Women aren't Babies

[Don Savik]

Women don't need no man, eh?

Cool beans. And while you're speaking on behalf of all women ever, can you tell them via hivemind that I'm available and if they want my phone number just message me on my Escapist profile.

Might as well be opportunistic here *shrug*

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

SNIP

Thanks for sharing your opinion, there. I disagree with it, but you said what you said quite well.

As to my (now ex) boyfriend (</3): I'm not saying treat everyone neutrally, but to not treat people based on sex.

Didn't know I was being marked! Lol, only kidding! It's a fact that a poorly written arguement, no matter how good the point is, loses credibility almost instantly!

I'm sorry to hear you guys split... it's never a nice thing to happen, so, for what it's worth, you have my condolences!

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Women don't need no man, eh?

Cool beans. And while you're speaking on behalf of all women ever, can you tell them via hivemind that I'm available and if they want my phone number just message me on my Escapist profile.

Might as well be opportunistic here *shrug*

I will not use my super powers to help you land a girlfriend! There's something seedy about it, lol.

SNIP

Thanks for sharing your opinion, there. I disagree with it, but you said what you said quite well.

As to my (now ex) boyfriend (</3): I'm not saying treat everyone neutrally, but to not treat people based on sex.

Didn't know I was being marked! Lol, only kidding! It's a fact that a poorly written arguement, no matter how good the point is, loses credibility almost instantly!

I'm sorry to hear you guys split... it's never a nice thing to happen, so, for what it's worth, you have my condolences!

Aw, thanks.

Your 'stache is rockin', by the way

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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While I agree with your points I think what annoys people, is that while lads also suffer abuse (and that is wrong too), the level of abuse women get just for admitting they are women is kind of silly.

I would like to be able to play a multiplayer game without someone asking to see my tits as soon as I have to speak on comms.

If someone calls me a nob for playing crappily that's fine with me but I don't want to take abuse just because I have boobs.

I'd be similarly annoyed at people who are racist.

 

[Bassik]

People are terrible to other people? Tell me more of this strange developement...

I don't like most women, I find them self-absorbed airheads. I have the same issue with most men, but when I say it about men nobody loses his shit, they just assume (correctly) I am a weird loner.

People on the escapist excluded, off course

 

[Clearing the Eye]

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While I agree with your points I think what annoys people, is that while lads also suffer abuse (and that is wrong too), the level of abuse women get just for admitting they are women is kind of silly.

I would like to be able to play a multiplayer game without someone asking to see my tits as soon as I have to speak on comms.

If someone calls me a nob for playing crappily that's fine with me but I don't want to take abuse just because I have boobs.

I'd be similarly annoyed at people who are racist.

It may be different in your case, but I've only ever seen a woman get harassed once. It was a friend of mine and she was called a tranny by one drop-kick who was swiftly muted. It might be the games I play or the people I know, but most of the time I see women treated better because they are women, with people desperate to be nice to them and give them things in game. Sad, but not so bad for the women wanting free stuff, lol. There's an entire culture built around men pretending to be women online for attention and the common joke of rolling a female elf in an MMO for free stuff.

The problem to me, is that the amount of sexism or abuse women suffer online is reported insanely bias and most of it is conjecture. It happens (I've seen it) but it's so grating how hyperbolic some of the reports can be. So rather than have these threads where we talk about how bad women have it, when in reality it's no where near as bad as certain vocal extremists would have you believe, I'd like more threads about how to actually improve the online world for everyone.

No doubt you are not some insane person that wants a perfect world for women, while men toil in coal mines. No doubt 99.9% of people aren't like that. But the focus seems so much on people wanting things better for women, and not on actually making the online world better for everyone of every race, gender, religion and sexuality. It also mostly consists of people simply saying it's bad, without offering any solutions. You end up with where I'm at now, with a bunch of people just sick of hearing about sexism because it never gets anywhere. The issues may be important, but they never get anywhere and the exact same arguments occur every time.

It's a matter of approach more than anything else. We all (well, most of us) want a better online experience, free of trolls and assholes. Let's work towards that and actually make progress. Let's come at this problem as a people problem, not a specific gender's problem. After all, women aren't weaker than men and they don't need help and saving from harmful words any more than a man would. And that's my point.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

People are terrible to other people? Tell me more of this strange developement...

