Woman robs man on side of road, Two "samaritans" help her because she's a woman

[Lyri]

What you did there? I see it

Oh, you should have told me you were looking.

 

[Promethax]

I don't know what's more amusing, the fact that it happened, or the fact that people are actually defending the two shitheads that let it happen.

 

[Piecewise]

I wasn't aware of the details. My fault.

I still sustain every kind of circumcision is wrong (except in extreme cases where it's necessary due to medical reasons and with consent of the circumcised). But now I agree with you that female circumcision is much worse (It's actually closer to complete genital mutilation).

You still haven't answered my question about if the robbery was White on African American or Hispanic (same gender) instead of Woman on Man...

Is it ok to be racist then because of the statistics?

Mmm. Forced circumcision for any reason other than medical, is so messed up.

As to your question: I don't understand it. Do you mean to ask who I would assume is in the wrong if it was an African American or Hispanic man in a fight with a white man? I don't know who I would think is in the wrong. I don't think there's much of a difference in terms of statistics. I would probably assume the weaker looking of the two was the victim. If they were equal and different only in race? I'd have no ideas *shrug*

Going by that logic, you would side with a white person over an African American or Hispanic because of statistics, too?

Depends on the crime. For example, last I checked, white Americans are more likely to commit rape than African Americans.

I'm talking about a white man robbing an african american man or hispanic man

WOAH. Male circumcision in a hospital =/= women having their genitals mutilated in a hut.

Last I checked, synagogues/mosques are no hospitals. And even if they were, baby boys have no choice in the matter so their rights are being assaulted in the same way that those of the circumsiced girls.

Besides, men get circumsiced in huts too in Africa or some parts of the Middle-East.

This double standard about circumsicion is WRONG.

(Double standards are wrong, period).

Do you have any idea what they do to women? They hack off the clitoris--akin to taking a knife to the tip of a penis--so they feel no pleasure in sex for the rest of their life, sew their vagina shut, to be cut open once they are sold to a man, and slice off her labia.

Do not even try to compare male circumcision to what they do to women. Ever.

Out of curiosity, have you ever had penetrative intercourse? Because cutting off the clitoris doesn't suddenly make the rest of your genitals numb.In fact, I'm fairly certain that the penis has no contact with the clitoris during the actual act of sex, unless I've been really doing something wrong. I'm not saying that female circumcision is right or ok, god knows it's not, but the claim of "Feel no pleasure in sex" is pretty much a blatant lie. And you shouldn't lie or exaggerate things in situations like this because it undermines your whole stance which in turn undermines serious human rights issues.

"Female genital mutilation denies sexual pleasure to millions of women."

"'Female circumcision is detrimental to women's sexual satisfaction'", may seem so blindingly obvious as to be worthless. But as they explained, the study is part of an effort to build a collection of rigorous evidence about the long-term effects of FGM so that attitudes can be changed from within the countries where it is practised."

-http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2008/nov/13/female-genital-mutilation-sexual-dysfunction

Sexual dysfunction =/= universal loss of pleasurable sensation 100% of the time, which is what you claimed.

Also, try posting a link to a real scientific journal next time, not a newspaper.

 

[Hjalmar Fryklund]

Can we stop turning sexism into a contest about who has it worst?

While the rest of your post makes a fair point, let me answer your opening question head-on:

No, we can't, because that would be the mature approach!

 

[Lyri]

That man is do damn hot...

Yes, you seem like such a guy hating, banner waver to me.

You monster!

 

[Lieju]

I won't deny there's a lot of sexism around when it comes to violence and women, and how women are seen more often as victims etc, but here, that's not the case. What those two saw was that a drunk (who didn't speak English well, and so couldn't as easily explain the situation) was chasing and attacking another (presumably physically weaker) person, and they restrained the attacker.

It would be dangerous, foolish, and illegal to physically prevent the woman from escaping the scene. It also wouldn't occur to anyone to restrain the person who is fleeing a physical altercation before they can attempt to flee the scene. No one would do that in a similar situation to what those men discovered.

And I want to clarify: I DON'T think the guys who jumped to defend the woman in the article were wrong or bad people, because it wasn't their intention to help a robber (quite the contrary).

One of those 'good samaritans' was a woman.

I don't know what's more amusing, the fact that it happened, or the fact that people are actually defending the two shitheads that let it happen.

I think it's rather scary how some people think it's wrong to interfere when they see a person physically assaulting another. Or even if we assume it was a fair fight, and that both the victim and the robber were equally physically powerful, they were at least stopping a fight.

What would you have done?

 

[Hagi]

Is there much of a difference between those ethnicities (not a word lol)? The only racial statistic I can remember is that white men are more likely to commit rape than African American men. I'm also pretty sure Hispanics are quite low on the list of "people that commit crime."

There are.

Hispanics are, relative to their number, three times as likely to be involved in crimes (as the offender).

Black people are, relative to their number, twice as likely to be involved in crimes (as the offender).

Men and women are equally likely to be involved in crimes (as the offender). Admittedly, men's crimes are worse as they end up in prison nine times as much.

But if you feel the difference between men and women is significant enough to treat both groups differently I suggest you start running as soon as you see a Hispanic or black person.

