Women aren't Babies
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Bless this.Clearing the Eye said:
Anyway, OP. Yes it shouldn't be a gender issue and we need to stand up for everyone here. However, it tends to be the case that the aggression itself is a gender driven issue, hence the responses to it calling back to gender.
Unless you can find me the male equivalent of what happened to Anita Sarkeesian this week.
The gender-neutral approach needs to start with the people intent on attacking. Everything else is just a reaction.
I'm glad to hear this from someone but here's the main thing its unspoken excuse but mainly women are treated different because you give life and go through "certain things" ( I think we can all guess at that) so since women give life men feel the need to treat them different or as babies like you said, but heres theres the other end of the sword if there not treated like babies there treated like toys but we all know that story but my point is a women can do anything a man do and take if not better but since society( internet included) is so brain washed to this system its kinda sad
And then the men will get belittled for not being "man enough" and needing a woman to fight their battles for them, thus continuing the cycle.Gorrila_thinktank said:
Maybe on consoles, but having played an MMO and some other online games for a long time, I can't say this holds true on the PC. People are a lot easier on girls than they are on guys, both in frequency and harshness of the insults. Of course you'll run into a misogynistic pig here and there, but not really more commonly than you'd find one in the real world and similarly to the real world, you'll get people quickly rallying to defend girls from such pricks. Unlike the real world, it's also usually easier to ignore/get rid of such people, as all the girls I've known in games have done, the same way guys did.bahumat42 said:
captcha: give or take... kinda sorta appropriate
Thanks! I figured the 20 page claim was an exaggeration but I still wasn't sure which thread he might have been referring to.Matthew94 said:
[link]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.378338-Kickstarter-Video-Project-Attracts-Misogynist-Horde?page=1[/link]manic_depressive13 said:
Actually up to twenty one pages.
I've never seen that website before but I after reading 2 pages I had to laugh. Not that I agree with anything on it, just the fact that some people have the cajones to send that stuff. it's retarded on like 10 levels.Rastien said:
Obviously the ones sending those messages are immature twits that have no idea how to approach a woman in real life so they resort to sending out stupid messages on line, the same kind of freaks that sit there ass naked on ChatRoulette hoping to get paired up with someone mildly attractive. Like the guy who sends "show me your boobs", does he actually think the girl is going to be like "sure send me your email and ill send those pics right away"?? Are people that dumb???
This, basically. When a man is attacked online, they're stupid or shitty or gay or whatever; whenever a woman is attacked online, they're attacked for simply being a woman.Spot1990 said:
Well I think that part of the issue is that while everyone gets harassed on the internet for being on the internet, women gets harassed on the internet because they are women. Just like homosexuals and people with certain religions or ethnicity gets harassed for that. If I were to play Call of Duty online and someone calls me a fag for no reason, then my reaction would be quite indifferent. I would call him a homophobe and laugh it off, it wont affect me because it's not true and still I got nothing against homosexuals. I am not gay, bisexual, female nor do I belong to a certain minority. I am born a white baptized like most Christians (I'm an Atheist though and so are my parents) aged between 20 and 40. The majority got nothing against me for what I can't change. Someone tells me they want to kill me. Empty words. Someone wants to rape me (yes I've heard that one) still empty words. Any insults I am most likely to get are hollow and wrong. If someone were t attack me for who I am I imagine things would be different.
If I were a black teenager and I had to live with abuse for being black. If I got abuse for being female I doubt I wouldn't have liked that.
Now of course I am only assuming here and I am generalizing a lot. However I feel women deserve to be treated with some kind of human decency. Now I also believe that black people, Muslims, Homosexuals and Jews deserve this too. It's too much to wrap them in cotton and protect them like porcelain dolls, but being abused over something that is true is worse than being abused over something someone thinks they can use as an insult.
If I were a black teenager and I had to live with abuse for being black. If I got abuse for being female I doubt I wouldn't have liked that.
Now of course I am only assuming here and I am generalizing a lot. However I feel women deserve to be treated with some kind of human decency. Now I also believe that black people, Muslims, Homosexuals and Jews deserve this too. It's too much to wrap them in cotton and protect them like porcelain dolls, but being abused over something that is true is worse than being abused over something someone thinks they can use as an insult.
Wait, don't people act too nice to women online? I can honestly say I've heard more stories of lonely guys being super, super nice to a woman online (stereotypically in an MMO) and giving her lots of things. In fact, there's an entire joke about people rolling female characters to get free stuff.peruvianskys said:
Yeah, there's some assholes, but I've seen more women get treated better than men because they're female, than worse.
I'm a woman and that has never happened to me. I honestly don't know where that assumption comes from.Clearing the Eye said:
I've had people be nice to me in real life when they find out I play games, but online the only `special treatment` I get is not the kind you would want.
Hell, I've even gotten crap because my boyfriend was annoying someone- so I ended up getting harrassed.
I agree with much that you say, however, there are still 2 sexes... and as there are 2 sexes that are physically and genetically made differently then there will always be a difference to treatment...
For example... front line troops. It's the age old arguement, 'Not allowing women on the front line is sexist elitism of men...' Wrong! The main reason that women are not allowed on the front line is that men instantly react differently... it's nature, it's how we are! Men are instantly protective of females over other men. This means that in a fire fight a man, working off of instinct, without realising will do more to protect a female squad member than a male. This is dangerous in that environment as someone could be left to die as a squad member accidentally ignores him over a natural urge to tend to a female casualty first...