I don't like most women, I find them self-absorbed airheads. I have the same issue with most men, but when I say it about men nobody loses his shit, they just assume (correctly) I am a weird loner.

People on the escapist excluded, off course

So you're sexist against both sexes! You monster.

 

[Bassik]

People are terrible to other people? Tell me more of this strange developement...

I don't like most women, I find them self-absorbed airheads. I have the same issue with most men, but when I say it about men nobody loses his shit, they just assume (correctly) I am a weird loner.

People on the escapist excluded, off course

So you're sexist against both sexes! You monster.

Well you have to admit that the sexes we have are pretty rubbish. Maybe we need a third sex, you know, as mediator between Men and Women, and also with enough bits to statisfy everyone.

 

[Charli]

Yeah I know... sorry some Women are still holding on for dear life to the notion that they need to be taken care of by men but still want more rights and freedoms in a truly hypocritical twist for the worse but some Ladies are just like that. I doubt half of them even realise they're doing it.

And sadly most men seem to date them. Differences will, for a good long while, rule the brains of the two sexes. Women are weaker physically, but more complicated emotionally, it's just a hard habit to break when thousands of years of opressive behaviours have taught us nearly genetically to behave a certain way. But many of us are trying. Some are not, but life is funny isn't it. People are all different. Generalizations are hard to support for me. And personally I don't need to be sheilded from the big nasty tough internet man calling me a ***** or a slut. He's a grandmotherfucker. Next.

Equal rights are tough to stick by when people dive for the extremes of a certain group of people. But I'll keep by it.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

He's a grandmotherfucker.

You saying there is something wrong about having sex with elderly women? You ageist!

 

[Treblaine]

Women aren't babies.

Then why do they cry all the time?

Women don't need people to protect them.

Then why do they always pursue larger mates?

Women don't need white knights.

Then why keep up the knight in shinning armor bit?

Women don't need to be treated differently.

Then why ask for chivalry?

Women do need to be treated like a human being, not a gender.

Then why acknowledge they're women?

Perhaps it's just my personal experience, but every god damned time I read something like this people continually make bold generalized statements which are almost always inherently contradictory to individual desires. And when you call them out on it, suddenly the generalizations are damaging stereotypes and your perceptions were obviously inaccurate to begin with.

So I'm not suppose to comfort them, because they don't need to be protected, because they can fight their own battles, because they're the same as everyone else and I should treat them like everyone else. Ok, I'll pat them on the back like a buddy and tell them to man up. Wait... no... that would be gender discriminatory. Ack, I can't keep track of this shit!

Women cry to deal with their emotions. Men are more likely to get a weapon, hit someone in the back then go to jail. It's not weakness itself, its a way of dealing with anguish instead of getting angry and doing something rash.

Women pursue larger mates (other than how testosterone that makes males into men inevitably makes them bigger in general) as they don't want to end up gang raped and murdered, they want ONE partner who they can have a quid pro quo relationship with to be nice to each other. It's on the same scale as stockholm syndrome. From an evolutionary biology perspective, it was better to be with one shelfish man than alone.

It's not "chivalry" to NOT be absolute brutes to women. Chivalry doesn't mean open a door for a woman, it means don't drop a heavy door right on them. The term chivalry grew up from a time where denigration and exploitation of women was the norm, they were owned by the father till they were owned by the husband till they were owned by the eldest son. One was nice to women because they feared their male relatives. But when the male relative was the abuser, up till comparatively recently and only from the campaigning of feminists has this been cracked down.

The femaleness was not first raised by feminist, it is raised my men who exploit them for their physical weakness, conciliatory tendency, sexual desirability and use for bearing the greatest burden in breeding. The femaleness must be acknowledged.

Men value strength and too many will deride and denigrate women for not being as tall or as strong as men to the point of categorically defining any strong woman as "manish". They insult their conciliatory tendency as a weakness and liability that somehow perverts a perceived natural order of any excuse for extreme retribution. The double standard of sexual desirability of being sexy then they must be for servicing men and if they are not then they are worthless. And that children are their entire burden to bear still so many want to deny birth control and emergency contraception to women.