 

[SidheKnight]

@Boudica

So, you are not racist but you're sexist against men because of "statistics". Interesting..

Ok, I think the lesson here is: Guys, if a woman tries to steal from you, let her, don't try to stop the robbery, don't try to defend yourselves, it might look like you're assaulting her.

Yup, there's nothing wrong with our culture...

Is there much of a difference between those ethnicities (not a word lol)? The only racial statistic I can remember is that white men are more likely to commit rape than African American men. I'm also pretty sure Hispanics are quite low on the list of "people that commit crime."

There are a lot more minorities in jail than white people.

Granted being in jail not necessarily equals being guilty (lot's of "guilty" people don't get convicted or get off because of technicalities, and sometimes innocent people go to jail). But still..

@Lyri

White Knight is not only the guy who acts "chivalrious" towards women to get laid, but also the one who does so because of "male guilt".

And I want to clarify: I DON'T think the guys who jumped to defend the woman in the article were wrong or bad people, because it wasn't their intention to help a robber (quite the contrary).

My point is that we should learn from this experience and not do the same the next time something like this happens.

I thought kids shows did a better work teaching us to "don't judge based on looks". I guess not...

 

[soh45400]

@Boudica
You mention that "men are 10 times more likely to commit violence" what about reporting violence committed against them,especially by a woman?
The video I posted earlier shows men can't do that because police is skewed against men. Watch the video and see the response of the police officer and tell me, if you were a man, would you report violence against you to people like him.
Then there is the issue of manliness. How many men can take the humiliation of "getting beat up by a girl"?

 

[anthony87]

That video is incredibly depressing, and goes to show that the bias against men has nothing to do with social, economic or political systems it is just inherent. We are valued less, not because of what we do but simply because of what we are.

Really, YOU are valued less just because of who you are?

Get back to me when one out of every four men are raped. Get back to me when men make 77 cents for every dollar women make. Get back to me when the sexual humiliation and abuse of men is one of America's top industries. Get back to me when you're afraid to walk home at night. Get back to me when you can't turn on a television, look at a magazine, or talk to the majority of other human beings for twenty minutes without receiving the obvious message that you are nothing but a receptacle for cum that exists for men's pleasure.

Until then, shut the fuck up k?

Issues much?

I'm just gonna go and direct you to a post that I think has the right idea:

Can we stop turning sexism into a contest about who has it worst?

Because if you're only allowed to complain if there isn't some group who's got it worse then I've got news for you...

So please, stop this pissing contest of who's got the worst circumcision and reputation in society based on gender.

Either because you believe that it doesn't matter if someone else has it worse, problems are problems and they all deserve to be fixed.

Or because you realize that there's this group of child soldiers in Africa who are currently getting drugged up on some substance that will kill them by age 15 before being forced to chop off the heads of whomever they come across and then going to bed where they'll most likely be raped, repeatedly, and as such your petty complaints pale in comparison and by following your own philosophy of not whining if someone else is having it much worse you shut the hell up.

Thank you.

So how about you go and lose the fucking victim complex, k?

 

[Lyri]

I do hate men!

[sub][sub]Because you make me fall in love with you and then leave ;-;[/sub][/sub]

It's all good baby, that'll change now. I'm here.

Look at this wonderful kitchen you could have, isn't it just dreamy?

All mod cons too, whaddya say? ;D

 

[Phasmal]

White Knight is not only the guy who acts "chivalrious" towards women to get laid, but also the one who does so because of "male guilt".

And I want to clarify: I DON'T think the guys who jumped to defend the woman in the article were wrong or bad people, because it wasn't their intention to help a robber (quite the contrary).

My point is that we should learn from this experience and not do the same the next time something like this happens.

I thought kids shows did a better work teaching us to "don't judge based on looks". I guess not...

I do not think that the woman who stopped to help (it was one guy and one woman) was suffering much male guilt.
Seriously, they may have been influenced by unconcious sexism, but at the time they thought it looked like the woman was being assaulted and tried to help.

 

[Lieju]

So, if you came across two people in a physical struggle, your first thought would be to calmly walk up to them and say "excuse me sir and madam, what appears to be the problem here?", while they're still clawing at one another?

No I would stop it but I wouldn't be naive enough to assume the man is at fault and I certainly wouldn't let anyone leave until I got the police there.

With two people? How would you restrain two people with two people, assuming neither was a martial artist or something?

Besides, generally, when faced with a fight and breaking it up, you don't have time to think or ask who originally caused the fight.

 

[Hagi]

Hispanics are, relative to their number, three times as likely to be involved in crimes (as the offender).

Black people are, relative to their number, twice as likely to be involved in crimes (as the offender).

That sounds... far-fetched.

Also, what do you mean "as the offender"? What offender? Wouldn't that change on a case by case basis? It all smells to me like you're making stuff up *suspicious look*

EDIT

OHH! More likely to be involved in a crime, with them being the offender.

My bad! I read it weird.

Feel free to check yourself, wikipedia isn't exactly hard to find but I'll link it for you.

The Hispanics have their own little section in the page where the three times number comes from.

The two times number comes from 28% of all arrests being black people whilst they only make up 13% of the population. They actually make up about 45% of all murderers, but I felt the arrest number was more likely to be a fair representation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States