Woman robs man on side of road, Two "samaritans" help her because she's a woman

[Phasmal]

Sigh. I'll get the popcorn guys. Bout time I treated ya'll.

No butter for me! I'm vegan.

Thank you kindly :3

Toffee popcorn is best anyway.
Can vegans have toffee? Probably not...

OT: I probably would have thought the same if I had come across someone who was drunk lunging at someone else. Not because they were male/female, but because they were drunk.

 

[Neonit]

I'd pick a man to be the aggressor over a woman any day of the week. Nothing to do with sexism, but men are far, far, far more likely to commit an aggressive crime than women are. Just how our hormones and brains work *shrug*

while i agree with you and i admit that i myself would stop the man first, in most modern countries police has noted an enormous and i do mean ENORMOUS rise of violent crimes conducted by women over the last, say 10 year. in some cases, small violent acts (as in, assault with no permanent damage, theft, murder, rape etc) becoming pretty much equal for both sexes.

they were even rumours of this becoming women's domain, but seeing the little to no impact of it on society - it is pretty much unnoticed by public.

same thing is happening with prisons.

I dont think its fair to say "they do it more often, therefore it was ok" because that will lead to slippery slopes....

so in short, yes, men are more likely to get into serious assault with body damage (at least in my opinion), and even murder, but small assaults knows no gender.

 

[SeanSeanston]

Women have it a lot harder than men on this planet.

Now that's a hard thing to measure with any degree of accuracy in an unbiased and rational manner.

Some countries have achieved a lot of equality with a lot left to go, but most countries... Yeah, being a woman sucks in most places.

Being anyone sucks in a lot of places to be quite honest. Maybe most.

If it's bad being a woman in, say, most of Sub-Saharan Africa, I can't imagine being a man is much better in many cases.

In fairness, we were talking about a crime committed in the West, and the situation in the Western World. We can't really reasonably combine bits of different cultures as though they were part of some sort of cohesive whole and assess them as such.

Alas, I agree with you! The problems facing men are way too often overlooked and ignored.

Aren't they in many cases? I have, after all, provided a reference to an inarguable fact of life where being a man puts you in much greater danger of a situation where death by starvation, cold or violence is very likely, with an early miserable death almost guaranteed.

I really don't see what's to argue about that. There are plenty of examples of very real concerns affecting primarily or exclusively men that it would be hard to argue aren't virtually ignored despite deserving support and recognition.

Men are more violent than woman. Fact

Again, I would merely suggest (as we are, after all, having a civil conversation for the free discussion of ideas, hopefully for the benefit of us all) the idea of perhaps more men than women being put into situations which pressure people into the committing of violent acts.

Being as it is, seemingly quite clearly deemed the default domain of men to commit any violence deemed necessary by society, as evidenced by the near total lack of the drafting of women (most of which, I assume, must be just as capable of the duties of modern military service as most men) into armed forces across the world with few exceptions.

 

[Phasmal]

Sigh. I'll get the popcorn guys. Bout time I treated ya'll.

No butter for me! I'm vegan.

Thank you kindly :3

Toffee popcorn is best anyway.
Can vegans have toffee? Probably not...

OT: I probably would have thought the same if I had come across someone who was drunk lunging at someone else. Not because they were male/female, but because they were drunk.

We can have toffee

Unless you put something into it I am unaware of. My toffee is pretty much sugar water lol.

Well loads of food contain secret animalbits, so you never know.
My sister's daughter was born with a milk protein allergy and we were surprised how many foods contain milk proteins.

 

[itsthesheppy]

Actually, it's because men are many times more likely to commit violent crime than women are. In fact, men are ten times more likely to commit murder.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/gender.cfm

Or, as MRA and anti-feminists call it, sexism!

Get out of here with statistics! I hate reality, it's always standing in the way of my opinions!

Are cases where the male is used by a woman as tool to commit a violent crime by proxy incorporated into these statistics?

The article plainly shows these two "heroes" would gladly attack a man just because a woman seemed to be in distress.

This is a mild case, I've seen guys do worse just because a woman said something.

Statistics are valid but don't account for the nuances of crime. A guy may be the one doing the work but some of the time there is a woman pulling the strings. It's the reason why a desperate white knight is the most dangerous male he will do anything for female approval.

By anything I mean murder.

When you say "some of the time there is a woman pulling the strings" it makes me want to quietly, politely, shy away from you. I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories.

Yes, you can find examples of everything. There are examples of physically abusive and aggressive women. the majority of cases, however, feature aggressively abusive and violent men. It is far and away the more likely response. We are creatures conditioned, bred and programmed to react to things based on what the most likely case might be the truth.

It's unfortunate that this occasionally leads to mistakes, and it will lead to mistakes forever, but it doesn't belie a hidden, swept-under-the-rug social issue. Not in this case.

