Wouldn't a Fallout outside of the US not really work?

[chunkeymonke]

Stalker did it better then FO3. And that wasn't even a total nuclear holocaust :O

But then they didn't invent a new strain of green super strengthed mutants with no intelligence that litter the entire game(with no real, fallout canon story to). Some mindless zombies fried by a giant antenna did just fine in stalker.

Also stalker has a little accent but i guess the V.O's are originally russian anyhow. So how can you blame native russians to have accents xD.

They also still talk russian in squads etc, chitchat.

Bethesda loves the copy + paste so can't complain if there's near to no variation.

Their main stories also seem to be dreamt up by a 5 yold. "Find your dad, Find who stabbed Jean Luc Piccard USS. Enter... Find the guy who shot you." But that might very well be their target audience.

theres huge amounts of lore to supermutants play fallout 1 and 2 before you say stuff that isn't true

 

[Dexiro]

There's no reason why a Fallout game outside of America wouldn't work, it'd just be very different.

For example in England the design style would revolve more around semi-victorian architecture, the coal industry etc, lots of mutants and robots that are just slightly different, and new factions.

That's just the base of it though, It's a fantasy game so anything could be written in the lore.

 

[Steampunk Viking]

I would just like to point out Black Isle did plan Fallout: Great Britain. Personally, and I'm not saying this just because I'm British, Fallout is London would be pretty awesome. Imagine walking over Tower Bridge to see a half destroyed Big Ben, I reckon it could be epic. It'd also give the game designers a little leg room for new ideas since the events in America would be different to Europe.

That's my two cents anyways. Not saying the American Fallouts are rubbish, 'coz they're not, but I reckon one set in London would be awesome

 

[MercenaryCanary]

Hey guys, let's set the Fallout games in Ukraine, but without the Enclave. Instead, we could just have the Russian government trying to start things up. And instead of the Brotherhood of Steel, let's have some random military group that wears steel armor named "DUTY" just cause.
Oh, oh. Guys. Another idea coming in.
We could replace the raiders with a group of bandits called "Freedom".

http://www.igniq.com/images/stalker250804.jpg

 

[Azure-Supernova]

Snippity Snip

Okay okay, I can't help but feel that you're being awfully negative about this. You're assuming that change would be a bad thing.

The Royal family returning and taking control would be nothing like the Enclave. Who is to say there would even be an opposing force for one. Given the amount of tourist material about the Royal Family, their reappearance would be heralded and most likely welcomed by the wanderers of the post-apocalyptic London. If anything their only opposition would be from Ghouls who remember a time of democracy, not monarchy.

Too little change was the problem with New Vegas, which felt like a long piece of DLC. Too much change would be like the transition from Resident Evil 3: Nemesis to Resident Evil 4. It's finding the balance between the two that would make it.
It's not a matter of changing the universe around the setting, it's changing the setting around the universe.

 

[spartandude]

well Vault-tech was only american granted, but does that mean that other countries had similar things, the US air force is strictly american but we have our own hear in Britain.

and like you said in that quote, the original Fallout games had a wild west kind of feel to them, while Fallout 3 didnt have that and (i could be wrong) was the most successfuland highest rated one, so a change to another countru wouldnt be too bad.


and there is proof that other countries have survived the to a similar extent as america, in fallout 3 there was a man from the Commonwealth (presumably the british commonwealth so im guessing he came from canada) and he refered to something called the "institute" which jept people safe and which im assuming is similar to a vault.

 

[Azure-Supernova]

I think it's really because we americans will usually never buy a game not set in america or mabey japan if its a jrpg
also if you made a fallout game in Europe it wouldn't be fallout

Also the only reason people are saying it would work is because it's their country their talking about so of course an english guy wants it in britian and a german guy wants it in germany but it wouldn't work

I'd like you to read those two quotes next to each other and tell me when it hits you. Go on, I'll give you a moment to think.

On Topic:

There is no legitimate reason why Fallout would not work elsewhere.

"But the lore is already deeply rooted in America! It would be impossible for Fallout: Paris or Fallout: Madrid to work with the lore already in place!"

Well bugger me, imagine this for a moment: Expanded Universe.

 

[martin's a madman]

Saying it wouldn't work elsewhere is just limiting to the potential fun.
No Enclave? There weren't any Enclave in NV.
No BOS? They only played a very minor role in NV.
They've created an entire universe and some people are satisfied with seeing only a small part of it?

