WTF is a Red Piller?

[Dizchu]

Men's Rights Activists.

It's like white pride advocates, in theory one of them somewhere might not be a complete wanker, but no-one's ever found one who isn't.

Ehh, I can relate to your opinion but I think there should be a bit of context. While I find MRAs as nebulous and ill-defined a group as feminists (though admittedly more likely to be complete imbeciles) many contributors to the "MRA lexicon" if there's such a thing were either formerly or even currently feminists. They thought that sexism that disadvantages men and gives women an advantage (some may call this benevolent sexism) needed addressing because mainstream feminism wasn't doing it.

But now we get the "RedPill" types that are extremely cynical, self-loathing, misogynistic and even misanthropic. This is the kind of environment your Elliot Rodgers found themselves at home with (except the pick-up artists part which really seems to split MRAs in two).

It's all a big mess. I encourage everyone to stay far away from single-gender communities that are hostile to outsiders.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

I think having a website named "we hunted the mammoth" is a perfect example of the Neanderthal mindset these guys have. "Wah, times have changed and I can't get by on machismo anymore. Unfair!"

That site actually is against people like them. The name was taken from a stupid comment and they actually named it that to make fun of the comment. It pretty much just points out awful things MRAs and other anti-feminists say.

 

[Alfons]

Kopikatsu puts it too kindly, IMO. Most of what I've seen from RedPill is uncontested approval of rape apologetics, dehumanization of women (seen quite a lot of threads telling how to "train your woman" and shit like that), claims that men are superior in all forms, that they owe sex to men as a form of currency, etc, etc, etc. Generally the most miosgynist place you'll find on Reddit.

Here's a few revolting thoughts from them.

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/31/red-piller-training-a-loyal-well-behaved-dog-isnt-much-different-than-training-a-loyal-well-behaved-girlfriendplatefwb/

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/02/28/red-pill-theorist-women-are-like-children-except-you-can-have-sex-with-them/

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/22/red-pill-dude-i-dont-hate-women-i-just-think-theyre-vindictive-hurtful-hateful-solipsitic-child-stealing-sociopaths-who-deserve-no-respect/

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/12/15/red-piller-unless-white-women-start-shtting-out-more-babies-western-civilization-is-doomed/

Yeah yeah yeah, "biased source blah blah blah". These aren't fabrications or anything, though. Oh, did I mention that one of the more well-known RedPillers, a man known as Matt Forney, wrote an article entitled "How to beat your girlfriend or wife and get away with it"? Its 100% genuine, not some sort of sick parody or anything. I'm not even going to link it because its so messed up.

Oh, and, uh, I forgot - they use "Alpha" and "Beta" unironically. That alone should be warning enough.

Yeah, I'm quoting this because I want it seen by as many people visiting this thread as possible (sorry for the inbox flag).

Well up there is a post with sources, and anyone who may not immediately identify why the subgroup is inherently detestable is probably beyond my help, but I'll weigh in anyway.

"Red-Pillers" are straight males who, rather than admit they feel ugly or insecure or undesirable and express their desire to be loved openly and positively, have instead decided to belittle and demonise an entire gender, making them out as inferior while simultaneously painting them as oppressors. They're part of that group of men who's folly would almost be tragic and pitiable if they weren't also so genuinely fucking dangerous.

I think having a website named "we hunted the mammoth" is a perfect example of the Neanderthal mindset these guys have. "Wah, times have changed and I can't get by on machismo anymore. Unfair!"

Easy mistake, but We Hunted the Mammoth is actually a blog/outlet designed to tackle mysoginy. If that's what you think then I heartily recommend you give it a look, they do a lot of writing about sexism in the gaming community.

 

[The Lunatic]

That site actually is against people like them. The name was taken from a stupid comment and they actually named it that to make fun of the comment. It pretty much just points out awful things MRAs and other anti-feminists say.

Just kinda seems like the other side of the coin, really.

The worst of the MRA and "Red Pill" people are just a bunch of guys that mock feminists and cherry pick worst cases. Which is basically exactly what this site is doing to the opposite gender.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

That site actually is against people like them. The name was taken from a stupid comment and they actually named it that to make fun of the comment. It pretty much just points out awful things MRAs and other anti-feminists say.

Just kinda seems like the other side of the coin, really.

The worst of the MRA and "Red Pill" people are just a bunch of guys that mock feminists and cherry pick worst cases. Which is basically exactly what this site is doing to the opposite gender.

Uhh no. That is not the worst I see from MRAs and red pill people.

And pointing out instances of MRA etc douchebaggery isn't cherry picking.

