WoW Player Claims Kicked from Guild for Being Deaf

[Littlee300]

How about you pack your shit in. Realise that there are WoW Guilds that play to win against the hardest content Blizzard can throw at them. You have to be a well oiled machine to do that, end of story Don't argue with me because I am right! <.<.

Oi, just preparation beforehand and he if ever made a mistake that actually caused a raid wipe they could tell him what he did wrong in one sentence and then revive. Unless he also had was dumb I have no sympathy for the guild.

Voice communication is the most effective system for about 90% of guilds. It takes rare talent and lots of experience to do the raids without it. I don't have that talent; so I rely on the voice chat.

If this guy has the talent, no doubt with good leadership he'll take his guild far. Which is the best way to get back at the crew that kicked him out; don't get mad, get even and then some.

DBM
He has been with the guild for 4 years already
it takes no more then 5 minutes to give him all the advice he needs

 

[HellspawnCandy]

It's what happens with WoW, desensitized jerks sometimes act crude for no reason. But I can see why the guild leader did such a terrible thing, if his guild cleared naxx 10man once or even a few times then there's something going wrong. Anyways you can do an entire raid with just dbm and having knowledge of mechanics and such. Good to know that people are supporting him though.

 

[emeraldrafael]

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Maybe, but it stands to reason. Besides, its more then the snowball fight (also, diversity is better rather then worse. I know the woods and survival instincts like the back of my hand and my black friend has military training so together we beat any regular person of any color). You said yourself, its a kids game, just its being played by teenagers. WoW is a kid's game. Yes, perhaps you need to be older to understand all of its fine points, but its still a kids game, cause an eight year old can get on and play, its a kids game. People are jerks, but rules should be made. When you make a system, you as a developer should take the responsibility to make such rules not able to exist. This maybe blowing it out of proportion, but where does this stop? You'll get guilds that dont let you in based on the color of your skin (in real life and/or as avatar), gender, and/or race.

Also, perhaps you are missing this, but he lost his real social life. I dont see a WoW addict, I see a person who just wants to find a place where he can be accepted. Is that so wrong? To want to be somehwere where you can be accepted? I dont think so, but then again, I'm an idealist, nothing wrong with that. I'm realistic about my expectations, but that doesnt mean you cant look forward to hope to change.

And they do make games for people who suffer seizures. They tell you how long you should play if you read the instructions, tell you this game could cause seizures. Its not ostracizing in the industry when you make games like that, its the person's ignorance. On the reverse, I dont see it as ignorance to want to play an MMORPG and think that at least one group will accept you. Should we hate the other guilds that rejected him? No, hate's a strong expression. But it should be frowned on if they rejected him for being deaf or that they wont let him participate in one of the key aspects of the game for being deaf? Of course. Its not right, IMO.

I cant go much farther with this, I know I wont change your mind, but that was never my intention. I just cant go farther without delving into your personal life, and neither I nor you want that. But thats my piece on it. Its just where you draw the line.

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If you're being serious, thank you. I try my best, thats about it. Sorry, I dont pick up on sarcasm well, and its been used against me before in guise of being nice.

 

[Salem_Wolf]

If you're being serious, thank you. I try my best, thats about it. Sorry, I dont pick up on sarcasm well, and its been used against me before in guise of being nice.

Nope. I was being serious, I really enjoyed reading your reply. I had to click to see what I said but hah, no I was serious.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

How about you pack your shit in. Realise that there are WoW Guilds that play to win against the hardest content Blizzard can throw at them. You have to be a well oiled machine to do that, end of story Don't argue with me because I am right! <.<.

Oi, just preparation beforehand and he if ever made a mistake that actually caused a raid wipe they could tell him what he did wrong in one sentence and then revive. Unless he also had was dumb I have no sympathy for the guild.

Voice communication is the most effective system for about 90% of guilds. It takes rare talent and lots of experience to do the raids without it. I don't have that talent; so I rely on the voice chat.

If this guy has the talent, no doubt with good leadership he'll take his guild far. Which is the best way to get back at the crew that kicked him out; don't get mad, get even and then some.

DBM
He has been with the guild for 4 years already
it takes no more then 5 minutes to give him all the advice he needs

DBM does not allow for on the fly changes that may occur and typing them would take too long during an active encounter.

