would you ever become vegan?

[ActionDan]

Hell no. We evolved eating meat and I intend to keep it that way.

 

[moretimethansense]

Sorry but going Vegan is actually pretty bad for you, the health benefits (if there are any) are probebly offset by the fact that we kind of need protiens and fats to survive, or at least stay healthy, I'm not gonna tell a vegan to "eat a fucking burger" but if your diet requires you at any point to take supplements or count out the protien level in the nuts you just ate, something is not right there.

Uhm, that's a load of crap. Soy protein is complete, so you can live on that. Plus beans, grains, nuts, etc contain all the nutrients you need. A vegan diet can be perfectly healthy, but requires bit of planning.

To get soy protein you have to extract it though don't you?
Not really something you'd find in a natural diet, and as I said without that planning you'd be pretty much fucked, at any rate if you wajt to do it then fine, I'm not gonna stop you, but it still isn't a natural diet by any means.

Load of crap part 2:
Soy are a type of beans, ergo each bean contains all necessary amino acids. You could eat them raw (if you have a grudge against your teeth), and still get all of those goody-goody nutrients. It is 100% natural, although speaking as a chemist I find the assertion that something is "unnatural" rather hilarious. No extractions are necessary, although if you do first grind them up, add water, mush it up, and then magnesium chloride or calcium sulfate, you get tofu. Hmm, tofu... Anyway, I guess that's the extraction you were referring to.

Basicly yeah, though I may not have made myself clear, I never meant to say that something being unnatural (By which I mean not found in this state in nature) was bad, simply that it wasn't natural, bread is not technicly natural, unless I've been lied to and they in fact sprout from bushes, it's just that many (though by no means all) vegans claim that a vegan diet is somehow more natural and healthy than a standard meat eating diet, which is a ridiculess assertation, particularly since if not for various modern conviniences a vegan diet would likely rtesult in sever health problems if not death.

A vegan diet is as natural as any other. Or do you know of any other animals who rely on heat to render meat safe to eat? Stating that one's diet is "more natural" than another is retarded...
It's a funny point, as raising animals is more costly than farming vegetables. Given the growth of the human population, meat might be getting so expensive that the only feasible option would be to maintain a vegetarian/vegan diet. Even with all of our modern technology, we simply cannot solve the problem of getting cows (or other animals) to grow muscles while consuming nothing but waste products...

Our diet requres mechanical interferance to work, that's pretty fucking unnatural if you ask me, but in short you could maintain a meat eating diet if humans had never developed civilisation, you simply couldn't maintain a vegan diet in nature, unless of course you lived in exactly the right part of the world that you could get protien rich plants year round by simply forraging.

And for the love of god!
Would you stop acting as though I was insulting veganism, I simplyy said in a naturat enviroment a vegan diet would. not. work.

As for needing to cook meat, that's generations of civilaisation for you, we used to be able to eat raw meat without the inevitable food poisoning.

 

[SsilverR]

We didn't fight our way to the top of the food chain to just eat salad.

Agreed! Lets make a support group for carnivores where they can call and talk if they ever feel oppressed and stuff! And have rallies to get our voices heard!... Oh wait, we're carnivores and awesome, so we dont need sissy support groups and meetings.

So keep on being awesome carnivores!


OT: There's little reason for one to go FULL vegan. To include more veggies and other things to your meal however is always good. But I eat alot of veggies and fruits. Im appearantly a mutant of sorts as I like brusselsprauts or whatever they're called . A mixed diet, is the best one. Going only meat or only veggie is stupid. We're omnivores so get with the program unless your doctor tells you differentley.

no, humans aren't at the top of the food chain ... they're beyond it
we have a choice, that's the difference between us and them.

 

[DefunctTheory]

I probably wouldnt without having some sort of serious dietary issues, that said Veganism isnt necessarily healthier.
There are issues such as anemia, because Iron from plants is harder for your system to break down, osteoporosis, same reason but replace iron with calcium. A lack of B12 will make both of these worse.
There are also links between processed soy and breast cancer (in both males an females) and an estrogen like chemical found in soy is known to "feminize men" if over consumed.
Granted there are ways pretty much any kind of food can kill you, heck we can die from breathing.

it's all there you just have to do some research before going into it ... also ... the soy thing is true ... thank god soy is only a grain of sand in the desert that is vegan cuisine eh?

And a mere atom in the omnivore cuisine.

 

[SsilverR]

I probably wouldnt without having some sort of serious dietary issues, that said Veganism isnt necessarily healthier.
There are issues such as anemia, because Iron from plants is harder for your system to break down, osteoporosis, same reason but replace iron with calcium. A lack of B12 will make both of these worse.
There are also links between processed soy and breast cancer (in both males an females) and an estrogen like chemical found in soy is known to "feminize men" if over consumed.
Granted there are ways pretty much any kind of food can kill you, heck we can die from breathing.

it's all there you just have to do some research before going into it ... also ... the soy thing is true ... thank god soy is only a grain of sand in the desert that is vegan cuisine eh?

