Would Gaming be better off without Halo?

[The Kangaroo]

Would we be better of without Halo?
That's like asking if we would be better of without electricity.

No it isn't, not remotely so.

 

[The Kangaroo]

Would gaming be better off without halo? Probably not

Would gaming be better off without halo fanboys who think its the holy friggin grail of all that is good and awesome in gaming? Hell yes

(btw i really like halo too, it was the first game I played on my original xbox)

That is pretty much my point minus Halo inspiring other games

 

[iBroham]

How sir, did you arrive at the conclusion that
Halo showed companies the profits in being unoriginal?

I have also prepped some not entirely unoriginal statements for discussion.
Would the world of women be better off without makeup?
Would men be better of without reproductive organs?
Would pies be better off without filling?

video games != tea, make tea not war in rl, all wars are to be fought in battle.net

 

[The Kangaroo]

How sir, did you arrive at the conclusion that
Halo showed companies the profits in being unoriginal?

I have also prepped some not entirely unoriginal statements for discussion.
Would the world of women be better off without makeup?
Would men be better of without reproductive organs?
Would pies be better off without filling?

video games != tea, make tea not war in rl, all wars are to be fought in battle.net

...what?

 

[keybird]

No, no no no no no no no no no.

Halo did not stop smaller titles and companies to not thrive, the mainstream did. Which now a days is hate towards Halo

 

[Rawker]

I'm not a diehard Halo fan. Does that mean it shouldn't exist? No. It was a building block. It was the first HUGE game for xbox live and multiplayer. Should it be worshipped on a pedistal like it is now? No. You don't rave that Pac-Man was the greatest game in history, and neither should you for Halo. Halo got us places; that's great, now quit beating that well-dead horse and focus on moving forward.

 

[Hussmann54]

Would gaming be better off without halo? Probably not

Would gaming be better off without halo fanboys who think its the holy friggin grail of all that is good and awesome in gaming? Hell yes

(btw i really like halo too, it was the first game I played on my original xbox)

That is pretty much my point minus Halo inspiring other games

Thank you! Take away the fan boys and kill the bastard off-shoot children games...

 

[Nomanslander]

halo is one of the greatest games to hit the shelves and whats so wrong with unorginality.

LoL, can't disagree with you any more from this statement.

But anyways back to the question.

NO....for all it's faults it's still a pretty good game, the problem isn't the game it's the hype that goes with it. This is the type of game that makes me hate the audience more than the actual game, but then again video gaming is still a young adolescent teenager at heart so I can't really judge the audience either.

These are one of those games I really don't know what to say about it, I guess what I'd really like to see is the FPS genre grow up a bit like I have. So as long as FPS genre has games for my taste I'm ok with it.

Oh and what was wrong with Killzone 2, sure it was a game about dumb marines being done for the 149,484,224x in an FPS...but it had an evil Winston Churchill which gives the game 10+ in my book...^^

 

[NeutralDrow]

I notice you conveniently ignored my counterpoint in favor of offering a vague and random statement.

I was explaining my point because apparently you didn't get it.

You brought up an anecdote about your friend arguing with you on the point of video games as art, when you stumbled on your friend shallowly blowing up aliens.

I countered that it could just as easily have been the other way around, and that your point was very badly supported.

So wait. The Void didn't sell well because it got no publicity, and I'm assuming you mean "because they didn't market it" rather than "because no one cared" (this game has been out for one month in downloadable English form). Who's fault is that, exactly, and how does it have anything to do with your point?

It did have publicity, In Russia and Atari made the english one so it is their fault

Okay then. Could you connect it to the rest of what you're trying to say? I didn't think Atari made Halo, for instance.

I have no idea what you're saying, and I'm starting to suspect that you don't either.

I'm saying that even though those comics were good (like Halo) they proved that it was profitable and so the shit copies pushed it into a bad place

And you somehow think that things would be different if your pet artistic games were the ones proving profitable?

It could sacrifice fun and attractive game design in favor of making totally irrelevant artistic points.