Patting on the back and telling to "man up" it a blatant machismo ritual. Back pats that would steel the constitution of a male would disrupt a woman who does not have such a tendency to resist physical force from men. You can see how this instinct evolved as women who fight back against men would only enrage men more, rolling with the blows less so.

 

[Treblaine]

People are terrible to other people? Tell me more of this strange developement...

I don't like most women, I find them self-absorbed airheads. I have the same issue with most men, but when I say it about men nobody loses his shit, they just assume (correctly) I am a weird loner.

People on the escapist excluded, off course

Its unusual to hear people so flatly try to excuse their misogyny with misanthropy.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

PS: people aren't supposed to be terrible to other people, otherwise the term "terrible" is not longer exceptional.

 

[Bassik]

People are terrible to other people? Tell me more of this strange developement...

I don't like most women, I find them self-absorbed airheads. I have the same issue with most men, but when I say it about men nobody loses his shit, they just assume (correctly) I am a weird loner.

People on the escapist excluded, off course

Its unusual to hear people so flatly try to excuse their misogyny with misanthropy.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

PS: people aren't supposed to be terrible to other people, otherwise the term "terrible" is not longer exceptional.

Two negatives can make a positive, look at maths man. Maths!

I'm not trying to excuse anything with misanthropy, I just think people have a tendency to be rubbish. Male or female. Yet you try to play the misogyny card against me, and I find that a pretty rubbish thing to do.

And unlike most people who don't care much for people, I don't think of myself as any better then the self absorbed airheads. It's just that I'm rubbish in a different, special snow flakey way. (Bum, full of himself, rareley sober)

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

SNIP

Well I think the problem of the misogyny is that it makes gaming feel less inclusive and that is a bitter problem.

Of course us girls don't need help off guys but it would be nice to be seen as just gamers and not a set of boobies. Even if it gets us treated nicer or poorer if you see what I mean. Which is why I pretty much agree with you even if I think the abuse is of a different flavour of nasty.

I've been gaming longer than a lot of people on this site have been alive and yet some lads online initially treat me like I'm somebodies random clueless girlfriend who doesn't know her butt from her elbow or simply say tits or gtfo. It gets very grating...

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Everything has been said really, treat people equally online.

BUT that said, can we stop having 'girl gamers' identifying themselves as if it's the only thing worth knowing about them? Equality isn't going to come about until these people get over themselves and realise it works both ways: You're a female, you play games. If you feel like you should be treated like every other person, stop putting emphasis on the fact that you are a female as if it SHOULD make a difference to how you are perceived.

But I'm a male, so my opinion doesn't count.

 

[Bassik]

Male or female... the only thing I am interested in is if they like Mario, and if they do, then they are my friends.

 

[Treblaine]

I just take this as proof that chivalry isn't dead, just lying on the floor convulsing.

In the words of Dave Chapelle, "Chivalry is dead, and women killed it."
I'm not sure what the comedy/truth ratio is there but it's damn funny.

Men and women didn't get along before. Men were fine, they told women to be quiet and lie back and think of England.

Dave seems to be reminiscing on his childhood when adult inter-gender iterations were idealised to children, and the differences between boys and girls were quite trivial. Historically men have gotten on TERRIBLY with women. Black men were able to vote in America before any woman of any race.

Chivalry comes from the days when women were treated as property. Violence against women was a crime against he father or husband, like how killing a slave was considered property damage rather than murder.

He's very true that men need women more than women need men. And once they are no longer subjugated and kept ill informed the men become superfluous. Look at a lion pack, the lionesses do everything to keep the pack alive from hunting to lookouts to caring for the young, what does the male lion do? Kills other lions. Even cubs. That's his role, to kill his own species. Lionesses are caught in an evolutionary trap, that they cannot escape from because they don't get to chose their male partners, the meanest lions kill the weaker lions and even all their cubs and forcibly impregnate the lionesses.

