WoW Player Claims Kicked from Guild for Being Deaf
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He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.RaikuFA said:
His guild rules he was in stated he needed vent or he can't raid, he said he had a blow out with the Guild Leader cause he couldn't use vent and wasn't allowed to raid (he did not say kicked out just yet). Then after the blow out (key word is after) he was kicked, and he didn't say what the blow out consisted of (he co
Yep, I like to see you fly a fighter plane if your legally blind. He didn't ban the guy for being deaf, he just said he can't raid. The deaf guy said he had a blow out then was blocked, so he must have done something to cause it.RaikuFA said:
But it's cool to takes sides without hearing a story huh
You dont need to be able to hear to perform in a game that uses a point and click interface. For that matter, you don't need to be able to see very well, seeing as Im on the DoW2 leaderboardspoiumty said:
Marry me.Akalabeth said:
More seriously, you couldn't've come closer to my own thoughts if you were reading them in an open book.
id rather do that then have you guys try and kill me for being mentally disabledArehexes said:Yep, I like to see you fly a fighter plane if your legally blind. He didn't ban the guy for being deaf, he just said he can't raid. The deaf guy said he had a blow out then was blocked, so he must have done something to cause it.RaikuFA said:
But it's cool to takes sides without hearing a story huh
You seemed to have ignored what I said happened between the guy and guild leader.RaikuFA said:id rather do that then have you guys try and kill me for being mentally disabledArehexes said:Yep, I like to see you fly a fighter plane if your legally blind. He didn't ban the guy for being deaf, he just said he can't raid. The deaf guy said he had a blow out then was blocked, so he must have done something to cause it.RaikuFA said:
But it's cool to takes sides without hearing a story huh
He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.
Going by the deaf kid's post in this order
1)He was told he couldn't rand unless he could use vent
Guilds have rules and some guilds require you to use vent, others do not. I don't know why he just didn't leave and look for one who would let him go without vent. It's the Guild Leaders guild and he makes the rules. If you can't wear a shirt for some reason and you go into a store, they can kick you out because they don't allow service without a shirt
2)He was mad and had a "huge blow out" with the guild leader
What was the fight about, what did the Guild Leader say and what did the deaf kid say. See it's his word only and he could be lying (it's not hard to do on the internet). So because of a unknown fight he was put on ignore.
He didn't say he was kicked due to being deaf, he was not allowed to raid and was then kicked after a fight about it.
And with this being the representative, I will find bliss in my ignorance.poiumty said:
That is probably the most awesome outcome this thing could have had it.Salem_Wolf said:Actually, he did form his own guild.
thats great. now we have an actual guild that dosent hate people for being diffrent. unlike how ive seen on here. with this type of attitude ive seen i sure wont be giving blizzard any of my money for a subpar MMO where 99% of its players think theyre the defenition of perfectionSalem_Wolf said:Actually, he did form his own guild.poiumty said:
You mean after crying about getting kicked from a guild? You do know you complained about competitiveness with people, yet your glad the guy made a guild after crying getting kicked from a competitive guild, which he will try to compete with the guild that kicked him most likely.Caiti Voltaire said:And with this being the representative, I will find bliss in my ignorance.poiumty said:
That is probably the most awesome outcome this thing could have had it.Salem_Wolf said:Actually, he did form his own guild.
Well what disability do you have, is it not being able to read a whole comment. I'm still waiting on your thoughts on thisRaikuFA said:thats great. now we have an actual guild that dosent hate people for being diffrentSalem_Wolf said:Actually, he did form his own guild.poiumty said:
He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.
well?
WoW is turning a bit into politics and religion.
Don't talk about it at the dinner table.
"OH YEAH?! WELL, MY GEAR SCORE IS..."
It's one of those things that some people take very seriously, and others not so seriously.
Some people are incredibly religious, and others keep religion very separate from their family/social lives.
Some people watch Political News Stations or Shows all the time, and debate/argue with their peers about what CNN said, or what Fox News said. And other people simply want nothing to do with politics.
And some people treat World of Warcraft like it is their life, and play the game as such, and other people treat it like a game.
Like it was stated, some people do things differently, and perhaps they enjoy it that way.
It's also interesting to see the moral conflict: "No, you should have let him stay, look at what this guy's been through," and "No, it's like a team, if that person can't pull his weight, he shouldn't be on the team."
In a Survival situation, and this doesn't perfectly to the story, but does fit with what I'm trying to say; If you have a group of 10 people, and one gets crippled (lost of senses, broken bones, disease, etc.), the nine left will feel that they should not abandon a comrade because of a moral, but do know they will not be able to survive or will be slowed down significantly by keeping this crippled person with them. What will they pick? The noble action? Or the action that will save the lives of the nine left?
According to this little Life-or-Death scenario, if there is a person who can no longer help the group, they will be cast aside.
However, the situation in the thread is not Life-or-Death.
The guy couldn't raid any more. He could have accepted that, perhaps stuck with his guild while he looked for a less serious one to raid with, and he could have raided in one guild, and been with his friends.