Is the Dark Knight fun? Is The Godfather? Transformers is and so is Halo. So to answer your question, yes I would sacrifice fun for a truly good games because I love games and I want to see a truly good one.

I'm assuming you want me to answer yes to those first two questions. I haven't seen either, so I'd have to go by their reputations.

Games can have good stories without being any less fun (Metal Gear, Halo, some of the Final Fantasy series, most Tales games, Psychonauts, Devil May Cry 3, etc.) A game that sacrifices fun to make a point is almost by definition not a good game. It's a pretentious game.

 

[The Kangaroo]

NO....for all it's faults it's still a pretty good game, the problem isn't the game it's the hype that goes with it. This is the type of game that makes me hate the audience more than the actual game, but then again video gaming is still a young adolescent teenager at heart so I can't really judge the audience either.

These are one of those games I really don't know what to say about it, I guess what I'd really like to see is the FPS genre grow up a bit like I have. So as long as FPS genre has games for my taste I'm ok with it.

Oh and what was wrong with Killzone 2, sure it was a game about dumb marines being done for the 149,484,224x in an FPS...but it had an evil Winston Churchill which gives the game 10+ in my book...^^

*sigh* Just once I wish people would read the comments before they comment.

 

[Ph33nix]

no. it made console gaming

 

[iBroham]

How sir, did you arrive at the conclusion that
Halo showed companies the profits in being unoriginal?

I have also prepped some not entirely unoriginal statements for discussion.
Would the world of women be better off without makeup?
Would men be better of without reproductive organs?
Would pies be better off without filling?

video games != tea, make tea not war in rl, all wars are to be fought in battle.net

...what?

sigh
My point was Kangaroo just seems angry about 12 year old twats ruining it for the old fogeys by being the target audience for video games thus in some obscure way having a say in the type of video games being made for the mass masses / target audience.

@Kangaroo - Why not support indie games developers you whining split arse! Google UMBRA by peanut butter fingers. There one example of artistic indie games that abound, which you are just too lazy and spoon fed to go and find instead you make rediculously tenuos links (causality) that any idiot can counter. Try harder for thread titles please.

side note: i am aware that even replying to this negates part of my argument about pointless threads

 

[e2density]

No, then all the 7 year olds would play my precious Valve games

 

[Nomanslander]

*sigh* Just once I wish people would read the comments before they comment.

most people just want to drop their two cents and leave...this topic is pointless reading all the way through....=(

 

[The Kangaroo]

I notice you conveniently ignored my counterpoint in favor of offering a vague and random statement.

I was explaining my point because apparently you didn't get it.

You brought up an anecdote about your friend arguing with you on the point of video games as art, when you stumbled on your friend shallowly blowing up aliens.

I countered that it could just as easily have been the other way around, and that your point was very badly supported.

So wait. The Void didn't sell well because it got no publicity, and I'm assuming you mean "because they didn't market it" rather than "because no one cared" (this game has been out for one month in downloadable English form). Who's fault is that, exactly, and how does it have anything to do with your point?

1. It did have publicity, In Russia and Atari made the english one so it is their fault

Okay then. Could you connect it to the rest of what you're trying to say? I didn't think Atari made Halo, for instance.

I have no idea what you're saying, and I'm starting to suspect that you don't either.

I'm saying that even though those comics were good (like Halo) they proved that it was profitable and so the shit copies pushed it into a bad place

And you somehow think that things would be different if your pet artistic games were the ones proving profitable?

It could sacrifice fun and attractive game design in favor of making totally irrelevant artistic points.

Is the Dark Knight fun? Is The Godfather? Transformers is and so is Halo. So to answer your question, yes I would sacrifice fun for a truly good games because I love games and I want to see a truly good one.

2. I'm assuming you want me to answer yes to those first two questions. I haven't seen either, so I'd have to go by their reputations.

3. Games can have good stories without being any less fun (Metal Gear, Halo, some of the Final Fantasy series, most Tales games, Psychonauts, Devil May Cry 3, etc.) A game that sacrifices fun to make a point is almost by definition not a good game. It's a pretentious game.

