Woman robs man on side of road, Two "samaritans" help her because she's a woman

[peruvianskys]

Please memorise that every time you feel like comparing pain/suffering to others based on gender,race,etc.

The problem is that when men complain so loudly about occasionally experiencing what it's like to be a woman (i.e. subject to random violence, disempowerment, and misrepresentation), they are the ones who implicitly "underestimate [another's] pain" and "treat anyone's hardship like its nothing." When you act with incredible indignation and rage and hurt because you have to endure what women endure every day, then there is a clear implication that somehow it is worse for you simply because you are a man. If you don't frame every possible discussion regarding the problems you may face due to your sex with, "Despite the obvious benefits my sex grants me in every social, economic, and political situation, and despite the fact that I suffer due to my gender far less than women ever do, this particular situation shows me what the disempowered live like every day" then you are denying another's pain and treating another's hardship like its nothing."

I cannot make this more clear; when a man complains that he is occasionally harassed, exploited, or in this situation, subject to violence due to his gender, what they are really complaining is that they had to experience for one day what it is like for all women every day. Remember that.

A good example of this is prison. Even in a high-security correctional facility, where inmates live their lives with a perpetual fear of violence and sexual exploitation, a man is less likely to be raped than a woman is EVERY DAY ON THE OUTSIDE. Prison life is better for men than regular life is for women when it comes to safety from violent crime, sexual or not. Think about that. The horror and fear that men experience going to prison, where our culture tells us that rape and humiliation and abuse are only inches away at any time, is not as great as the horror and fear that most women have walking home at night.

Here's a more personal story: Have you ever been abused? I have. I had a girlfriend who on many occasions was physically violent, not to mention verbally abusive and cruel. I thought she might actually seriously hurt me. This is a true story. I went to a domestic abuse counseling place in town and guess what? They couldn't do anything for me because they had over 40 women lined up behind their already full to capacity regular schedules. They were just telling people to call 911 because so many women were being beaten and abused that they couldn't physically help anyone else, male or female. There were just too many. And it was right there that I realized that I had gotten a glimpse, through my completely unacceptable and horrible and wrong abuse, into the fear and shame and hurt that literally hundreds of women in my town knew as facts of their daily lives. In the end, in the most basic terms, I wasn't being abused as a man so much as I was being forced to experience life as a woman. And I'll never forget that.

So please, don't treat another's pain like it means nothing by complaining when you have to experience one tenth of it.

 

[Fappy]

So Marvel Comics influenced the dawn of Japanese tentacle porn? Why am I not surprised?

Well lets look at the Fantastic Four shall we?

Mr Fantastic - Can elongate any part of his body.
The Thing - Walking, talking and hard as a rock 24/7.
The Human Torch - Hottest member of the Fantastic Four, womanizer and likes to set things alight. Probably into burning wax.
The Invisible Women - Is invisible because she doesn't want to get molested by the other 3 most likely.
Also uses her powers to secretly check out the others before writing in her diary her feelings.

So there you go.

And when you factor in their two kids Franklin and Val... oh Christ, NO! NOOOOOOOO-----

Oh God. Why would you even say that. WHY?!

Sometimes my thoughts just bleed out of my brain. It is a curse D:

 

[Eri]

I've never seen so many people defend others who are quite literally accessories to street robbery.

They've actually literally been released and will have no charges pressed against them.

Literally.

Yeah. Whether they get charged or not, they still helped during a crime.

By the way, with all the sexism talk can we at least get the genders of those involved right?

The two people who stopped to help were A MAN AND A WOMAN.
Not TWO MEN.

Guilty as charged, I'm sorry.

But still, why did they assume he was robbing her and not the other way around?

Well, that's rather the crux of the original post isn't it? To the original poster, it's because of sexism, in this case meaning the sexist view that men are, in a situation without context, to be the ones who are committing the crime or being the aggressor.

That is to say, that the original poster seemed to be trying to say that the reason it happened was because the man and woman who intervened assumed, by reason of prejudice and sexism, that the man was the one assaulting the woman in order to steal something from her (or worse), and acted according to that belief.

In a way it's an over-reaching issue of the womens rights movement. That's not to say it's bad, it's just a result of it. We're taught that women have historically been the victim, and the human brain is wired to go 'if this has happened before, it must be happening now unless something comes along and proves to me it isn't going to be this way again'. On top of 'women are normally the victim' attitude, you get the not-bad assumption that 'the strong should defend the weak', though that's a whole can of worms in and of itself.

Although in this case 'strong' simply means non-victim, and weak means 'victim'. So you have a underlying current of 'We (the strong) should help the victim (the weak)", and we've been taught that women are usually the victim. It's not a hard leap to see a situation like this on the street and assume the woman is the victim, which kicks off 'we need to protect the victim' which leads to, well, what happened.

This is very well said and what I'm getting at.

 

[Lyri]

And when you factor in their two kids Franklin and Val... oh Christ, NO! NOOOOOOOO-----

The family photo album must be a sight to behold.

Mr Grimm, can I feel your texture?
Of course you can little Franklin.
Mmm, so smooth!

 

[Hagi]

Whatever our differences may be, they are caused by what we are now.

What we are now is two genders with two different biological and psychological builds. I think we agree, we just went about weirdly and ended up talking about unrelated things because... internet.

Don't worry about it, not your fault.

Evolutionary psychology is just a peeve of mine. One of those things I vehemently dismiss as truth.

