would you ever become vegan?

[TheRightToArmBears]

No. Complete no. If we weren't meant to eat animals then they should stop being so tasty, and producing things that can be made into more tastiness.

Still, I guess beer is vegan, so there's a chance.

 

[Flamezdudes]

I love how my RE teacher put it.

We evolved to have bigger and better brains by eating lots of protein/meat and now that we have a large amount of intelligence we suddenly complain about eating meat.

Eating meat got us to the point of complaing about eating meat. Hehe.

 

[llew]

if it gave me super-human powers like in scott pilgrim vs the world yes, but as that seems physically impossible no, too much work for not much gain

 

[CarpathianMuffin]

If it were for health reasons, yes. Meat and animal products are an option for me that I wouldn't particularly mind giving up.
Though since that'd be highly unlikely to happen, I won't go vegan anytime soon.

 

[thethingthatlurks]

Also, I've never suggested eating cellulose, nor have I claimed to be able to digest it. I have no idea why you went on to rant about that, so either you did not read my post, want to put words into my mouth, or your expertise doesn't extend beyond one particular primate's ability to digest plant matter. I know we can't digest it, but eating is pretty damn harmless.

I used it as an example for how physiology matters. While we may have the same bio-chemical pathways as gorillas or cows, they can still do something we can't, live on stuff we can't live on.

I'm trying to say that there's a lot more to diet than bio-chemistry, especially when we're talking about the natural environment. Modern humans aren't concerned with a lot of things related to eating that you would be concerned about when living in the wild. Just go watch Ray Mears or Les Stroud programs.

So essentially you are asserting that physiology is important, as one species has the ability to generate cellulase in their digestive system, while another does not? Cellulase catalyzed hydrolysis of cellulose just yields sugar, from which the normal pathways (glycolysis/gluconeogeneis, etc) follow. This isn't something unique, or even critical. This is just an example of how different organisms get the same "fuel" from different sources. You're right, humans cannot digest cellulose, but we can digest protein and carbohydrates. We can still utilize the same food a gorilla consumes, although far less efficiently. And we could still get vitamins and minerals from them, which is far more important, at least provided there are other sources of nourishment around.

 

[Grospoliner]

No, as an omnivorous species, it is actually unnatural for mankind to not eat meat.

 

[Mnemophage]

I could, but I don't particularly want to.

I did the vegan experiment for a short time in high school, as an attempt to lose weight. Not only did it not work as intended, it proved to be both equal amounts expensive and problematic. I suddenly found myself having to pay very close attention to what I ate, not to mention incapable of eating out with friends. This nutritional excursion lasted about three weeks: long enough to prove to myself that I was capable of maintaining that kind of diet if I truly needed, and more than enough to discover that I really didn't want to.

Oddly enough, the habits of checking labels and cooking for myself translated well when I finally did make a concentrated effort to lose weight. Also, after my flirtation with self-denial, I've grown curious about exotic meats that my Western habitation doesn't usually have access to - I'll now always try anything I haven't had before, regardless of whether it was alive and capable of love at one point.

 

[Cakes]

So-called "moral" veganism is a big myth. Plants are living things. Micro-organisms are living things. You're eating them.

ITP: There is no difference between a horse and pasta.

 

[gbemery]

...should reduce or fully stop meat consumption, not only for overall health but also for the sake of overall ethics.

I like how you try to make it sound like vegans are ethically superior to us meat eaters, and yes a vegan diet has certain health benefits but so does a normal diet with meats. So your point there is moot.

not ethically superior, humans constantly revise their ethics and law systems as time goes by to suite their current situation and surroundings better. maybe we'll reach a point where we can do whatever we want without causing as much suffering and confusion as we do today

holy shit, i hate how everytime i try to talk about veganism someone accuses me of trying to preach it or take moral highground without really thinking about what i said.

it's not that the meat is murdered, it's how its murdered

Well it has to do with how you present your point of view. When you say something like for the sake of "overall" ethics its sounds like you are trying to say your view point is superior to others. If you were talking about the specifics of the overall ethical treatment of animals then you need to specify that especially on a medium such as the internet. I don't have a problem with vegans etc just as long as they don't try to preach that they are morally, healthy, or ethically superior to everyone that follows a more natural diet, and to specify I am not say you are trying to preach, just be mindful.

