capacity regular schedules. They were just telling people to call 911 because so many women were being beaten and abused that they couldn't physically help anyone else, male or female. There were just too many. And it was right there that I realized that I had gotten a glimpse, through my completely unacceptable and horrible and wrong abuse, into the fear and shame and hurt that literally hundreds of women in my town knew as facts of their daily lives. In the end, in the most basic terms, I wasn't being abused as a man so much as I was being forced to experience life as a woman. And I'll never forget that.

So please, don't treat another's pain like it means nothing by complaining when you have to experience one tenth of it.

There's a difference between treating someone's pain like it's nothing and not acknowledging that someone else has it worse around every turn. There's always someone who has a worse problem than you, that doesn't mean that whatever your problem is shouldn't be recognized.

And please stop generalizing. In your first sentence you are treating all men as a collective that always underestimates and ignores female gender issues. Or at the very least you are blaming the entire gender for what some members of it do. As an example, I DON'T belittle the problems that women have, there's a very clear problem with how they're treated. Simultaneously, I recognize that there are also problems with how men are treated by society. Even if it's not comparable (I'm not going to even touch the subject of whether or not it is) that doesn't change the fact that there are still problems, and pointing to a group that you think has it worse does nothing to help that.

So yeah, please don't tell me what I can't do because of how "Men" treat this issue.

Also, "have it better off in every social, political and economic situation"?. While you could easily argue most, saying all is just absurd.

 

[Mr Binary]

It was all under bad judgement on the part of the two motorists. Statistics, as much as I love them, can't be relied on in live situations. I personally feel they were wrong to assume that the man was the problem. I'm not going to get into any debates about sexism, or which gender has it harder because it's all up in the air, it was just a wrong call.