And a mere atom in the omnivore cuisine.

hahahaha!

of course, i won't even argue with that .. but how much of the omnivore cuisine will you ever try before you die? ... chances are not all of it ... same with vegan, there's more than enough to keep me intrigued and occupied until the day i meet that dude in the black cloak ;D

 

[Gitty101]

NEVER. I love meat way too much to do anything like that.

 

[Dwarfman]

No.

...well that was an easy question wasn't it!

 

[Kenko]

We didn't fight our way to the top of the food chain to just eat salad.

Agreed! Lets make a support group for carnivores where they can call and talk if they ever feel oppressed and stuff! And have rallies to get our voices heard!... Oh wait, we're carnivores and awesome, so we dont need sissy support groups and meetings.

So keep on being awesome carnivores!


OT: There's little reason for one to go FULL vegan. To include more veggies and other things to your meal however is always good. But I eat alot of veggies and fruits. Im appearantly a mutant of sorts as I like brusselsprauts or whatever they're called . A mixed diet, is the best one. Going only meat or only veggie is stupid. We're omnivores so get with the program unless your doctor tells you differentley.

no, humans aren't at the top of the food chain ... they're beyond it
we have a choice, that's the difference between us and them.

Poppycock! We need those fats and proteins. They are essential to our diets. Unless there's a proper substitute for it, wich that silly vegan crap doesnt supply, there's no reason to stop eating it. To say that we're beyond the food chain is stupid though. Go out in the woods with nothing but the clothes on your body and see how long that lasts.

 

[MEEBO17]

I was a vegetarian for three years, so I think I could do vegan.

 

[DefunctTheory]

I probably wouldnt without having some sort of serious dietary issues, that said Veganism isnt necessarily healthier.
There are issues such as anemia, because Iron from plants is harder for your system to break down, osteoporosis, same reason but replace iron with calcium. A lack of B12 will make both of these worse.
There are also links between processed soy and breast cancer (in both males an females) and an estrogen like chemical found in soy is known to "feminize men" if over consumed.
Granted there are ways pretty much any kind of food can kill you, heck we can die from breathing.

it's all there you just have to do some research before going into it ... also ... the soy thing is true ... thank god soy is only a grain of sand in the desert that is vegan cuisine eh?

And a mere atom in the omnivore cuisine.

hahahaha!

of course, i won't even argue with that .. but how much of the omnivore cuisine will you ever try before you die? ... chances are not all of it ... same with vegan, there's more than enough to keep me intrigued and occupied until the day i meet that dude in the black cloak ;D

Oh, I'll have a heart attack before I try everything.

Just thought, hey, someone had to point it out. Might as well be me.

Besides... do you know how many types of bacon there are? It'll take two lifetimes (Ended by heart attacks) to eat them all!

 

[Woodsey]

Most of the best shit comes from animals, why would I ever go vegan?!

 

[Thunderlot]

I could never become vegan I need meat with every meal or it doesn't feel right for some reason. My life would probably be less stressful if I wasn't always trying to find some all the time.

 

[thethingthatlurks]

Sorry but going Vegan is actually pretty bad for you, the health benefits (if there are any) are probebly offset by the fact that we kind of need protiens and fats to survive, or at least stay healthy, I'm not gonna tell a vegan to "eat a fucking burger" but if your diet requires you at any point to take supplements or count out the protien level in the nuts you just ate, something is not right there.

Uhm, that's a load of crap. Soy protein is complete, so you can live on that. Plus beans, grains, nuts, etc contain all the nutrients you need. A vegan diet can be perfectly healthy, but requires bit of planning.

To get soy protein you have to extract it though don't you?
Not really something you'd find in a natural diet, and as I said without that planning you'd be pretty much fucked, at any rate if you wajt to do it then fine, I'm not gonna stop you, but it still isn't a natural diet by any means.

Load of crap part 2:
Soy are a type of beans, ergo each bean contains all necessary amino acids. You could eat them raw (if you have a grudge against your teeth), and still get all of those goody-goody nutrients. It is 100% natural, although speaking as a chemist I find the assertion that something is "unnatural" rather hilarious. No extractions are necessary, although if you do first grind them up, add water, mush it up, and then magnesium chloride or calcium sulfate, you get tofu. Hmm, tofu... Anyway, I guess that's the extraction you were referring to.