 

[Kortney]

I think the saying: "It's a game" can be applied here to both parties.

Considering he had been through a rather tragic event and was looking for some escapism in WoW, I assure you it was more than "just a game" for him at the moment.

Hence why he needs to be reminded it is just a game.

 

[binvjoh]

I think the saying: "It's a game" can be applied here to both parties.

Considering he had been through a rather tragic event and was looking for some escapism in WoW, I assure you it was more than "just a game" for him at the moment.

Hence why he needs to be reminded it is just a game.

I don't think you're understanding what I'm getting at. A game can have a profound effect on people, saying things like "it's just a game" undermines our medium as an artform.

 

[Kortney]

I think the saying: "It's a game" can be applied here to both parties.

Considering he had been through a rather tragic event and was looking for some escapism in WoW, I assure you it was more than "just a game" for him at the moment.

Hence why he needs to be reminded it is just a game.

I don't think you're understanding what I'm getting at. A game can have a profound effect on people, saying things like "it's just a game" undermines our medium as an artform.

No it doesn't. It's just reminding this particular man to stop acting like it's the end of the world because some dick kicked him from a guild.

I'd say the same if someone was distraught over a film, book, song or painting. It's not healthy to be.

 

[binvjoh]

I think the saying: "It's a game" can be applied here to both parties.

Considering he had been through a rather tragic event and was looking for some escapism in WoW, I assure you it was more than "just a game" for him at the moment.

Hence why he needs to be reminded it is just a game.

I don't think you're understanding what I'm getting at. A game can have a profound effect on people, saying things like "it's just a game" undermines our medium as an artform.

No it doesn't. It's just reminding this particular man to stop acting like it's the end of the world because some dick kicked him from a guild.

I'd say the same if someone was distraught over a film, book, song or painting. It's not healthy to be.

Then we have very different mindsets.

 

[Kortney]

I think the saying: "It's a game" can be applied here to both parties.

Considering he had been through a rather tragic event and was looking for some escapism in WoW, I assure you it was more than "just a game" for him at the moment.

Hence why he needs to be reminded it is just a game.

I don't think you're understanding what I'm getting at. A game can have a profound effect on people, saying things like "it's just a game" undermines our medium as an artform.

No it doesn't. It's just reminding this particular man to stop acting like it's the end of the world because some dick kicked him from a guild.

I'd say the same if someone was distraught over a film, book, song or painting. It's not healthy to be.

Then we have very different mindsets.

So you support this man victimising himself, for a series of events we know next to nothing about, over a video game? Surely that's not doing anything other than making himself feel terrible.

And like I said in an earlier post, I'm not convinced by this guys story. The way he writes makes me think that he could of acted inappropriately too. But, as I also said earlier, if I had to take a side I would take that of the deaf man's. I just don't see why he couldn't of reported them to Blizzard (if they really were as abusive and awful as he made out) and joined one of the many other guilds who wouldn't ever do such an awful thing.

 

[binvjoh]

I think the saying: "It's a game" can be applied here to both parties.

Considering he had been through a rather tragic event and was looking for some escapism in WoW, I assure you it was more than "just a game" for him at the moment.

Hence why he needs to be reminded it is just a game.

I don't think you're understanding what I'm getting at. A game can have a profound effect on people, saying things like "it's just a game" undermines our medium as an artform.

No it doesn't. It's just reminding this particular man to stop acting like it's the end of the world because some dick kicked him from a guild.

I'd say the same if someone was distraught over a film, book, song or painting. It's not healthy to be.

Then we have very different mindsets.

So you support this man victimising himself, for a series of events we know next to nothing about, over a video game? Surely that's not doing anything other than making himself feel terrible.

And like I said in an earlier post, I'm not convinced by this guys story. The way he writes makes me think that he could of acted inappropriately too. But, as I also said earlier, if I had to take a side I would take that of the deaf man's. I just don't see why he couldn't of reported them to Blizzard (if they really were as abusive and awful as he made out) and joined one of the many other guilds who wouldn't ever do such an awful thing.

I wasn't actually referring to the story in my previous post, but the fact that I feel it's perfectly natural and healthy to be emotionally affected by a game, movie, book, etc.