But, as some people have pointed out, the letter doesn't state what CAUSED the blow out, but does state that the author was pissed. So, more than likely, the reason for his ban from the guild was not that he was deaf, but that he made a choice to start a fight. I can understand what he must have been feeling, but there was a better choice to have been made.
I'm probably rambling, and if any two (or eight) parts don't make sense, tell me.
Don't talk about it at the dinner table.
"OH YEAH?! WELL, MY GEAR SCORE IS..."
It's one of those things that some people take very seriously, and others not so seriously.
Some people are incredibly religious, and others keep religion very separate from their family/social lives.
Some people watch Political News Stations or Shows all the time, and debate/argue with their peers about what CNN said, or what Fox News said. And other people simply want nothing to do with politics.
And some people treat World of Warcraft like it is their life, and play the game as such, and other people treat it like a game.
Like it was stated, some people do things differently, and perhaps they enjoy it that way.
It's also interesting to see the moral conflict: "No, you should have let him stay, look at what this guy's been through," and "No, it's like a team, if that person can't pull his weight, he shouldn't be on the team."
In a Survival situation, and this doesn't perfectly to the story, but does fit with what I'm trying to say; If you have a group of 10 people, and one gets crippled (lost of senses, broken bones, disease, etc.), the nine left will feel that they should not abandon a comrade because of a moral, but do know they will not be able to survive or will be slowed down significantly by keeping this crippled person with them. What will they pick? The noble action? Or the action that will save the lives of the nine left?
According to this little Life-or-Death scenario, if there is a person who can no longer help the group, they will be cast aside.
However, the situation in the thread is not Life-or-Death.
The guy couldn't raid any more. He could have accepted that, perhaps stuck with his guild while he looked for a less serious one to raid with, and he could have raided in one guild, and been with his friends.
But, as some people have pointed out, the letter doesn't state what CAUSED the blow out, but does state that the author was pissed. So, more than likely, the reason for his ban from the guild was not that he was deaf, but that he made a choice to start a fight. I can understand what he must have been feeling, but there was a better choice to have been made.
I'm probably rambling, and if any two (or eight) parts don't make sense, tell me.
With the limited information available, I'd have to come down on the side of the guild for this one. Despite what you may think, being able to effectively communicate is pretty damn important and typing doesn't cut it sometimes. I see no reason why the deaf guy couldn't go on raids that the guild ended up beating and putting on farm status, but he would have hurt the progression team.
Now, being deaf shouldn't justify kicking someone from a guild. And it seems in this case it didn't. Read "He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once."
I have this habit of taking whatever story someone tells me about whatever happened to them and knocking it a few notches towards them looking worse, since most people like to paint themselves in the best possible light, especially when it comes to drama. So, when I read that, I see "He tells me that I can't raid unless I have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After bitching at him and starting a fight, I get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Insert an unnecessary petty stab at them for further self-justification and ego soothing." That last line is kinda important as it clues me into a bit of his personality.
So yeah, I think that headline could be misleading as far as what really happened. He probably didn't get kicked for being deaf(hell, they were fine with him being deaf). A more accurate headline would most likely read "WoW Player kicked from Guild for Raging at Guild Leader."
Or I could be completely wrong and the guild and guild leader are cock munches. The saddest part is how many people will accept this guys testimony as 100% true without an inquisitive thought entering their head. At least he gives a great example of how easily it can be to manipulate people using common media methods.
edit: also, as is important in any drama related to WoW, chat logs, chat logs, and more chat logs. If there are no chat logs, your story is pretty much open to interpretation.
Now, being deaf shouldn't justify kicking someone from a guild. And it seems in this case it didn't. Read "He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once."
I have this habit of taking whatever story someone tells me about whatever happened to them and knocking it a few notches towards them looking worse, since most people like to paint themselves in the best possible light, especially when it comes to drama. So, when I read that, I see "He tells me that I can't raid unless I have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After bitching at him and starting a fight, I get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Insert an unnecessary petty stab at them for further self-justification and ego soothing." That last line is kinda important as it clues me into a bit of his personality.
So yeah, I think that headline could be misleading as far as what really happened. He probably didn't get kicked for being deaf(hell, they were fine with him being deaf). A more accurate headline would most likely read "WoW Player kicked from Guild for Raging at Guild Leader."
Or I could be completely wrong and the guild and guild leader are cock munches. The saddest part is how many people will accept this guys testimony as 100% true without an inquisitive thought entering their head. At least he gives a great example of how easily it can be to manipulate people using common media methods.
edit: also, as is important in any drama related to WoW, chat logs, chat logs, and more chat logs. If there are no chat logs, your story is pretty much open to interpretation.
aspergers and ive dealt with discrimination as well which is why im defending himArehexes said:Well what disability do you have, is it not being able to read a whole comment. I'm still waiting on your thoughts on thisRaikuFA said:thats great. now we have an actual guild that dosent hate people for being diffrentSalem_Wolf said:Actually, he did form his own guild.poiumty said:
He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.
well?