would you ever become vegan?

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Cakes

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blobby218 said:
of course he does. he's simply saying that a plant is part of an eco system like a sheep is part of a food chain, vegans are happily killing off parts of eco systems, also micro organisms may not be as sentient as us, but they function in an eco system and are alive, as are plants. Just because you can't think doesn't mean you are not alive.
There is a big difference between life and consciousness. Unless you want to argue anything alive has a right to life, this is pointless.
 
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Cakes said:
blobby218 said:
of course he does. he's simply saying that a plant is part of an eco system like a sheep is part of a food chain, vegans are happily killing off parts of eco systems, also micro organisms may not be as sentient as us, but they function in an eco system and are alive, as are plants. Just because you can't think doesn't mean you are not alive.
There is a big difference between life and consciousness. Unless you want to argue anything alive has a right to life, this is pointless.
Is a reptile incapable of basic emotion past hunger and sleep really any more difficult to see as inhuman then a plant?
 

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Well I guess if it gave me powers like it did in scott pilgrim then yeah I would go vegan but otherwise no just no I love eating cute cuddly animals to much to stop.
 

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Psycho Cat Industries said:
If Scientology didn't want us to eat animals then it wouldn't have invented meat.
lol
...what?

Psycho Cat Industries said:
Is a reptile incapable of basic emotion past hunger and sleep really any more difficult to see as inhuman then a plant?
Yes, much more so. The reptile is capable of pain, for one thing.
 
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Cakes said:
Psycho Cat Industries said:
If Scientology didn't want us to eat animals then it wouldn't have invented meat.
lol
...what?

Psycho Cat Industries said:
Is a reptile incapable of basic emotion past hunger and sleep really any more difficult to see as inhuman then a plant?
Yes, much more so. The reptile is capable of pain, for one thing.
Just making fun of a bumper sticker I read.It may be capable of pain but it does not comprehend more so then that.If it knows pain then it avoids it.It really is nothing special in that aspect.Now a horse,dolphin,or dog is far but something as cursed as a lizard,why bother?
 

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I've often heard the argument that humans are meant to be herbivorous on account of our dentition and inner workings being closer to that of herbivorous animals than to those of order Carnivora.

I've also heard, however, that the non-primate whose anatomy most closely resembles that of humanity is the pig. And swine, in their natural habitat, are omnivorous, opportunistic scavengers.
 

Baron von Blitztank

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Become a Vegan?
And live without bacon, steak, ham, pork, chicken, ostrich, human, duck, lamb, etc.?
I'd rather see myself starve then live without Bacon
 

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No, i have no problem with people who are vegan that's there choice an i respect that. However i do think that it's a monumentally stupid thing to do health wise. Humans evolved as omnivorous an we need a balanced diet for our body to function properly. Vegans are missing our on some key nutrients that are only found in meat and the only way they can get them is by supplements which is kinda cheating. What annoys me is the self righteous types that say people don't need to eat meat and try to convince you that it's just something you have been programed to do. Which is bull shit, look at your teeth. They are formed to both chew plant matter AND meat...evolution doesn't do shit without a reason. (yes i know that's not quite true but it's close enough)
 

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Farseer Lolotea said:
I've often heard the argument that humans are meant to be herbivorous on account of our dentition and inner workings being closer to that of herbivorous animals than to those of order Carnivora.

I've also heard, however, that the non-primate whose anatomy most closely resembles that of humanity is the pig. And swine, in their natural habitat, are omnivorous, opportunistic scavengers.
That's not true, our dentition and inner workings are not closer to herbivorous. We have not got enough stomachs for one thing nor do we posses a long enough intestinal tract, most plant matter is hard to brake down and our stomachs are not equipped with the correct enzymes or bacteria to brake down cellulose like herbivorous. Add to this the fact that our stomach acid is at the perfect pH to denature the proteins in meat and thus aide digestion and the only conclusion you can come to is that we are meant to have a diet of meat and plant matter.
 

