Thanks for your reply and explanation. The cleanliness you talked about is only one level of any comparison that could be made between people having a free sex-life and those who follow a certain code or law.Kukulski said:
Part of the hypocrisy of the premarital sex pros is that they are also pro marriage. They want to have free sex "for themselves", and be committed to the traditional values of society and religion by marrying "a show for others". If you are an atheist, that makes you believing in free sex life, not your atheism, justifiable to me. Most of those who have free sex in the West are Christians and they eventually get married. Aren't they hypocritical?
Back to the idea of cleanliness. That idea imposes itself on the whole universe. It's a reality. If you buy a machine and keep it with you for a single day then you sell it, you will have to offer it for a cheaper price, because it has been used and the wrapping material which has been covering it was torn. It is now "cheaper". The girls and boys who have sex out of any code become also "used" as well as "cheaper".
Cleanliness is abstract, too. Not merely washing the sex organ with water and staying for a a couple of days will make it clean. Not only physical germs make a man stained. No. In the eyes of the law, what do you say of the customer who shop-lifts? He became unclean for taking what he is not authorized to take. What do you say of the politician who lies? Although he washes regularly, he is unclean and dirtier than a stinking vagabond, stained with the blood of the innocent he had caused to be shed and the money he had caused to be spent through lies. What do you call the citizen who breaks the traffic sign all the time, bribes, destroys public property? Are his violations right or wrong? If wrong, so he has defiled himself, "stained" his name, and his criminal record wouldn't be "clean". All these criminals use detergents and have less germs on their bodies than many who may "appear" dirty, but in fact are much cleaner and purer then those mentioned.
I'm sure you consider breaking the traffic sign a violation because it is part of the "law" you believe in, the very same law you have actually enacted by yourself, a positivist secular law. I consider that the people who have free sex are law breakers. They broke the law I believe in, but I did not enact the law myself. It is divine. The whole idea revolves around belief in God and whom you and I think should put and enact the law.
Leaving this issue aside, and not regarding religion in the least, I still think that having sex without marriage with anyone is repulsive to an extreme. It is synonymous with having a low self-esteem. For me money is cheap and worthless, and that's why I'm willing to pay it to get what I want, but I will not pay my body to get what i want. It looks to me as if a person sacrifices his body to others to play with for a specific period of time because he does not find his body precious at all. He or she do not mind to pay their bodies as the price for the commodity they are after. They do not think that their body is their sanctuary and those who pass inside should be licensed to do so. They see that their body is a national park.
In this connection, and in connection to the topic of law and crime, having sex out of marriage is shop-lifting and theft, in my metaphorical opinion. The adulterer takes what is not his, and pays no price other than humiliating his body, allowing others to abuse it for abusing their, that's for free. It is theft done under mutual consent of both thieves. Their consent does not make it legal though, it will remain an illegal act. And if you want to argue on another issue which comes closely with this one, "is my body %100 mine?", I will reply that it is another issue which needs much time to be discussed. Just a hint in passing, if your body is yours, why do you allow it to part your soul, rot, and feed it to worms?
In truth, your being an atheist, having belief in the fact that salmon cans in the mart are not self-made, but at the same time, humans are, gives me relative credibility in what you say. Athiests are not hypocritical like their hypocritical Christian society which wants to hold the rope at both ends. They fake their belief in religion and God, then act like he is not there. They want and are pro both sex out of marriage and marriage! They are unprocliamed atheists, i.e, atheists + hypocrites.
I come from a back ground where a human is supposed to believe in the abstract and make himself different from lower creatures which know no abstract, ethics, morals, insight, unperceivables, etc. To others, only the physical counts, and to me the range goes much wider. This is the art, heart and core of how to be a human being.
