WoW Player Claims Kicked from Guild for Being Deaf
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You don't, as you've just proved. You measure not having fun. You never measure fun.Indecipherable said:
Arguing for the sake of it isn't fun either.
Im not gonna bother reading all ten pages just to see similar stories, but i want to share the story of a magnificent deaf wow player.
Back in vanilla i was head of a guild that was clearing molten core and parts of blackwing lair. As we progressed in molten core this warlock was applying. He was deaf, but he had some gear and the right mindset. Now in a 40 man raid, atleast in molten core it wouldnt matter if someone was deaf. Simply because they could disappear in the masses. However, this warlock would perfect his job and i would do written instructions at specific bosses which he would execute without any problem. He was also easily top 10 and alot of times top 5 on damage.
I left the server at TBC launch, but migrated a char over to my old server half a year into WOTLK. Now my old deaf friend was in the top guild of the server doing hardmodes of Ulduar.
There is no doubt that not letting deaf people into your guild just cause of their handicap is
a huge mistake.
But it doesnt shock me that it occured as described by the OP. WoW is stuffed with rotten people that want their shiny epics before learning how to play their character. Thats why i left. You can get used to hating other people in those kinda games.
Back in vanilla i was head of a guild that was clearing molten core and parts of blackwing lair. As we progressed in molten core this warlock was applying. He was deaf, but he had some gear and the right mindset. Now in a 40 man raid, atleast in molten core it wouldnt matter if someone was deaf. Simply because they could disappear in the masses. However, this warlock would perfect his job and i would do written instructions at specific bosses which he would execute without any problem. He was also easily top 10 and alot of times top 5 on damage.
I left the server at TBC launch, but migrated a char over to my old server half a year into WOTLK. Now my old deaf friend was in the top guild of the server doing hardmodes of Ulduar.
There is no doubt that not letting deaf people into your guild just cause of their handicap is
a huge mistake.
But it doesnt shock me that it occured as described by the OP. WoW is stuffed with rotten people that want their shiny epics before learning how to play their character. Thats why i left. You can get used to hating other people in those kinda games.
First off it's not that he was deaf that got him kicked, he just couldn't raid which pissed him off, then he started a fight with the guild leader which lead to him being kicked.strangeotron said:
Second don't tell people how to play, you act like everyone needs to play how you play which is stupid. If you were on a MLG team and couldn't pull your weight and lost a few matches I bet they would kick you out. I don't play competitively, but I have friends I do and I wouldn't ask to join them because I suck at most fps games. Also I would suggest not to play on Xbox Live cause you will run in to people who will yell and ***** at ya for not "winning" for the team.
The thing is that you're not getting is they enjoy it and they love competition. Do you hate sports teams too because they play to win also, I was shocked I lasted as long as I did on my high school swim team (and I'm a fat and slow S.O.B., the slowest on the team) but if I wasn't allowed to compete I wouldn't cry about it they want to win. And he seems to have raided with them before so maybe he was competitive with them also.strangeotron said:
End of the day your just harping how you hate how people play and wish they didn't play they way you hate. Why not get rid of multiplayer all together because where ever there is competition in some form it will get much more fierce.
Dude stop being a douche, he ask a good question. Should one person spoil the fun of the whole group? If that could was a turkey farm and the deaf kid was a sick chick he would have been stomped on to keep the others from being sick. Same thing, he wasn't allowed to raid because he would have hamped the groups fun. He gets mad and fights with the Guild Leader and then gets banned.strangeotron said:
I tried it for a while when the first expansion came out. It's really slow going. But if you give it a chance it becomes addictive very quickly. Once you reach the capital cities, start making bonds with other players, and start raiding the dungeons you feel like you actually make an impact... at least for a short while.JewZombie said:I like the elder scrolls games though. I might have played WOW if I started playing it when it first came outJewrean said:RPGs (and MMORPGs especially) aren't about quick exciting thrills and violence. It's a progressive experience that builds and builds as your character does. As you learn more and more about the world and what populates it you become attached to it and your character. It isn't about a single battle with a giant rat in the forest or something, you need to take the game in it's entirety before you can have a genuine opinion of a MMORPG. For something with a much clearer feedback might I recommend anything on a games console.JewZombie said:
As someone with the word 'Jew' in there name I'm sure you'll understand brother.
The people saying that Vent is required for raiding: You're wrong. In fact, you're DEAD wrong.
Intelligence, intuition and preperation is (and will always be) the primary factor for succes.
Specifically, people with disabled senses often find amazing ways to compensate once attuned to their lacking senses. No, that doesn't mean he will perform 100% of how he did before, but even 95% is acceptable, especially if his general level was already above other guildmembers which are still being brought to raid.
The communication requirement for deaf people isn't that harsh if they know the tactics, and in that case, giving the essential info to the deaf guy in text doesn't take long and isn't the slightest bit complicated, so the only excuse for not doing it that way is because you're either amongst the top XX guilds in the world or because you're lazy.