 

[Kortney]

I wasn't actually referring to the story in my previous post, but the fact that I feel it's perfectly natural and healthy to be emotionally affected by a game, movie, book, etc.

I agree that art should have an effect on people too. I just don't see why that is relevant at all. How was he affected by art here? How is the fact games are an art form relevant to this situation? I'm just confused as to why you are bringing that into the conversation - because I don't disagree with that outlook at all.

 

[binvjoh]

I wasn't actually referring to the story in my previous post, but the fact that I feel it's perfectly natural and healthy to be emotionally affected by a game, movie, book, etc.

I agree that art should have an effect on people too. I just don't see why that is relevant at all. How was he affected by art here? How is the fact games are an art form relevant to this situation? I'm just confused as to why you are bringing that into the conversation - because I don't disagree with that outlook at all.

I'm bringing this up because you seemed to dismiss any sort of emotional impact this could have had on him simply because "it's just a game".

 

[Kortney]

I wasn't actually referring to the story in my previous post, but the fact that I feel it's perfectly natural and healthy to be emotionally affected by a game, movie, book, etc.

I agree that art should have an effect on people too. I just don't see why that is relevant at all. How was he affected by art here? How is the fact games are an art form relevant to this situation? I'm just confused as to why you are bringing that into the conversation - because I don't disagree with that outlook at all.

I'm bringing this up because you seemed to dismiss any sort of emotional impact this could have had on him simply because "it's just a game".

I see, but he was affected by another person, not an art form. My "it's just a game" comment was in no way referring to the video game industry itself - it's just a nice way of saying "stop whining and move on to another guild". I never advocate self victimisation over something as silly as some dick on the internet.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[gigastrike]

Why are people so kick-happy when it comes to guilds? It's not like he's doing anything that would hurt the guild.

 

[binvjoh]

I wasn't actually referring to the story in my previous post, but the fact that I feel it's perfectly natural and healthy to be emotionally affected by a game, movie, book, etc.

I agree that art should have an effect on people too. I just don't see why that is relevant at all. How was he affected by art here? How is the fact games are an art form relevant to this situation? I'm just confused as to why you are bringing that into the conversation - because I don't disagree with that outlook at all.

I'm bringing this up because you seemed to dismiss any sort of emotional impact this could have had on him simply because "it's just a game".

I see, but he was affected by another person, not an art form. My "it's just a game" comment was in no way referring to the video game industry itself - it's just a nice way of saying "stop whining and move on to another guild". I never advocate self victimisation over something as silly as some dick on the internet.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I guess it all comes down to whether or not the story we've been given is an accurate description of what happend.

 

[jaing1138]

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I'm not saying tough love, I was just commenting on people's attitudes and that he should have seen this coming.

I feel a bit of sympathy, but I really have a hard time feeling sympathy for someone I don't know, and will likely never known because I will likely never see them in real life. Would I have done the same thing in the Guild Leader's shoes? Not exactly, I would have said "alright, lets see what you can do still" and would have given him a chance, but he mentioned having a falling out with the leader, so how am I supposed to know that he was the "victim" without further proof? I can victimize myself in a lot of crap I've done, it's really simple, and even simpler online.


EDIT: And yes, I jacked up the quote thing... ahh well

That's fair enough, the subject was just a little too close to home for me a think.

 

[Littlee300]

How about you pack your shit in. Realise that there are WoW Guilds that play to win against the hardest content Blizzard can throw at them. You have to be a well oiled machine to do that, end of story Don't argue with me because I am right! <.<.

Oi, just preparation beforehand and he if ever made a mistake that actually caused a raid wipe they could tell him what he did wrong in one sentence and then revive. Unless he also had was dumb I have no sympathy for the guild.

Voice communication is the most effective system for about 90% of guilds. It takes rare talent and lots of experience to do the raids without it. I don't have that talent; so I rely on the voice chat.

If this guy has the talent, no doubt with good leadership he'll take his guild far. Which is the best way to get back at the crew that kicked him out; don't get mad, get even and then some.

DBM
He has been with the guild for 4 years already
it takes no more then 5 minutes to give him all the advice he needs

DBM does not allow for on the fly changes that may occur and typing them would take too long during an active encounter.

l: I said this before, they could tell him beforehand and saying DBM isn't too slow for me.