Now, that is an extreme example, and I know that it does not equate to online, however, it still has roots to your argument. I agree that there is some inexplicible behavior by people online, and some males (mostly young males) will defend women they don't know to embarrasing levels... but this is just instinctive of the male gender. Hormonal young men, who have just woken to the fact there are a fairer species with lumpy jumpers, will unfortunately do the first thing that comes into their head when confronted with one of these creatures[footnote] The language used in this section is in no way trying to be sexist... it is a perspective of a teenegers mind. Women are a new concept to an adolecent male. Also, I am in the military, and ethics and diversity are accepted, even when language appears to fail in this aspect![/footnote]... try for acceptance!
Unfortunately it will never go. It is a natural part of human emotion. You said you had a boyfreind... imagine if he treated everyone exactly the same... well... first of all he wouldn't treat you any different to his mates at work/school whatever, and you probably wouldn't have got together with you in the first place... infact that thing in his personality and demeanor that caused you to be attracted to him wouldn't have outwardly been shown, and you wouldn't have had the spark that set the relationship off!
Finally... as a perfect English gentleman, I can unfortunatly conclude that I, myself, do and will always treat males and females differently in a social environment...! I am mandated as a man to give up my seat on public transport to women, help with bags if they are struggling and open doors/pull out chairs for them! (All but the chairs thing I would do for blokes too, to be honest, but out of kindness and upbringing not societies norms...
For example... front line troops. It's the age old arguement, 'Not allowing women on the front line is sexist elitism of men...' Wrong! The main reason that women are not allowed on the front line is that men instantly react differently... it's nature, it's how we are! Men are instantly protective of females over other men. This means that in a fire fight a man, working off of instinct, without realising will do more to protect a female squad member than a male. This is dangerous in that environment as someone could be left to die as a squad member accidentally ignores him over a natural urge to tend to a female casualty first...
Now, that is an extreme example, and I know that it does not equate to online, however, it still has roots to your argument. I agree that there is some inexplicible behavior by people online, and some males (mostly young males) will defend women they don't know to embarrasing levels... but this is just instinctive of the male gender. Hormonal young men, who have just woken to the fact there are a fairer species with lumpy jumpers, will unfortunately do the first thing that comes into their head when confronted with one of these creatures[footnote] The language used in this section is in no way trying to be sexist... it is a perspective of a teenegers mind. Women are a new concept to an adolecent male. Also, I am in the military, and ethics and diversity are accepted, even when language appears to fail in this aspect![/footnote]... try for acceptance!
Unfortunately it will never go. It is a natural part of human emotion. You said you had a boyfreind... imagine if he treated everyone exactly the same... well... first of all he wouldn't treat you any different to his mates at work/school whatever, and you probably wouldn't have got together with you in the first place... infact that thing in his personality and demeanor that caused you to be attracted to him wouldn't have outwardly been shown, and you wouldn't have had the spark that set the relationship off!
Finally... as a perfect English gentleman, I can unfortunatly conclude that I, myself, do and will always treat males and females differently in a social environment...! I am mandated as a man to give up my seat on public transport to women, help with bags if they are struggling and open doors/pull out chairs for them! (All but the chairs thing I would do for blokes too, to be honest, but out of kindness and upbringing not societies norms...
That happened to me, too! Except with an ex girlfriend. She started a fight with this mod because he wouldn't kick this guy that was glitching. Anyway, the mod found out it was my girlfriend and he banned me from every server his group runs. I was none too pleased!Phasmal said:
Thanks for sharing your opinion, there. I disagree with it, but you said what you said quite well.Elementary - Dear Watson said:
As to my (now ex) boyfriend (</3): I'm not saying treat everyone neutrally, but to not treat people based on sex.
I have seen guys get called shit in online games. I mean really, all the time. But not once have I ever seen them being continuously hounded in such a way that it'd probably constitute sexual harassment.
::NEWSFLASH::
This does happen to women. I've seen it in online games, I know plenty of people who have, there are plenty of videos on Youtube, and in fact I think there's a site dedicated to posting examples of it. Based on what I and a number of others have seen after however many years online, there seems a distinct difference - if you've missed that then you're either very lucky or willfully blind.
The treatment of women is a hot topic because - unfortunately - '******' and '******' are mostly used as general slurs by the online gaming community. It's casual, used against anyone. The shit women get is often far more focused. To their minds you may as well be protesting them saying 'fuck'.
Anyway: you're talking about something which has not been the focus of recent discussions of sexism in gaming. The Kickstarter for the video series on women and tropes in gaming is the closest thing to this discussion and even then, it's not actually addressing entirely the same thing.
The topic's a little irrelevant given how much you seem to want to address recent events.
::NEWSFLASH::
This does happen to women. I've seen it in online games, I know plenty of people who have, there are plenty of videos on Youtube, and in fact I think there's a site dedicated to posting examples of it. Based on what I and a number of others have seen after however many years online, there seems a distinct difference - if you've missed that then you're either very lucky or willfully blind.
The treatment of women is a hot topic because - unfortunately - '******' and '******' are mostly used as general slurs by the online gaming community. It's casual, used against anyone. The shit women get is often far more focused. To their minds you may as well be protesting them saying 'fuck'.
Anyway: you're talking about something which has not been the focus of recent discussions of sexism in gaming. The Kickstarter for the video series on women and tropes in gaming is the closest thing to this discussion and even then, it's not actually addressing entirely the same thing.
The topic's a little irrelevant given how much you seem to want to address recent events.