Wouldn't a Fallout outside of the US not really work?

[Korten12]

In recent topic debates about where the next Fallout should take, many said other countinents, like Europe and such but some say it wouldn't be Fallout.

Now from the Fallout games i've played, 3 and NV (tried the first two but couldn't get into at that time but I might in the future) and from what it seems that the lore is deeply intwined within American culture of the 50's? Also with Vaults only existing in the US, since it does say on the Fallout Wiki that it took 645 billion dollars (I am guessing they got the info from F1/2) to build all of them.

Also another thing, before The Great War, Europe got into the Europe-Middle East war which left both sides in utter ruins, which then 10 or so years later, the Great War began, odds are since it did get hit by bombs and they couldn't completely restore Europe in 10 years, odds are it was almost if not completely destroyed.

So could someone explain this more througly.

I have heard China might work since China was a big part of the Great War.

Grouchy Imp did a good job explaining.

I would say that is mainly because of the feel of the original games. Ok, Fallout 3 took a different take on the Fallout world and totally changed it's vibe (mainly by completely removing the strong undercurrent of humour the originals had), but the original Fallouts played on the idea that after a nuclear war the survivors settled into a rancher/frontiersman stlye of life, strongly remenicient of the Wild West. And the Wild West is a distinctly American phenomenon. With that in mind, it follows that having a Fallout in Paris makes about as much sense as shooting a Western in London.

Another point is the things that make Fallout would disappear. For example, Super Mutants only exist in America as they were genetically engineered there and wouldn't be found elsewhere. Vault-Tec is an American company and so other countries wouldn't have Vaults - they might have Bunkers, or Shelters, but they wouldn't be Vaults. Deathclaws were engineered in America and wouldn't be found elsewhere. The Enclave, as the remenant of the US government, wouldn't exist elsewhere. The Brotherhood of Steel, as the remenant of the US military, wouldn't exist anywhere else (except Afghanistan and Iraq. ZING!). Once you've removed from Fallout everything that makes it Fallout, you just have another post-apocalyptic RPG, so it makes no sense to move Fallout to another country.

the closest thing that would be close to Fallout: Europe would Fallout: Resource Wars, a game Obsidian says they would like to play that would take place in Europe during the Resource wars, though it wouldn't be post-apcoplytic since The Resource Wars were before the Great War. They said it was also be multiplayer team-based.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_Resource_Wars

Then there is also the fact of the part of the Resource War: The Europe-Middle East War which both sides were reduced to ruins and that was before the Great War.

 

[tlozoot]

The UK has it's own very distinct 50s culture which, come to think of it, is kind of similar to that of 50s US.

 

[ThreeWords]

The UK has it's own very distinct 50s culture which, come to think of it, is kind of similar to that of 50s US.

This.

If set elsewhere, one could always make new lore, or simply contrast the different cultures and how they created a different post-War situation. People complain of games being same-y; why not make them different?

 

[ad4m101]

is it not possible to built upon the existing world? I always thought fallout 3 was popular due to its open-world-ness-isum and not its lore.

 

[Druyn]

It could work. It wouldnt be a sequel, and it probably couldnt even be attached to any previous storylines, but it would be a very interesting way to contrast different cultures. It would be a brand new game in a brand new setting in the same old world. The problem of course is that it might take some work to get the game to be good, and that might not happen on the first try, but maybe eventually.

That being said, I think the most interesting ones would be UK, China, Canada (they mentioned Ronto in F3, so I think something with that will come up eventually. I like how Canada isnt just forgotten, and has grown just as the US has, and is apparently a military powerhouse too), and maybe Russia. or not russia, ecause thats basically what metro 2083 was, except darker, creepier, and very different.

 

[Korten12]

is it not possible to built upon the existing world? I always thought fallout 3 was popular due to its open-world-ness-isum and not its lore.

Um its both..? I mean Fallout has a huge lore and it wouldn't be good to go and say "screw it."

 

[jackpipsam]

only America could hold such assholes... oh come you, you know its true!

 

[Aulleas123]

DOUBLE NEGATIVES!!!!!

OT: I believe that there were people who survived the bombings without living in Vaults. I think that a Fallout: Paris or a Fallout: London could work. Perhaps there'd be more ghouls due to people being outside of vaults?

 

[Azure-Supernova]

Of course it would. If the world was in such a crisis (which it seemed so) for Vault-Tec to allocate shelter to so many people, who is to say that other nations didn't have their own vaults? Hell, there might be multi-national branches of Vault-Tec.

Imagine post apocalytic Britain. The London Tower, Big Ben, Buckingham Palace, all places easily turned into forts or strongholds (were they still standing). Also think of London Underround. And why should it stop there? Anywhere in Europe could be used and new lore could be written.

EDIT

Just thinking back to Fallout London, imagine this:

The royal family would have their own private vault. Once the bombs have stopped, surely it would be their first call of duty to return order to London and begin rebuilding the country. Hell, it might go back to total Monarchy.

