Would you buy a Call of Duty game if you got to play as a Nazi?
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I don't think the difference is so little. But that's irrelevant, as Stalin was probably the biggest dick of all, but I still enjoy playing with Russians in these games. As I would with Japanese because I would find it interesting, while I would not enjoy playing as a Nazi, but I won't state the reasons because maybe I'll be considered intolerant (maybe I am) . So my opinion stays. I respect your as well though.Billion Backs said:
Yeah, I'd buy it. Don't see why I wouldn't; I'm not one of them sensitive "this will offend someone"
Of course! WW2 games have always lacked an Axis campaign! It would be so interesting to see the war before the eyes of a Nazi soldier. Of course, they shouldn't win in the end though. They could script it so that you fight a different soldier in every mission!
Hell yeah, Stalin was a dick. As a 100% Russian I can agree on that.silasbufu said:
Of course, in retrospect pretty much any dictator with sufficient enough power, and especially during a big war, is a huge dick. And if you remove the dictator, the people still might democratically choose another dick to replace the previous one. Usually of lesser magnitude, of course.
And as it is with most view points, the opposition always seems like bigger dicks even if in the end they're doing the same things you do.
Japanese weren't exactly angels, y'know. Just because we choose to paint the Nazis as the biggest dicks of the first half of the 20th century, for generally good reasons, doesn't really mean there aren't plenty other countries with their own skeletons in the closet. Considering how expansionist, militaristic and generally xenophobic Japan was up until the end of World War 2 (And the latter for quite a bit longer) it's not hard to imagine stuff not that unlike holocaust.
yes I would mind it, however playing as the wehrmacht I would not.
EDIT: also thing about japanese being less evil then Nazis. My rebuttal: The Rape of Nanking.
EDIT: also thing about japanese being less evil then Nazis. My rebuttal: The Rape of Nanking.
so your saying that every american soldier now is a black democrate becouse the president is a black democrate? or are they republicans that choke on pretzels like the president that send them to war?brainslurper said:
sorry dude but your just a ...
back to topic, if it is a good game and not some political bull... yes i would give it a try
Uhm, no, everyone was not a nazi. Everyone was not an anti-semist and a racsist. My grandma and her family for one beg the differ. You're not part of something just because you roll with it, just because Sweden is currently being lead by (supposedly) liberal conservatists, that doesn't mean that everyone in Sweden is a liberal conservatist. Nor does our democracy mean that everyone in Sweden is a democrat.ThongBonerstorm said:
Edit: Kind of missed out on the soldier part, hah, but there were plenty of people that only wanted to fight for their homeland or were simply force-conscripted.
jahwhol! no I,m not a Nazi nor German it would be interesting to play as the oposite side although the story,s that are gonna be made up by Fox News are gonna be more interesting
I, as a german, would not want that.
I know, I´m beeing overly pussy about it, but the entire episode in history is a national trauma and just makes me sick everytime I think about it. Because I know it could have been me in that position, in a society unable to rid itself of the greatest horrors ever inflicted by man upon man.
I know this sounds melodramatic, but really, we do not joke about this.
I always hate it when you can play as nazi-germany in rts, because I can not bring myself to want to win. If I win, the implications are so horrible, I do not want to play it.
Of course, in an fps the victories will be far smaller, and because it is cod the americans will win in the end. But I don´t think I could deal very well with beeing associated with the enactors of the most heinous crimes more than I already am by birth.
Of course not every Wehrmacht soldier was a nazi! That doesn´t change that he was fighting for their cause, voluntarily or not.
I know, I´m beeing overly pussy about it, but the entire episode in history is a national trauma and just makes me sick everytime I think about it. Because I know it could have been me in that position, in a society unable to rid itself of the greatest horrors ever inflicted by man upon man.
I know this sounds melodramatic, but really, we do not joke about this.
I always hate it when you can play as nazi-germany in rts, because I can not bring myself to want to win. If I win, the implications are so horrible, I do not want to play it.