Basicly yeah, though I may not have made myself clear, I never meant to say that something being unnatural (By which I mean not found in this state in nature) was bad, simply that it wasn't natural, bread is not technicly natural, unless I've been lied to and they in fact sprout from bushes, it's just that many (though by no means all) vegans claim that a vegan diet is somehow more natural and healthy than a standard meat eating diet, which is a ridiculess assertation, particularly since if not for various modern conviniences a vegan diet would likely rtesult in sever health problems if not death.

A vegan diet is as natural as any other. Or do you know of any other animals who rely on heat to render meat safe to eat? Stating that one's diet is "more natural" than another is retarded...
It's a funny point, as raising animals is more costly than farming vegetables. Given the growth of the human population, meat might be getting so expensive that the only feasible option would be to maintain a vegetarian/vegan diet. Even with all of our modern technology, we simply cannot solve the problem of getting cows (or other animals) to grow muscles while consuming nothing but waste products...

Our diet requres mechanical interferance to work, that's pretty fucking unnatural if you ask me, but in short you could maintain a meat eating diet if humans had never developed civilisation, you simply couldn't maintain a vegan diet in nature, unless of course you lived in exactly the right part of the world that you could get protien rich plants year round by simply forraging.

And for the love of god!
Would you stop acting as though I was insulting veganism, I simplyy said in a naturat enviroment a vegan diet would. not. work.

As for needing to cook meat, that's generations of civilaisation for you, we used to be able to eat raw meat without the inevitable food poisoning.

That's just it, your point is stupid! I could always gather fruits/nuts/veggies etc, and it would be a 100% natural diet by any standards. Yes, I could even forgo technology, anything, even a bloody stick. I would still be getting enough nutrients to survive.
How would you repeat that for an omnivore diet? Strangle your prey of choice with your bare hands? Try to milk cows? Gather eggs from nesting birds (which would be fertilized, yummy)? Sorry, but humans would be completely incapable of surviving on your hypothetical "natural" diet.

Also, cooking food destroys parasites, not just bacteria. It's a hell of a lot easier to develop immunity against a bacterium than it is against something like this lovely fella: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia_saginata
Trust me, there has never been a time in the history of this planet where one species could consume anything without the risk of foodborne disease. Immunity against all possible threats simply doesn't exist.

 

[silver wolf009]

No. I love meat to much. And to help me back my claim, Weeble!


And the updated version

 

[Light 086]

Vegans usually require vitamin pills as their diet doesn't always supply the nutrition the body requires. Or so I imagine as you need calcium for bones, iron from meat... etc. Not saying they can't get it from organic sources, but they'll need to consume a great deal more to get it all.

I personally wouldn't become one, I love milk, bacon, ice cream... etc. Life is too short not to enjoy it, so why deprive yourself from simple pleasures such as delicious food?

 

[TehCookie]

The closest I would get to being vegan is raising/hunting my own animals. I will never give up meat, but I will make sure to take good care of the animals before I kill and eat them. Besides that would be even healthier since I would probably have a better diet, because I would be eating the smaller portions of meat and not giving it up completely.

 

[SsilverR]

We didn't fight our way to the top of the food chain to just eat salad.

Agreed! Lets make a support group for carnivores where they can call and talk if they ever feel oppressed and stuff! And have rallies to get our voices heard!... Oh wait, we're carnivores and awesome, so we dont need sissy support groups and meetings.

So keep on being awesome carnivores!


OT: There's little reason for one to go FULL vegan. To include more veggies and other things to your meal however is always good. But I eat alot of veggies and fruits. Im appearantly a mutant of sorts as I like brusselsprauts or whatever they're called . A mixed diet, is the best one. Going only meat or only veggie is stupid. We're omnivores so get with the program unless your doctor tells you differentley.

no, humans aren't at the top of the food chain ... they're beyond it
we have a choice, that's the difference between us and them.

Poppycock! We need those fats and proteins. They are essential to our diets. Unless there's a proper substitute for it, wich that silly vegan crap doesnt supply, there's no reason to stop eating it. To say that we're beyond the food chain is stupid though. Go out in the woods with nothing but the clothes on your body and see how long that lasts.

probably not very long .... now put ray mears in my situataion (ok not the arctic) and i think he'd do quite well ... the reason we're beyond the food chain is because survival isn't the issue anymore ... you think a lion could get into a well guarded city or town ... hell ... even a craply guarded one and live? ... we can and DO go into the wilds .. some with nothing JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN ... to test themselves.

we're not only beyond the food chain, we can manipulate it if we were so inclined

also please don't call veganism crap unless you have solid evidence that it's crap, like i said at the start .. it's a choice ... not practical in certain situations but in the human world as it is today it might be more than practical alltogether.
you can get anything from plants .. all the nutrients and fats you need ... if that wasn't the case we wouldn't have vegan UFC fighters now would we?

it's all about choice and human ability ... that's it. being vegan works for some, doesn't for others.