1. You were blaming IPL for their marketing
2. You assumed wrong
3. Having a good story does not make the game artistic just as a well drawn painting is not necessarily art

 

[The Kangaroo]

My point was Kangaroo just seems angry about 12 year old twats ruining it for the old fogeys by being the target audience for video games thus in some obscure way having a say in the type of video games being made for the mass masses / target audience.

@Kangaroo - Why not support indie games developers you whining split arse! Google UMBRA by peanut butter fingers. There one example of artistic indie games that abound, which you are just too lazy and spoon fed to go and find instead you make rediculously tenuos links (causality) that any idiot can counter. Try harder for thread titles please.

side note: i am aware that even replying to this negates part of my argument about pointless threads

How does that have anything to do with your point and I play loads of indie games so why don't you fucking ask before you go around insulting me for something

 

[Giest118]

I remember when games weren't as popular, in the days before Halo. Developers tried to make good games rather than profitable games.

 

[Freshmaker]

You know that Humanity are the descendants of the Forerunners, right? Well, the Prophets found this out, and decided that if the rest of the Covenant knew, they would lose their "congregation". These power hungry leaders didn't like that idea, not one bit, so they decided to eliminate humanity so no one would find out. Sounds like a good enough motivation to me.

Where did you get that because that is not mentioned in the games and if you say the books those are authors filling in those gaps in story so they don't count

How about the book penned by the guy who wrote Halo's script? So yes, that particular book DOES count.

I disagree. Gaming has been the way he described it (fun and polished) since the beginning, back when games didn't need a story. And it has continued that way until recently. Hideo Kojima doesn't see games as an art form, and his are some of the games that I consider art. Extremely polished controls, first and foremost, followed by interesting characters and story. Being playable and fun is the most important aspect of a game, because no one is going to give a rats ass about your fancy story if it's too tedious to advance the plot. There are plenty of games that succeed on both accounts, story and gameplay, and these are "art"

Hideo Kojima makes movies wrapped in cliche and slaps game elements onto them who's games are not art because they deny you the things that make gaming unique; Exploration and you can tell your own story.

Oh, so in order to be artsy, it has to tell a good story, control well AND let you run around in a sandbox? Spare me. Sandbox games were fun at first, now they are everywhere and have overstayed their welcome. A big sandbox does not make a good game. Games are just another medium to tell a story, and there is no way to "tell your own story" without the game being absolute shite. If you want that, get RPG Maker or something. You play a game as an interactive movie/book, cause that's what it is, a story telling medium. Deal with it.

This debate is pointless, it's all a matter of opinion. You think MGS sucks, I disagree. Neither of us is right, however. Much the same way with Halo. You like it or you don't, and that's that. It seems to me that you just wanted to prove how savvy and intellectual you are (or THINK you are), so you started this topic. Mentioning Citizen Kane and how much you love Indie games all the time, like the fact that you do like them makes you better than the Average Joe, doesn't do anything to help dispel that impression.

 

[iBroham]

My point was Kangaroo just seems angry about 12 year old twats ruining it for the old fogeys by being the target audience for video games thus in some obscure way having a say in the type of video games being made for the mass masses / target audience.

@Kangaroo - Why not support indie games developers you whining split arse! Google UMBRA by peanut butter fingers. There one example of artistic indie games that abound, which you are just too lazy and spoon fed to go and find instead you make rediculously tenuos links (causality) that any idiot can counter. Try harder for thread titles please.

side note: i am aware that even replying to this negates part of my argument about pointless threads

How does that have anything to do with your point and I play loads of indie games so why don't you fucking ask before you go around insulting me for something

My point= your thread post is crap.
Try harder, think through a relevant point worth discussing.
You say you play loads of indie games why not write about one of them and how those are closer to the CItizen Kane of video games.

Or why not write about how big budgets do not a good gaming experience make?

Or why not write about your definition of a good game or expand on your idea about what a citizen kane of games would look like?

See those are topics worth talking about not some tenuos cow dung you barely thought through.

Now p8ss off.