The implied subtitle to "100 ways to please your man" is "... so you don't have to suck his dick". It could equally be titled "100 ways to easily placate your man". See Dave Chapelle has got it backwards by reading it literally, he thinks this is how to make him happy. This is just to stop him being a drain on the wife. But maybe that is the joke, but the joke is on the men.

Here's a crazy thought, women like their breast for SOME OTHER REASON than to service men. Women appreciate the female form, especially their own female form.

I like my hands, I think they are pretty cool, I don't want to hide them. That doesn't mean I want someone to hire me to do manual labour because I show that I have hands.

Women may be emotional, but men seem far more prevalent to assume their emotions are factual. As in "I got angry and punched him" is not following the fact, it may be RATIONALISED as having a logical reason for being violent but the decision was made before hand and it was an emotional one. Men just don't want to acknowledge their emotions when emotions are in fact our ultimate drive, without them we wouldn't do ANYTHING! We wouldn't ever eat because we'd never be afraid of dying from starvation.

 

[Treblaine]

People are terrible to other people? Tell me more of this strange developement...

I don't like most women, I find them self-absorbed airheads. I have the same issue with most men, but when I say it about men nobody loses his shit, they just assume (correctly) I am a weird loner.

People on the escapist excluded, off course

Its unusual to hear people so flatly try to excuse their misogyny with misanthropy.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

PS: people aren't supposed to be terrible to other people, otherwise the term "terrible" is not longer exceptional.

Two negatives can make a positive, look at maths man. Maths!

I'm not trying to excuse anything with misanthropy, I just think people have a tendency to be rubbish. Male or female. Yet you try to play the misogyny card against me, and I find that a pretty rubbish thing to do.

And unlike most people who don't care much for people, I don't think of myself as any better then the self absorbed airheads. It's just that I'm rubbish in a different, special snow flakey way. (Bum, full of himself, rareley sober)

Yes, if you MULTIPLY two negatives together. You are adding those two thing together with how you interact. If you have a bank account where you are in debt of $50 to one bank and to another bank in debt $70, that doesn't mean you are in the green, you are in total debt of $120. How could you multiply two negative quantities of human attitudes? You can't. Only add them together.

Why hate people because they are rubbish, if everyone is equally rubbish maybe the problem is not the people but the standard they are compared to to be declared rubbish. Maybe you need to adjust your expectations both of others and of yourself.

It's good to be humble, but rubbish is a relative term: the used and unwanted leftovers of something that was better. But what was that un-used original if everyone is rubbish? But saying everyone isn't exceptional is a tautology. Maybe you need to accept people for what they are and appreciate all they have to offer and all they can do.

Misogyny is not relative to treatment of men, it is relevant to some wider subjective assessment of decency.

 

[zefiris]

Women don't need people to protect them.

Women don't need white knights.

Ah, this is the final line of the sexist nerd whining about women that are speaking up: Accuse everyone of not being a woman but instead of being a male white-knighting women.

It's funny, women get routinely harassed far harsher than any man, which men ignore, but when women complain, suddenly they aren't counted as women, because in the opinion of many, women evidently cannot speak up. Because women are polite and meek or something, or what?

Most of the people complaining about it are women.

Women don't need to be treated differently.

Yes. Which means, for example, that the vicious harassment women that speak up get should stop. Men never get even close to the amount of abuse a woman gets just for having a blog.

My sister blogs about toys and german p&p rpgs. She made the mistake of mentioning her being a woman in one blog post.

Ever since then, she got harassing emails and threats. None ever came before. Her only comment on sexism was one blog post having a single sentence about guys that talk over her during a P&P session. Enough for the male nerd brigade to bring out the rape threats, though.

Women do need to be treated like a human being, not a gender.

Yes, and that means that campaigns of rape threats, attempts to dig up private addresses to make hate-calls, and general sexism need to stop.

It's no more wrong to call a woman a sexist slur than it is to call a man a dickhead.

Actually, it is more wrong. A "dickhead" is a generally mild insult that carries exactly zero baggage with it. Sexist insults, on the other hand, do.

It's why sexist men use sexist insults against women, instead of "dickhead".

So stop treating women like helpless children that need to be shielded

Nobody is doing this. Stop bringing up imaginary issues.