What about the combine harvesters that kill thousands of small, cute and fuzzy animals (like little field mice) every time they roll across a wheat field or harvest some soy beans? What isn't logical is one group of people thinking they can justify acting superior to another group by virtue of only eating certain kinds of life.Gooble said:In regards to plants using nitrogen from dead animal matter-that's a natural process, it would happen if human's didn't exist. And if animals didn't exist.stinkychops said:Despite the fact that the vegetables you live off, flourish largely from nitrogen of dead animal matter. Hmm, most of the vegetables you eat are (probably sorry if you grow your own), prepared by people who eat meat. Besides whats logic got to do with survival.Gooble said:I'm a vegetarian, and even if I was in the wilderness, starving to death, I still wouldn't kill an animal. It seems illogical to me that one animal should die so that another can live. And I've eaten plenty of animals already (was omnivorous up until about 12) so there's no way I could justify it to myself.
I'm not trying to cause an argument but i disagree with you and would like to hear your views.
To people who grow the things I eat, there's not much I can do about that, and my consumption of the produce has no bearing on whether the farmers eat meat or not.
And the logic part-I'm a very logical person. If something doesn't make sense to me, I won't do it. And killing many animals so that I can survive is illogical to me, so I wouldn't do it. I know it makes sense in the context of humans being omnivorous and it would mean me not dying, but I still wouldn't do it.
Well I am very sorry for expressing my opinion. Obviously I should not be allowed to make decisions for myself for fear of going against convention and upsetting the natural order of things.Samurai Goomba said:What about the combine harvesters that kill thousands of small, cute and fuzzy animals (like little field mice) every time they roll across a wheat field or harvest some soy beans? What isn't logical is one group of people thinking they can justify acting superior to another group by virtue of only eating certain kinds of life.Gooble said:In regards to plants using nitrogen from dead animal matter-that's a natural process, it would happen if human's didn't exist. And if animals didn't exist.stinkychops said:Despite the fact that the vegetables you live off, flourish largely from nitrogen of dead animal matter. Hmm, most of the vegetables you eat are (probably sorry if you grow your own), prepared by people who eat meat. Besides whats logic got to do with survival.Gooble said:I'm a vegetarian, and even if I was in the wilderness, starving to death, I still wouldn't kill an animal. It seems illogical to me that one animal should die so that another can live. And I've eaten plenty of animals already (was omnivorous up until about 12) so there's no way I could justify it to myself.
I'm not trying to cause an argument but i disagree with you and would like to hear your views.
To people who grow the things I eat, there's not much I can do about that, and my consumption of the produce has no bearing on whether the farmers eat meat or not.
And the logic part-I'm a very logical person. If something doesn't make sense to me, I won't do it. And killing many animals so that I can survive is illogical to me, so I wouldn't do it. I know it makes sense in the context of humans being omnivorous and it would mean me not dying, but I still wouldn't do it.
What's "logical" is that mankind lives by consuming life. The closest to alive something is, the healthier it is (if grown/killed naturally.) There is a wealth of medical information bearing out this truth, and an entire diet based around it.
http://www.living-foods.com/faq.html
Here's a hilarious source for that harvester thing:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
And a more serious one:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Story?id=97836&page=1
Oh, and don't praise yourself. It makes you sound like a windbag. Let other people decide whether or not your behavior qualifies you as logical or not. Saying you are doesn't make it so.
That's not the point, the point is you say that it's illogical and that you claim to be a logical person. Problem is, something isn't logical or illogical just because you say it is.Gooble said:Well I am very sorry for expressing my opinion. Obviously I should not be allowed to make decisions for myself for fear of going against convention and upsetting the natural order of things.
Oh sure pigs are cute when they're tiny but most people don't really think about the fact they become a living garbage disposal that can grind bone.sky14kemea said:well yeah, i dont eat lamb and stuff anyway, so id only be killing chickens and pigs
chickens im scared of so i dont mind that, i suppose id feel a little bad about the pigs
I'd hardly consider a decent sized pig 'small' or 'defenseless'. Those things can be bastards.cannot_aim said:yes I could not live with out bacon. Now excuse me while i go kill a small defenseless animal to feed my bacon addiction.
This just made me LOL for a minute. The image of some deranged guy with a butcher knife sneaking through a field, leaping onto a cow with a blood-curdling scream, and then stabbing it to death was just too bizarre, but completely awesome.Xiado said:I would, especially if I had to hunt it and earn it in accordance to nature. Besides, guns are weak. Try sneaking up on a cow, jumping on it's back and stabbing it to death with a big knife. Certainly more rewarding than shooting it from 500 feet away, without giving it a chance.
My dad worked on a pig farm in high school, a boar got him with a tusk once and one of his knee high boots filled to the top with blood.ace_of_something said:Oh sure pigs are cute when they're tiny but most people don't really think about the fact they become living garbage disposal that can grind bone.sky14kemea said:well yeah, i dont eat lamb and stuff anyway, so id only be killing chickens and pigs
chickens im scared of so i dont mind that, i suppose id feel a little bad about the pigs
I have a scar on my arm that is about 8 inches long from when a pig bit me and broke my arm.
I eat chickens as much as I can because free-range chickens are hellacious little pecking beasts that deserve to be eaten.
Tell you what; You kill something, I'll cook it. Sound fair? I'm a pretty darn good cook, if I do say so myself.ace_of_something said:Yes, I already do that with duck hunting and fishing. I used to live on a ranch during the summer so I've killed many a pig too. I only kill things I am willing to eat; this is why i don't deer hunt.
Now, if i have to COOK it myself... that's a different story; I'm a terrible cook.
done and done. Expect some carcasses in the mail.Nigh Invulnerable said:Tell you what; You kill something, I'll cook it. Sound fair? I'm a pretty darn good cook, if I do say so myself.ace_of_something said:Yes, I already do that with duck hunting and fishing. I used to live on a ranch during the summer so I've killed many a pig too. I only kill things I am willing to eat; this is why i don't deer hunt.
Now, if i have to COOK it myself... that's a different story; I'm a terrible cook.