 

[Neonit]

I'd pick a man to be the aggressor over a woman any day of the week. Nothing to do with sexism, but men are far, far, far more likely to commit an aggressive crime than women are. Just how our hormones and brains work *shrug*

while i agree with you and i admit that i myself would stop the man first, in most modern countries police has noted an enormous and i do mean ENORMOUS rise of violent crimes conducted by women over the last, say 10 year. in some cases, small violent acts (as in, assault with no permanent damage, theft, murder, rape etc) becoming pretty much equal for both sexes.

they were even rumours of this becoming women's domain, but seeing the little to no impact of it on society - it is pretty much unnoticed by public.

same thing is happening with prisons.

I dont think its fair to say "they do it more often, therefore it was ok" because that will lead to slippery slopes....

so in short, yes, men are more likely to get into serious assault with body damage (at least in my opinion), and even murder, but small assaults knows no gender.

Fact is, if you come across a guy tackling a woman and trying to restrain her, you're gonna think something's up and try to separate them.

Women commit crime. Lately, women have been committing more crime than in the past (a lot more). Men still commit more crime. A man holding a woman down is far more likely to be the aggressor. That's simply how it is.

Why yes, and i do not say that it is otherwise. I just believe that this shift in the amount of crimes committed should (and with time, will) change the perspective of society in such a way that this form of sexism (because lets not beat around the bush, that IS sexism) will disappear. At least, that is what i hope will happen. There still will be exceptions (just like now there are still exceptions when it comes to say, racism) but most of the public will let the old stereotypes go.

 

[SidheKnight]

I'd pick a man to be the aggressor over a woman any day of the week. Nothing to do with sexism, but men are far, far, far more likely to commit an aggressive crime than women are. Just how our hormones and brains work *shrug*

Because men are up to ten times more likely to commit violent crime than women.

If you know nothing about a situation, but see one party, a group ten times more likely to be at fault than the other, and a second, much less likely to do the same, which do you side with in the heat of the moment?

Men are more violent than woman. Fact

Going by that logic, you would side with a white person over an African American or Hispanic because of statistics, too?

Using statistics to make judgement calls in this types of situations is also discrimination.

So yes, the guys where unconciously being sexist. Just as in my example one would be racist.

 

[SeanSeanston]

If it's bad being a woman in, say, most of Sub-Saharan Africa, I can't imagine being a man is much better in many cases.

Female circumcision. Rape. Being sold as property. Having no rights--and I mean NO rights. Plus all the issues men deal with in relation to starvation and poverty.

In fairness I counter that with:
- Male circumcision (unnecessary surgery performed in rather few places in the world which can and does cause problems such as death but is hardly discussed in such a light).
- Rape. It does happen to men and this is not something that is discussed enough. Granted, certainly more often to women.
- Being sold as property. Of course it happens to both genders. Slavery is booming.
- In fairness, I'm not aware of places where women have literally no rights. Might you provide a link to evidence for my perusal?
On a related note, I suspect the rights of most men are rather thin on the ground in places such as North Korea.

You really want to compare men and women in such a place? Seriously?

In fairness, being a man in such a place must surely put one in grave danger of being forced into armed service of one kind or another. Perhaps even to support one's family.

It's no picnic being a man in Sub-Saharan Africa, I assume.

Anyways, I've said what I've said, calmly put forth ideas for perusal so that differing outlooks may perhaps be given a chance to be tested by further investigating concrete facts to unemotionally attempt to get at the truth, whatever it may be. I think I'm done here. Back to waiting for Zero Punctuation

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

Because men are up to ten times more likely to commit violent crime than women.

Then you're still being extremely sexist. Just because men statistically commit more crimes doesn't mean the man should be automatically be treated as the guilty party. If it was statistically more likely for women to work less than men would you be right to hire men more than women? No, because you're being sexist and assuming based on race.

Don't try and justify your sexism with stats because it doesn't work.

 

[[REDACTED]]

I would help whoever seemed to be in the most trouble. It's as simple as that.

Also @Boudica, I notice you have a new avatar. It looks... oh god. No.

 

[IceStar100]

This is why people should not play hero. If two people are fighting let them. Last time someone tried to get between me and a buddy fight we turn and both kicked his ass.

Lesson of the day kiddo if you don't know what happening stay out of it.

I hope the guy take them both to court and get a HUGH payout stupity should be punished.

 

[Piecewise]

It's nice that this all instantly becomes a gender thing because the guy who started the tread used it as a standard "Men are discriminated against based on sex too!" thread.

In reality we know nothing about what this looked like and what the circumstances were. When you just come across two people fighting it's very hard to tell which one is the aggressor if they're both fighting back. As such, we tend to look at whoever is "winning" as being the one who has to be retrained. So, say you come across a scene of two people (Gender is a non issue) who are fighting over a laptop bag. They both have the strap in their hands and are trying to yank it out of the other's hands. The one of the left then punches the one on the right in the face. Who is the aggressor? Who do you help?