would you ever become vegan?
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it's less about self control and more about being content. it's not this self righteous buzz along with smug personal satisfaction while constantly trying not to eat the meat you oh so crave .. (it is to some vegans >.<)Dags90 said:
it's more about once you've made the decision, and you're happy with it and the changes it brings and you're life in your eyes is better now .. if this is your reality then there won't be any temptation to begin with ... you're at peace, you respect all others and their decisions and you like what you see in the mirror (both physically and psychologically) ... if that's the case then cravings won't be an issue ... especially with all the beautiful vegan cuisine from all around the world to keep your taste buds occupied
salads are expensive but being a vegan was very cheap for me ... i don't eat salads ... i think they're boring and most of them are tasteless.Otaru Ikari said:
try taking vegan curries or other vegan dishes from around the world that are not only easy to make .. but the ingredients are cheap ... basically ... golden rule .. if ur gonna become vegan ... you'll have to do some cooking. but BOY is it worth the effort
No.
It's too limiting a choice - I love food, and it's too big a threat to the luxury of variety if I decided to cut out the other half of food in existence just because of whatever reasons vegans have for not eating meat.
That and I fart enough as it is.
It's too limiting a choice - I love food, and it's too big a threat to the luxury of variety if I decided to cut out the other half of food in existence just because of whatever reasons vegans have for not eating meat.
That and I fart enough as it is.
I must thank you for these. This is probably the best thing I've heard in a while.silver wolf009 said:
I would never become a vegan because as far as I can see there is no reason whatsoever to do it.
anyone who thinks the vegan is limited reaaally has alot to discover in the world of food ... think about all the countries in the world ... there are vegans everywhere ... dishes from asia/africa/europe ... dude ... believe me when i say ... variaty and flavor aren't the issuesSIXVI06-M said:
Nope. Nothing wrong with eating meat, animals do it all the time.
Besides...Giving up every single meat/milk product ALONE is a damn lot of food to never eat again.
Besides...Giving up every single meat/milk product ALONE is a damn lot of food to never eat again.
A lot of vegans don't make a "face" distinction. Similarly, there's constant debate over things like honey. Also, a lot of people argue that "consuming animal products" should apply to all forms of consumption, so no more leather belts.SsilverR said:
It's not a very good thing to do for health reasons. It's better than the typically horrible diet of most western people, but avoiding animal products doesn't make you magically healthier. In fact, it makes getting a few select vitamins extremely difficult for some people (most people don't have to worry much beyond being sure to eat leafy greens and some beans). Some people don't absord certain nutrients as well from plants or supplements and a vegan diet can be extremely dangerous to them. Additionally, for people with a very fast metabolism, it can be difficult to get enough fat to burn (a good friend of mine was ordered by his doctor to stop as he was losing too much weight despite eating like a pig at every meal).SsilverR said:
The most you get in terms of evidence for any health benefit is the testimonies of people who "just feel better" or evidence from people who had extremely unhealthy diets before going vegan.
I think a "we evolved as omnivores" argument is a bit silly. Should we stop treating diseases whenever they're "natural"? Should be avoid vision correction because the very physiology of some humans dictates that they have bad vision?SsilverR said:
Again, the "overall health" argument is simply untrue for the most part. It's not an unhealthy diet for most people (which beats the typical diet of most people), but it isn't somehow extra healthy. A vegan diet is pretty reasonable for moral reasons, both regarding the treatment of animals and the environmental impact of large-scale animal husbandry, so stick to your moral guns - you don't need to prop up your argument by appealing to how healthy the diet is.SsilverR said:
Myself: I am not myself vegan, though I was for a brief period. I also live in Santa Cruz, one of the vegan capitals of the universe.
Growing up in a vegetarian household, with a vegan brother (so most of our meals were vegan, before I piled cheese on mine) I think it's not a very difficult thing to live with. I was never wanting for taste or nutrients. On an individual level it isn't really harmful and on a worldwide level; it would help with our food/water supply problems (one field which can grow enough beef for one person can grow enough soya to sustain around fifty)SsilverR said:
But the sad truth is; I'm just apathetic enough not to care.
I'm asian- I know there is A LOT of vegetarian food and stuff. But believe me when I say, when I have tasted the flesh- then it is the flesh you know, and nothing else will compare.SsilverR said:
You're still removing a lot of food from your menu when you decide to not eat meat. It doesn't matter how much vegan food there is on offer, you're still cutting out a LOT of food when you don't eat meat.
lol people seem really attached to meat. But I think I could see going Vegan
I mean seeing Commercial farms and slaughter houses makes me more...sympathetic. I'm not sure if all Vegan's have a common...theology but the person I actually learned about vegan-ism from (a really hot red head) basically put it this way. She doesn't want anything to suffer for her, when she can eat without anything suffering and be just fine. Also said if it was a kind of, starve to death or eat an animal she had to catch she would probably eat the animal. I can understand the logic there.
Also Vegan Kryptonite:
its like..not meat but I feel that it would violate the spirit of veganism to consume them (also note this is a joke)
I mean seeing Commercial farms and slaughter houses makes me more...sympathetic. I'm not sure if all Vegan's have a common...theology but the person I actually learned about vegan-ism from (a really hot red head) basically put it this way. She doesn't want anything to suffer for her, when she can eat without anything suffering and be just fine. Also said if it was a kind of, starve to death or eat an animal she had to catch she would probably eat the animal. I can understand the logic there.
Also Vegan Kryptonite:
its like..not meat but I feel that it would violate the spirit of veganism to consume them (also note this is a joke)
I can't. I've had days where I don't eat meat protein, but I'm always starving. I ate 5lbs of carrots in one sitting and was still hungry enough that my hands were shaking.
5 ounces of pastrami between two slices of bread calms the shakes.
I can't go vegan because I'll feel like I'm starving. If I don't have meat/eggs/sex at least once a day, I feel empty.
5 ounces of pastrami between two slices of bread calms the shakes.
I can't go vegan because I'll feel like I'm starving. If I don't have meat/eggs/sex at least once a day, I feel empty.
Well, of COURSE it's limited. You can't eat meat or milk products, and...Wait, why not milk products? I mean, the only reason milk even EXISTS is to be drank, so what's wrong with it?SsilverR said:
Anyway, as I was saying....Of course being a vegan is limiting. You can't eat meat or milk products, so by DEFINITION you're limited. Now, I'm sure there's still plenty of foods that are vegan-friendly; there just aren't as many as there are for us non-vegans. Thus, you know...Limited.
I'm intrigued... we have a food supply problem?TheEvilCheese said:
There are thousands of farmers in the US, owning hundreds of thousands of acres of good land, who are payed not to grow food. I assume this trend occurs in other 1st World Countries.
Or are you talking about impoverished sections of the world that would be completely unaffected by the modern world (The people who have a 'choice' in their diets) abandoning meat.