 

[RanD00M]

Vegan = No Bacon
And we all know that no bacon is no good.

 

[Gardenia]

No!
I have, however, considered going full carnivore.

 

[SsilverR]

...should reduce or fully stop meat consumption, not only for overall health but also for the sake of overall ethics.

I like how you try to make it sound like vegans are ethically superior to us meat eaters, and yes a vegan diet has certain health benefits but so does a normal diet with meats. So your point there is moot.

not ethically superior, humans constantly revise their ethics and law systems as time goes by to suite their current situation and surroundings better. maybe we'll reach a point where we can do whatever we want without causing as much suffering and confusion as we do today

holy shit, i hate how everytime i try to talk about veganism someone accuses me of trying to preach it or take moral highground without really thinking about what i said.

it's not that the meat is murdered, it's how its murdered

Well it has to do with how you present your point of view. When you say something like for the sake of "overall" ethics its sounds like you are trying to say your view point is superior to others. If you were talking about the specifics of the overall ethical treatment of animals then you need to specify that especially on a medium such as the internet. I don't have a problem with vegans etc just as long as they don't try to preach that they are morally, healthy, or ethically superior to everyone that follows a more natural diet, and to specify I am not say you are trying to preach, just be mindful.

fair enough, by overall ethics i meant the treatment of animals in general, it's ok and perfectly natural to eat meat but I hope one day the people who do choose to indulge in it have the security of knowing that animals aren't treated as badly in their time as they are in ours, their meat and produce isn't tainted and hopefully everyone will be more at peace with the world and each other regardless of lifestyle choice.

Not sure how realistic that is since even young people nowadays are aware that there are many issues that are currently leading the world to shit, animal treatment being the least of our problems.
It is honestly tiring though (in all fairness i brought it upon myself with this thread) i'm trying to defend a lifestyle i haven't even been fully initiated to yet and i'm currently by no standards a vegan. (the term full vegan i now know to be extremely unrealistic)

At the very least this was a very educational experience, i learned alot about my new lifestyle and i think i've cleared up some of misconceptions a few other people had.
The majority of the escapist community is definitely one to be respected.

Thank you for your input

 

[DarkhoIlow]

In the right circumstances,such as being forced too or threatened then perhaps I would indeed turn vegan.

Otherwise,no.

 

[Ashsaver]

Pure Vegans should consider living in Asia,this continent has the best Vegan food in the world.

I live in Asia,but I'm not converting to full-time pure Vegan anytime soon.

 

[gbemery]

...should reduce or fully stop meat consumption, not only for overall health but also for the sake of overall ethics.

I like how you try to make it sound like vegans are ethically superior to us meat eaters, and yes a vegan diet has certain health benefits but so does a normal diet with meats. So your point there is moot.

not ethically superior, humans constantly revise their ethics and law systems as time goes by to suite their current situation and surroundings better. maybe we'll reach a point where we can do whatever we want without causing as much suffering and confusion as we do today

holy shit, i hate how everytime i try to talk about veganism someone accuses me of trying to preach it or take moral highground without really thinking about what i said.

it's not that the meat is murdered, it's how its murdered

Well it has to do with how you present your point of view. When you say something like for the sake of "overall" ethics its sounds like you are trying to say your view point is superior to others. If you were talking about the specifics of the overall ethical treatment of animals then you need to specify that especially on a medium such as the internet. I don't have a problem with vegans etc just as long as they don't try to preach that they are morally, healthy, or ethically superior to everyone that follows a more natural diet, and to specify I am not say you are trying to preach, just be mindful.

fair enough, by overall ethics i meant the treatment of animals in general, it's ok and perfectly natural to eat meat but I hope one day the people who do choose to indulge in it have the security of knowing that animals aren't treated as badly in their time as they are in ours, their meat and produce isn't tainted and hopefully everyone will be more at peace with the world and each other regardless of lifestyle choice.