Of course, in an fps the victories will be far smaller, and because it is cod the americans will win in the end. But I don´t think I could deal very well with beeing associated with the enactors of the most heinous crimes more than I already am by birth.
Of course not every Wehrmacht soldier was a nazi! That doesn´t change that he was fighting for their cause, voluntarily or not.
Em what war did you study in school? The Germans made absolutely shit decisions with the Pact of Steel and going off to fight in the Africa Campaign. The only thing the German army could do is attack. So once the Battle of Britain was over and Luftwaffe got its ass kicked it was more or less over on the Western Front. Same as in Stalingrad in the Eastern Front. Same as El Alemein(I think) in Africa. Once the German army was taken off the offensive there was nothing they could do as their army was built for lightning quick crippling offense ie Blitzkreig. So German did not kick Europe's ass as the only European countries it really beat were France Poland and a few of the Scandinavian ones. It did extend into the Eastern block but most of those were part of the USSR at the time so that was just one country.xRagnarok19 said:
OT: I would not buy the game because it is a CoD game. After what they did to the series on the PC in MW2. I don't think I can play a CoD game past CoD4 nor do I want to.
Yes. I would. I've always wanted a WW2 shooter in which you play on the other side for a change.
Ahem. Read up on any European country's war-crimes,or even America's war-crimes. Don't try to blame it all on Germany. TrollololololALuckyChance said:
If they made a decent game of it. But I'm afraid such a game (especially when designed in America) will lead to the following:
1. All Germans are Nazi's
2. All Germans hate Jews, Gipsy's and gays. (Not even all Nazi's held these beliefs, most were just opportunistic, even the current pope was part of the Hitlerjugend)
3. You'll never kill an American
4. All concentration camps would be death camps
5. The Germans would constantly make racist remarks.
6. Real History would be raped.
The reality, which is still hard to accept for some, is that most Germans in the Wehrmacht were normal boys, not unlike the American or British soldiers. There were probably some scumbags in the German army, but it wouldn't be much different from the American or British army. Yes, German generals were ruthless, but how about the bombing of Dresden at a point where it wasn't needed anymore?
I think such a game will not exist for at least another 20 years, since it means that people will need to adjust their view of the Germans in the war. And it's much more easier to just see the Germans 1933-45 as the ultimate evil.
1. All Germans are Nazi's
2. All Germans hate Jews, Gipsy's and gays. (Not even all Nazi's held these beliefs, most were just opportunistic, even the current pope was part of the Hitlerjugend)
3. You'll never kill an American
4. All concentration camps would be death camps
5. The Germans would constantly make racist remarks.
6. Real History would be raped.
The reality, which is still hard to accept for some, is that most Germans in the Wehrmacht were normal boys, not unlike the American or British soldiers. There were probably some scumbags in the German army, but it wouldn't be much different from the American or British army. Yes, German generals were ruthless, but how about the bombing of Dresden at a point where it wasn't needed anymore?
I think such a game will not exist for at least another 20 years, since it means that people will need to adjust their view of the Germans in the war. And it's much more easier to just see the Germans 1933-45 as the ultimate evil.
I'll throw my hat in with some of the previous posters. Please try not to use the terms 'Nazis' and 'Germans' as interchangeable with regard to WWII. It's a foolish assumption. Not every soldier in the German army was a nazi. If you want something that more fits that bill, look to the Waffen-SS. A lot of these guys fought and died because they had to, and a campaign surrounding them would no less compelling than any other that has been done before.
I'll set aside the idea that not every game or story has to have a happy 'we win' scenario to be an enjoyable or good story (save that for another topic). For a campaign you could probably do what most strategy games with German campaigns have done, set it during one of the many battles in which Germany won. Things didn't automatically turn into a roflstomp once the allies got involved ya know. There were successes and failures on all fronts.
I'll set aside the idea that not every game or story has to have a happy 'we win' scenario to be an enjoyable or good story (save that for another topic). For a campaign you could probably do what most strategy games with German campaigns have done, set it during one of the many battles in which Germany won. Things didn't automatically turn into a roflstomp once the allies got involved ya know. There were successes and failures on all fronts.