Considering the frankly massive changes to cattle, dogs, birds, horses etc. due to human-imposed environments I think it's a bit silly to believe those environments haven't had an equally massive impact on ourselves, even if it's not as easily seen.

But yeah... let's just agree to agree before I sidetrack us again...

 

[Fappy]

And when you factor in their two kids Franklin and Val... oh Christ, NO! NOOOOOOOO-----

The family photo album must be a sight to behold.

Mr Grimm, can I feel your texture?
Of course you can little Franklin.
Mmm, so smooth!

I wonder if the Thing ever considered using his dick as a weapon.

 

[Eri]

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Watch this video. Denying the pain of another group just because it's not been as worse is not cool.

 

[Lyri]

I wonder if the Thing ever considered using his dick as a weapon.

Do you think he could coin the term "raging hard on" or do you think he'd let it slide and pass it to the Hulk?

 

[DRes82]

I cannot make this more clear; when a man complains that he is occasionally harassed, exploited, or in this situation, subject to violence due to his gender, what they are really complaining is that they had to experience for one day what it is like for all women every day. Remember that.

I've not read a more ridiculous exaggeration since I've posted here.

What country do you live in that women are subject to violence, harassment, and exploitation on a daily basis? Not in any stable, civilized country, that is certain.

Your statement embodies what is wrong with the feminist community. Not the entire community, just the crazy extremists. I can only assume that your views are biased based on personal experience, in which case I am sorry for you.

 

[Fappy]

I wonder if the Thing ever considered using his dick as a weapon.

Do you think he could coin the term "raging hard on" or do you think he'd let it slide and pass it to the Hulk?

He should probably give it to the Hulk. He already yells, "It's Clobbern' Time!" when he beats off.

 

[Lieju]

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So, what would you do if you saw a man attacking a woman? Or let's say you see a man attacking another man. Would you consider stopping the act?

Alright what would I do... well first I would stumble upon the scene and see this.
What do I see?

-Well I see a man attempting to restrain a woman, (I highly doubt he was physically assaulting her in the means of punching, slapping, etc*)
-I see a briefcase (most likly being tugged at by both at some point indicating it's of importance to both.)

You know what I would do? I would simply walk up, likely to go unnoticed since they are tunnel visioning their attacker, and go for one of two things.

See if there is opportunity to snatch briefcase myself and make it apparent I am staying right where I am.
Variable Results of action:
-They both pause struggle to understand new situation.
-They both pounce to attack me (unlikely)
-Wrong do'er attempts to flee scence
-I take control of situation and am able to have them pause long enough to give victum a moment to speak up

Option 2 I run up break them apart
Possible results
-Both turn to me and start to plee their stories (unlikely since I am no figure of authority)
-Victim would most likely stay to thank me for aid
-Wrong do'er would again most likely flee do to trying to avoid the police.
-(In this specific instance) Why is woman with briefcase fleeing the scene?

again why is a woman with a briefcase fleeing the scene? Even good-do'ers should find that there are 2 variable details there that are questionable. (I doubt she was wearing attire to indicate a business woman)

Hench forth any reasonable approaches I see have no excuse for what happened in this incident and there are various human as fault.

1. You don't know what it exactly looked like, and whether it was clear they were fighting over the suitcase. Or what the woman was wearing.

2. The man was drunk and didn't speak good English, so he might not understand what you're doing and assume you're in it with the robber, plus it would be difficult to get the story straight quickly.

3. I don't know what kind of fighting experience you have, but sneaking up on people and snathing away the briefcase is not as easy as it sounds. They very likely weren't just standing still.

4. If you have two people fighting over something, taking it away from them will most likely earn you a punch in the face or worse, both would automatically assume you're on the side of the other one.

5. How would you 'take control of the situation'? Unless you're big and intimidating enough, plus have experience and authority on things like this, would you yell at them or something?

6. It's very easy to ponder a problem on a forum like this, but in a situation where you are actually faced with (what seems like) a person attacking another, or just fighting, you need to act quickly.

 

[Lyri]

He should probably give it to the Hulk. He already yells, "It's Clobbern' Time!" when he beats off.

He could get a job as a landscape gardener pretty easily, firing off rock gardens when he's done.
You know, in case the hero business or the porn business didn't work for him.

 

[00slash00]

see, this is why chivalry is bad (one of several reasons). maybe one day people will stop looking at women as weak and frail creatures, and start looking at them as people

 

[Fappy]

He should probably give it to the Hulk. He already yells, "It's Clobbern' Time!" when he beats off.

He could get a job as a landscape gardener pretty easily, firing off rock gardens when he's done.
You know, in case the hero business or the porn business didn't work for him.

I don't know how successful at porn he'd be. He'd probably decapitate people with his money shots.

It' got to fire like a shotgun or something.

D:

 

[Lyri]

I don't know how successful at porn he'd be. He'd probably decapitate people with his money shots.

It' got to fire like a shotgun or something.

D:

Bring in the She-Hulks.

[sub]Bestillmybeating...heart![/sub]

 

[Fappy]

I don't know how successful at porn he'd be. He'd probably decapitate people with his money shots.

It' got to fire like a shotgun or something.

D:

Bring in the She-Hulks.

[sub]Bestillmybeating...heart![/sub]

She could take it, but I'd imagine it wouldn't be very pleasant. Super Hero sex hurts my brain to think about.