So in short, unless he wasn't any good at WoW to begin with, then:
- The guild was a bunch of douches
- The kick was unnecessary (as was any exclusion of him from raiding)
- Anyone saying the guild was right, is wrong. Period.
And yes, this is by Cataclysm raiding standards as well. Cataclysm raids raised the intelligence requirements for raiding, yes, that still isn't going to matter for people who meet the intelligence requirements.
Of course, all of this could more or less have been alleviated for disabled people even more if Blizzard hadn't thrown a hissyfit over the AVR addon being the idiots that they are sometimes. Fortunatly HudMap still exists, although it's an inferior solution.
Intelligence, intuition and preperation is (and will always be) the primary factor for succes.
Specifically, people with disabled senses often find amazing ways to compensate once attuned to their lacking senses. No, that doesn't mean he will perform 100% of how he did before, but even 95% is acceptable, especially if his general level was already above other guildmembers which are still being brought to raid.
The communication requirement for deaf people isn't that harsh if they know the tactics, and in that case, giving the essential info to the deaf guy in text doesn't take long and isn't the slightest bit complicated, so the only excuse for not doing it that way is because you're either amongst the top XX guilds in the world or because you're lazy.
So in short, unless he wasn't any good at WoW to begin with, then:
- The guild was a bunch of douches
- The kick was unnecessary (as was any exclusion of him from raiding)
- Anyone saying the guild was right, is wrong. Period.
And yes, this is by Cataclysm raiding standards as well. Cataclysm raids raised the intelligence requirements for raiding, yes, that still isn't going to matter for people who meet the intelligence requirements.
Of course, all of this could more or less have been alleviated for disabled people even more if Blizzard hadn't thrown a hissyfit over the AVR addon being the idiots that they are sometimes. Fortunatly HudMap still exists, although it's an inferior solution.
Am I missing something here? I was certain that the guy was kicked AND THEN IGNORED by people he thought were his friends. You hang around some people for long certainly at least one of those guys you would call a friend. So what I gathered was that the problem wasn't him being kicked out of a raiding guild for suddenly becoming deaf, but those people kicked him out and then shunned him entirely because of a freak accident.
Did I misread something? Let me know, otherwise everyone here sounds like they've missed the point entirely.
Did I misread something? Let me know, otherwise everyone here sounds like they've missed the point entirely.
How about you pack your shit in. Realise that there are WoW Guilds that play to win against the hardest content Blizzard can throw at them. You have to be a well oiled machine to do that, end of story.strangeotron said:
If you quit at level 36 then you NEVER got within pissing distance of a raid. Raids are large instances designed to be done by players at level cap, so at a minimum you're 24 levels away from anything resembling a raid.Secret world leader (shhh) said:
On the topic at hand it sounds like our OP overreacted to being told no, understandable due to extreme circumstances. His guild leader had every right to revoke his raiding spot if he was no longer able to communicate effectively; text does not cut in a Raid.
However; his removal from the guild is very odd; the guild leader should maybe have let him have his rant and cool off. Then come back to discuss it again later so cooler heads may have prevailed.
That said, from I understand, this guy has gone and had the ultimate revenge, as it were. He's formed his own crew and that puts him in a position to kick his old guild where it hurts.
I wish him luck.
Oi, if they just prepared the deaf guy in the first place with knowledge of the dungeon before hand then he would be ok. Being deaf doesn't kick you out of most sports. These are ears not hands!Zannah said:
I am guessing he got attached to his cyber friends. Obviously he isn't hardened.MrJoyless said:
Now normally i would just have to say "thems the breaks". He can't expect a job in telemarketing or the like, so if he cant vent then oh well. Of course, homework and DBMs change this argument a lot. If he can still raid effectively with these tools, then there's not really a problem, and the guild has nothing to lose in at least trying.
...then i read that he'd been with his guild for 4 years. This guild no longer has an excuse. Dick move, guild. Dick move.
...then i read that he'd been with his guild for 4 years. This guild no longer has an excuse. Dick move, guild. Dick move.
Oi, just preparation beforehand and he if ever made a mistake that actually caused a raid wipe they could tell him what he did wrong in one sentence and then revive. Unless he also had was dumb I have no sympathy for the guild.Gordon_4 said:
Voice communication is the most effective system for about 90% of guilds. It takes rare talent and lots of experience to do the raids without it. I don't have that talent; so I rely on the voice chat.Littlee300 said:
If this guy has the talent, no doubt with good leadership he'll take his guild far. Which is the best way to get back at the crew that kicked him out; don't get mad, get even and then some.
To be honest, it doesn't sound like being deaf got this guy kicked from his guild. I will grant that it meant he couldn't raid anymore, because his guild felt he would be a liability. You don't see them letting deaf people into militaries, if you're going to be relying on a form of audio communication, it's important to be able to actually hear. I'm fairly certain it was the tantrum he threw that got him kicked out. Generally speaking it's that kind of thing that get's you kicked out of more casual guilds, and if that's the case then he doesn't get any sympathy from me because he's deaf. I mean, it sucks that he's deafened but that doesn't give him any extra moral high ground for his tantrum.