I'd love a new Fallout in Europe, or anywhere else for that matter. The US is fine, I enjoyed both FO3 and NV and I won't say they should stop making any in the US, but a Europe locale has the potential to be really neat. Or maybe even the middle east, unless there is a canon reference stopping this, the region could have a new Arabian golden age. Maybe an area torn apart by tribal warfare maybe the Remnants of Israel and Iran have formed two post apocalyptic (relative)superpowers, like the NCR and Legion. Then again, I think I remember reading that the middle east was united for the resource war?

 

[Celinis]

The U.K. would be the only other country that could work. Everyone else in the 50's were still rebuilding after the big war.

 

[spartandude]

fallout 3 in britain?

fighting off hungry mutants with british accents while trying to survive and get to safety?
Glastonbury Festival: The video game!

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

Okay okay, I can't help but feel that you're being awfully negative about this. You're assuming that change would be a bad thing.

The Royal family returning and taking control would be nothing like the Enclave. Who is to say there would even be an opposing force for one. Given the amount of tourist material about the Royal Family, their reappearance would be heralded and most likely welcomed by the wanderers of the post-apocalyptic London. If anything their only opposition would be from Ghouls who remember a time of democracy, not monarchy.

Too little change was the problem with New Vegas, which felt like a long piece of DLC. Too much change would be like the transition from Resident Evil 3: Nemesis to Resident Evil 4. It's finding the balance between the two that would make it.
It's not a matter of changing the universe around the setting, it's changing the setting around the universe.

Nah, I'm not being negative (or certainly not meaning to be) but from my viewpoint if you want to make a post-apocalyptic game set in Britain with the ideas you've sketched out then why not give it a new name and create new IP? If a European Fallout has no real links to the American Fallout other than a vague timeline, why make them the same at all? The original Fallout was heavily influenced by Mad Max, but the game released by Black Isle was called Fallout, not Mad Max:American Fallout. A game influenced by Fallout set in Europe? That sounds great and I'd eagerly look forward to such a title, but in my mind it should be released as a seperate title and IP.

 

[Hyper-space]

In recent topic debates about where the next Fallout should take, many said other countinents, like Europe and such but some say it wouldn't be Fallout.

Now from the Fallout games i've played, 3 and NV (tried the first two but couldn't get into at that time but I might in the future) and from what it seems that the lore is deeply intwined within American culture of the 50's? Also with Vaults only existing in the US, since it does say on the Fallout Wiki that it took 645 billion dollars (I am guessing they got the info from F1/2) to build all of them.

So could someone explain this more througly.

I have heard China might work since China was a big part of the Great War.

Grouchy Imp did a good job explaining.

I would say that is mainly because of the feel of the original games. Ok, Fallout 3 took a different take on the Fallout world and totally changed it's vibe (mainly by completely removing the strong undercurrent of humour the originals had), but the original Fallouts played on the idea that after a nuclear war the survivors settled into a rancher/frontiersman stlye of life, strongly remenicient of the Wild West. And the Wild West is a distinctly American phenomenon. With that in mind, it follows that having a Fallout in Paris makes about as much sense as shooting a Western in London.

Another point is the things that make Fallout would disappear. For example, Super Mutants only exist in America as they were genetically engineered there and wouldn't be found elsewhere. Vault-Tec is an American company and so other countries wouldn't have Vaults - they might have Bunkers, or Shelters, but they wouldn't be Vaults. Deathclaws were engineered in America and wouldn't be found elsewhere. The Enclave, as the remenant of the US government, wouldn't exist elsewhere. The Brotherhood of Steel, as the remenant of the US military, wouldn't exist anywhere else (except Afghanistan and Iraq. ZING!). Once you've removed from Fallout everything that makes it Fallout, you just have another post-apocalyptic RPG, so it makes no sense to move Fallout to another country.

the closest thing that would be close to Fallout: Europe would Fallout: Resource Wars, a game Obsidian says they would like to play that would take place in Europe during the Resource wars, though it wouldn't be post-apcoplytic since The Resource Wars were before the Great War. They said it was also be multiplayer team-based.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_Resource_Wars

Well, the whole idea behind Fallout: Not in the USA is that it would provide a change of pace from the usual Americana vibe that have been the staple of the fallout series. You have to admit, that a change in culture and surroundings would be refreshing.

However, according to a spin-off game that was planned, the Chinese government is still remaining, which would suggest that there are probably more vaults than just in the US, as they (they, as in other major superpowers) would have probably copied Vault-Tec design or tried to make one of their own.

 

[spartandude]

The U.K. would be the only other country that could work. Everyone else in the 50's were still rebuilding after the big war.

and Britain wasnt?

we were still struggling massively (granted not as much as the rest of europe) but we still had rationing by 1954, we were rebuilding farms, ships and cities trying to get the country to work, america and canada were really the only countries who didnt have to rebuild

but Russia actually rebuilt quickly or was able to find alternative areas from the destroyed lands to continue production eitherway after the war it was quickly back into the swing of things and USSR 50's would be interesting to see

but having said that alot of europe had a similar 50's style to america so it wouldnt be too hard to redo just a little different.