Not sure how realistic that is since even young people nowadays are aware that there are many issues that are currently leading the world to shit, animal treatment being the least of our problems.
It is honestly tiring though (in all fairness i brought it upon myself with this thread) i'm trying to defend a lifestyle i haven't even been fully initiated to yet and i'm currently by no standards a vegan. (the term full vegan i now know to be extremely unrealistic)

At the very least this was a very educational experience, i learned alot about my new lifestyle and i think i've cleared up some of misconceptions a few other people had.
The majority of the escapist community is definitely one to be respected.

Thank you for your input

I wish animals could get treated decently before they were slaughtered but there are always going to be assholes who mistreat them and that is a shame. I wish you luck on your chosen lifestyle.

 

[RevRaptor]

I see some people saying that you can live on a completely plant based diet in the wild. Well why don't ya come to my country and try that. I dare ya.
I live in New Zealand and if you tried that shit here you would starve to death very quickly. Hell why don't you hop across the ditch to Australia, you wouldn't even last long enough to starve to death there.

I am of course kidding, please don't die in the bush here. Thing is we always get a few people wandering into the bush trying to do the one with nature thing. Sadly a lot of them are never seen again. Thing is nature down here in the South Island is pretty to look at but a real ***** to survive in. It's cold there's stuff all to eat and its really easy to get lost. It might be hard to imagine if you haven't been in it but the deep bush here is not meant for human feet to tread. Inhospitable does not even begin to describe it and do I even need to tell you about Australia. You get stuck in the outback with no food or water you will most likely be dead before night fall.

You want to be a vegan that's fine but don't you dare tell me its natural.




at Beliyal:
wow dude you really can't write a short post can you. lol
I see where you are coming from. I don't want vegans to starve to death any more than you do and I do believe people have the rite to their own beliefs . If you chose to eat a vegan diet well that's your choice. What I'm trying to convey is that it is a choice I could not make in good conscience because I value plants and animals equally. Because of the beliefs I have I can not justify saying plant lives are less important than animals. I kill both plants and animals but only if I have a reason to do so. I will not pluck a flower just because I can and I will not hunt for sport. That said sometimes that reason is just because it pissed me off. Hey I never said I put much value In life just equal. I'll still swat a fly if its buzzing around the room.

 

[Biosophilogical]

Besides, if you stop me from drinking mah milk, I will CLUB you.

Bingo Baby! You try and take my milk from me and I will caue you to experience unspeakable horrors for your crimes against my diet.

OT: I'd go full vegan if there was a conceivable and applicable medical reason to do so (like I suddenly become violently[footnote]How hilarious would it be if the use of the word 'violently' in terms of external chemical reactions (such as allergies or poison) actually meant that you physicaaly assaulted the cause of the reaction rather than the 'cause' having the effect of vomiting, paralysis, deficating, etc?[/footnote] allergic to everything non-vegan)

Apart from that, if you try and take me away from eggs, milk, meat ... something else which comes from an animal, I will hurt you. A lot.

 

[Beliyal]

at Beliyal:
wow dude you really can't write a short post can you. lol
I see where you are coming from. I don't want vegans to starve to death any more than you do and I do believe people have the rite to their own beliefs . If you chose to eat a vegan diet well that's your choice. What I'm trying to convey is that it is a choice I could not make in good conscience because I value plants and animals equally. Because of the beliefs I have I can not justify saying plant lives are less important than animals. I kill both plants and animals but only if I have a reason to do so. I will not pluck a flower just because I can and I will not hunt for sport. That said sometimes that reason is just because it pissed me off. Hey I never said I put much value In life just equal. I'll still swat a fly if its buzzing around the room.

Yeah, sorry about the length, I have this inclination for writing boring novels XD
And I get it, it's fine. I usually hear people using these kind of arguments when they just want to argue and accomplish nothing. It's a fair argument, but raises a lot more questions and people I've met don't want to discuss them further. And I agree with not harming anything, plant or animal, if you don't have to. This is where we differ, as I usually let even the bugs go and I avoid killing them. If they don't bug me (no pun intended), I leave them be. And if I can avoid stepping on flowers/grass/plants in general, I avoid it at all costs. I also agree that being completely vegan is not exactly natural. But if the technology and the civilization made it possible, why not? I'm not sure if I could do it, but some people can and, oh well, good for them. I think anyone could, with a little bit of will, but no reason to force yourself into something you don't like.

 

[higgs20]

not unless there were psychic powers involved.