 

[RatRace123]

Just because you might not have Vaults in other countries doesn't mean we can't set a Fallout game in that country, people might have found their way over there, or maybe they really did have Vaults. Though, I wonder if that 50s mentality actually carried on past America. It'd be interesting to see if other countries actually evolved their mentality.

I'd like to see us go beyond America for future Fallouts.

 

[Silver]

It could work. It wouldnt be a sequel, and it probably couldnt even be attached to any previous storylines, but it would be a very interesting way to contrast different cultures. It would be a brand new game in a brand new setting in the same old world. The problem of course is that it might take some work to get the game to be good, and that might not happen on the first try, but maybe eventually.

That being said, I think the most interesting ones would be UK, China, Canada (they mentioned Ronto in F3, so I think something with that will come up eventually. I like how Canada isnt just forgotten, and has grown just as the US has, and is apparently a military powerhouse too), and maybe Russia. or not russia, ecause thats basically what metro 2083 was, except darker, creepier, and very different.

The newer two were hardly sequels either, and had pretty much nothing to do with the previous games neither, so that shouldn't matter. And yeah, it'd take some work to get good. They'd have to make it different from the third, for one, because that one wasn't.

 

[Clockwork Scarecrow.]

I don't see why not, other countries could have different methods other than vaults. It could also result in interesting new environments and settings. Plus, if it was set in Europe you could wander into different countries which would be exciting.

 

[Netrigan]

Cold War Paranoia seems to have a dinstinctly American flavor, but I think it can translate to other cultures, especially Europe. We kind of dragged everyone else in to it.

 

[Distorted Stu]

Russian fallotu would be cool

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

In recent topic debates about where the next Fallout should take, many said other countries, like Europe and such but some say it wouldn't be Fallout.

I would say that is mainly because of the feel of the original games. Ok, Fallout 3 took a different take on the Fallout world and totally changed it's vibe (mainly by completely removing the strong undercurrent of humour the originals had), but the original Fallouts played on the idea that after a nuclear war the survivors settled into a rancher/frontiersman stlye of life, strongly remenicient of the Wild West. And the Wild West is a distinctly American phenomenon. With that in mind, it follows that having a Fallout in Paris makes about as much sense as shooting a Western in London.

Another point is the things that make Fallout would disappear. For example, Super Mutants only exist in America as they were genetically engineered there and wouldn't be found elsewhere. Vault-Tec is an American company and so other countries wouldn't have Vaults - they might have Bunkers, or Shelters, but they wouldn't be Vaults. Deathclaws were engineered in America and wouldn't be found elsewhere. The Enclave, as the remenant of the US government, wouldn't exist elsewhere. The Brotherhood of Steel, as the remenant of the US military, wouldn't exist anywhere else (except Afghanistan and Iraq. ZING!). Once you've removed from Fallout everything that makes it Fallout, you just have another post-apocalyptic RPG, so it makes no sense to move Fallout to another country.

 

[No_Remainders]

DOUBLE NEGATIVES!!!!!

OT: I believe that there were people who survived the bombings without living in Vaults. I think that a Fallout: Paris or a Fallout: London could work. Perhaps there'd be more ghouls due to people being outside of vaults?

I'd like a Fallout: Dublin... Not gonna work, is it?

Anyway, I think that one set in Moscow would work nicely.

It could be like Metro 2033... Except; you know, maybe good?

 

[HentMas]

it might go back to total Monarchy.

hell, that sounds like a damn good faction, interesting premise and actually goes with the theme of Fallout, i mean in the US its freedom and military power that has more presence, but in the UK, the first thing one thinks is the royal family

i think quests involving searching for the royal artifacts (crowns,scepters and stuff like that) could be an interesting thing to see

hell, how big is the royal family?? barons?, sons of the various houses?? thats a whole system of factions in on itself.

i like this idea

 

[Korten12]

In recent topic debates about where the next Fallout should take, many said other countries, like Europe and such but some say it wouldn't be Fallout.

I would say that is mainly because of the feel of the original games. Ok, Fallout 3 took a different take on the Fallout world and totally changed it's vibe (mainly by completely removing the strong undercurrent of humour the originals had), but the original Fallouts played on the idea that after a nuclear war the survivors settled into a rancher/frontiersman stlye of life, strongly remenicient of the Wild West. And the Wild West is a distinctly American phenomenon. With that in mind, it follows that having a Fallout in Paris makes about as much sense as shooting a Western in London.

Another point is the things that make Fallout would disappear. For example, Super Mutants only exist in America as they were genetically engineered there and wouldn't be found elsewhere. Vault-Tec is an American company and so other countries wouldn't have Vaults - they might have Bunkers, or Shelters, but they wouldn't be Vaults. Deathclaws were engineered in America and wouldn't be found elsewhere. The Enclave, as the remenant of the US government, wouldn't exist elsewhere. The Brotherhood of Steel, as the remenant of the US military, wouldn't exist anywhere else (except Afghanistan and Iraq. ZING!). Once you've removed from Fallout everything that makes it Fallout, you just have another post-apocalyptic RPG, so it makes no sense to move Fallout to another country.

Wow that explains also, so it really does seem that if they moved it to any other country it would remove a lot.