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Cakes said:
Psycho Cat Industries said:
If Scientology didn't want us to eat animals then it wouldn't have invented meat.
lol
...what?

Psycho Cat Industries said:
Is a reptile incapable of basic emotion past hunger and sleep really any more difficult to see as inhuman then a plant?
Yes, much more so. The reptile is capable of pain, for one thing.
Well grain screams in the ultrasonic range when cut so it obviously knows some thing bad is happening and dude have you ever been around sheep. They really are not capable of thought if the are at the edge of a clip they get stuck because they is too dumb to figure out how to walk backwards. without farmers to take care of the they end up in a hell of a state. They are literally just waiting around to be eaten. Plant's are smarter than you think and a lot of animals are dumber than you think.

Why does a rose have thorns, it has thorns because it does not want to be eaten and plant's are capable of moment they move to follow the sun (their food) they sense it and actively move their bodies to follow it. Is this really any different than a sheep grazing in a field.
 

Farseer Lolotea

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x EvilErmine x said:
That's not true, our dentition and inner workings are not closer to herbivorous. We have not got enough stomachs for one thing nor do we posses a long enough intestinal tract, most plant matter is hard to brake down and our stomachs are not equipped with the correct enzymes or bacteria to brake down cellulose like herbivorous. Add to this the fact that our stomach acid is at the perfect pH to denature the proteins in meat and thus aide digestion and the only conclusion you can come to is that we are meant to have a diet of meat and plant matter.
I agree that that argument is nonsense: For example, the example of "omnivore" given is almost invariably "bear" (possibly either because "pig" would kill their argument, or because they're not aware of that).
 

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Keep up the good work guys! And on a lighter note:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/2317/saturday-night-live-cluckin-chicken

=)
 

MikeBrownYo

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I'm vegan. Have been for almost 5 years. Haven't eaten meat in almost 10.

You can say what you want about what humans are or are not "meant" to do. It's irrelevant to me. You can be a healthy meat eater and you can be a healthy vegan. You can also be an unhealthy meat eater or vegan (Captain obvious, right?)

But the industries that supply these products to people can be absolutely horrible. Both in an ethical and environmental sense. Even the best free range meats are still going to feel pain as they are slaughtered. Not everyone is going to care about that, but I am and that's why I won't eat meat.

I love animals, so I try to live a lifestyle that causes minimal harm to them. It's simple, really.
 

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Under 2 circumstances would I become Vegan:

1. I had a HOT girlfriend who was also a nympho who was vegan...and she cooked REALLY good vegan dinners for me, EVERY NIGHT.

2. If being vegan really did give vegan powers:
[http://img35.imageshack.us/i/brandonrouthz.jpg/]
 

flatten_the_skyline

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Ekonk said:
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No, because that is absolutely retarded.

No chicken died for your egg. No cow suffered for your milk.
Explanation?

most male chicks get scrambled as soon as they hatched. Most cows rarely see daylight and have lots of health problems including mental disorders.

Look, I don't like the moral debate, but please explain how you justify your comment.
That's not necessarily the way it has to be. This goes without saying that you don't buy the cheap ass shit made from animals who live their entire life knee deep in their own feces.

No, you pay some more and get these products from animals living in much better conditions.
What happens to the male chicken then? They must go somewhere...

Mj0ln1r said:
flatten_the_skyline said:
Mj0ln1r said:
If you wanna stay healthy EAT meat (and vegetables). Eating only vegetables will worsen your imune system, bones, muscles etc.
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Common sense. Do you know any vegan athlete?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vegans

for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Cheeke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Neshek
 

warprincenataku

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I'm an Ova-Lacto, although it's more like Ova only. I eat eggs to subsidize my protein needs. In my country the options are quite limited so eggs seem to be the best alternative.

Oddly enough there are a few vegetables off limits as well to 'Vegans' in Thailand. Garlic and celery I believe are two of them. Also, I don't think garlic constitutes a vegetable.