 

[Reaper195]

The UK has it's own very distinct 50s culture which, come to think of it, is kind of similar to that of 50s US.

This, you'd just need to find a British equivalent to Ron Perlman.

Bill Nighy. Or John Cleese.

 

[Azure-Supernova]

Nah, I'm not being negative (or certainly not meaning to be) but from my viewpoint if you want to make a post-apocalyptic game set in Britain with the ideas you've sketched out then why not give it a new name and create new IP? If a European Fallout has no real links to the American Fallout other than a vague timeline, why make them the same at all? The original Fallout was heavily influenced by Mad Max, but the game released by Black Isle was called Fallout, not Mad Max:American Fallout. A game influenced by Fallout set in Europe? That sounds great and I'd eagerly look forward to such a title, but in my mind it should be released as a seperate title and IP.

I don't see why the two couldn't be linked. As seen from Fallout 2 and even more so in Fallout New Vegas, society is being reformed and the human race is busy being human. This means expansion. This means eventually the entire of the US will be cleansed of the mutant threat and government will slowly be formed over time. After that? Where else but overseas. Maybe the plot revolves around Super Mutants or Ghouls fleeing the US because of this, but either way there's no reason why the two cannot have a link to each other.

Two worlds, one universe. Is what I'm saying just not making any sense?

 

[BlumiereBleck]

People are only for it because its where they live. And it wouldn't anyone remember the substations burning alive anyone in them. So all sewer and subways that the other countries had...0 protection from the bombs. Making survival for other countries slim to none. Tenpenny left england cause he said it was awful...keep in mind he was very old. Making the english people dying quickly. Ghouls everywhere. IT WOULD NOT BE A FALLOUT if it were anywhere else. People just give it a rest

 

[Inner Pickle]

I would love to explore an irradiated wasteland that isn't America. This whole USA focussed setting in games has really got to stop. There are so many other vibrant and colourful cultures to blow up.

Personally I think The UK is a good setting to explore the fallout universe. The British as a nation would very much suit an irradiated wasteland and our dry sense of humour I believe would compliment the extended universe. Technically Vault-Tec's involvement is a moot issue considering there are hundreds of air raid shelters dotted around the country from the second world war not to mention all our abandoned mines, tube stations, train tunnels, sewage systems, mountainous regions and highlands.

It has been mentioned that Fallout has a distinctly Wild West feel to it. The UKs rich history offers many examples of us doing this before the yanks did. I mean look at the legends of Robin Hood and the lawlessness and brutality of the middle ages the UKs version of a lawless, hopeless wasteland does not have to directly mirror the former US's.

Basically I just have the image of all the old war propaganda 'Keep Calm and Carry on' and such like. Middle aged men with large moustache's, old BBC recordings. A radio station playing God Save The Queen. Foghorns and church bells in the distance. And lots and lots of rain, irradiated rain.

 

[BakaSmurf]

No Enclave? There weren't any Enclave in NV.

Actually, yes, the Enclave is in New Vegas, you just have to go out of your way to find it.

Spoiler: Hint hint

Do you remember when Arcade sarcastically told you that he used to 'work for an facist, power-hungry organization?'

...Yeah, you may want to keep bugging him about that.

OT:
If the developers did a well enough job of making the lore actually seem like something out of a Fallout game and nailed the general feel of the franchise right on the head, I think a Fallout set in a European country would work just fine, hell, it'd be worth it just to see a war-torn Big Ben set against the sun as you step out of yout safehouse for the first time.

Then a freaky swamp-man jumps you and eats your face off because you forgot to pick up a rifle on your way out (London was built on top of a swamp, afterall, wasn't it?). Awesome.

 

[Westaway]

It could work. It wouldnt be a sequel, and it probably couldnt even be attached to any previous storylines, but it would be a very interesting way to contrast different cultures. It would be a brand new game in a brand new setting in the same old world. The problem of course is that it might take some work to get the game to be good, and that might not happen on the first try, but maybe eventually.

That being said, I think the most interesting ones would be UK, China, Canada (they mentioned Ronto in F3, so I think something with that will come up eventually. I like how Canada isnt just forgotten, and has grown just as the US has, and is apparently a military powerhouse too), and maybe Russia. or not russia, ecause thats basically what metro 2083 was, except darker, creepier, and very different.

Fallout Manitoba.
"It would be trecherous!"