 

[Dizchu]

Uhh no. That is not the worst I see from MRAs and red pill people.

And pointing out instances of MRA etc douchebaggery isn't cherry picking.

If you look at (fairly prominent) feminist literature throughout the 20th century you'll find extreme fantasies that involved male genocide.

I know MRAs are douchebags but apart from Elliot Rodger I haven't heard anything on the same level. Oh and it'll most likely never get published.

 

[EclipseoftheDarkSun]

I think perhaps a different kind of pill would be equally appropriate http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/trutv.com/graphics/photos/notorious_murders/family/nancy_kissel/Rohypnol-pills200.jpg Well, apart from the colour that is.

 

[GrumbleGrump]

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!

Walk away OP....burn the thread! Salt the earth!!!!

*sigh*

[sub/]oh how I weep for the day it has bled over here from reddit[\sub]

Ok aside from what others have said...anyone seen the Disney version of hunchback if notre dame?

They think they're pheobus

They think everyone else are quasi modo

They're actually Frollo

My god... So they're all voiced by Tony Jay?!

Imma be a red piller now

I think perhaps a different kind of pill would be equally appropriate http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/trutv.com/graphics/photos/notorious_murders/family/nancy_kissel/Rohypnol-pills200.jpg Well, apart from the colour that is.

Somebody pass the rohypnol... No fuck that, we need some Ambien.

Well, we certainly need somethiens.

 

[LetalisK]

They think the way to fight fire (a fire that is mostly imaginary) is by blanketing it with napalm.

...okay, kidding aside, you can actually put out a fire with high explosive artillery. The explosion basically incinerates what's left of the fuel and, more importantly, suffocates the area from the explosion chewing up all the oxygen.

That said, artillery usually starts fires far more often than puts them out. <.<

 

[Dizchu]

They think the way to fight fire (a fire that is mostly imaginary) is by blanketing it with napalm.

...okay, kidding aside, you can actually put out a fire with high explosive artillery. The explosion basically incinerates what's left of the fuel and, more importantly, suffocates the area from the explosion chewing up all the oxygen.

That said, artillery usually starts fires far more often than puts them out. <.<

Clever though I wonder how well the idiom "fight fire with a supply of oxygen" would catch on.

 

[Gorrath]

Men's Rights Activists.

It's like white pride advocates, in theory one of them somewhere might not be a complete wanker, but no-one's ever found one who isn't.

You may as well make a _____ there and throw any group you want into it. I get that you don't mean that literally, but it's the sort of vapid criticism that people lob at movements when they've nothing productive to say. People say the same nonsense about feminists. And MRA is crucially different than white pride advocates in that men in western society do actually have instances where their sex becomes the reason they are discriminated against. This is well documented and backed up by the same types of statistics people use to show any other kind of discrimination. Fell free to slot me in with the "wankers" if you feel it appropriate though.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Clever though I wonder how well the idiom "fight fire with a supply of oxygen" would catch on.

It was a plot point in a recent Doctor Who story. Not one of their better ones.

And MRA is crucially different than white pride advocates in that men in western society do actually have instances where their sex becomes the reason they are discriminated against. This is well documented and backed up by the same types of statistics people use to show any other kind of discrimination.

Sure, but that's got a lot to do with people who care about such issues, and little to do with MRAs. Likewise, PETA are a bunch of tossers, even though animal cruelty exists.

 

[Gorrath]

Clever though I wonder how well the idiom "fight fire with a supply of oxygen" would catch on.

It was a plot point in a recent Doctor Who story. Not one of their better ones.

And MRA is crucially different than white pride advocates in that men in western society do actually have instances where their sex becomes the reason they are discriminated against. This is well documented and backed up by the same types of statistics people use to show any other kind of discrimination.

Sure, but that's got a lot to do with people who care about such issues, and little to do with MRAs. Likewise, PETA are a bunch of tossers, even though animal cruelty exists.

Except I do care about such issues and I am an MRA. Comparing MRA to PETA is fallacious because one is a whole movement, and one is a single group within a movement. I am a feminist and I very often don't support NOW. I am an animal right's advocate and I don't support PETA ever. Being unwilling to make the distinction between what some MRA groups do/advocate for and what the core ideology of MRA is is no different than someone pretending that PETA speaks for all animal rights advocates.

 

[Godhead]

I came into this thread expecting silly conspiracy truthers or an alchemy thread. I am sorely disappointed.

 

[sombrero_joe]

Redpill is to Men's Rights as SJWs are to Feminism you could say.

Both derogatory terms that are meant to discern the more extremes. Redpillers share many of the same concerns as MRAs(prison sentences, marriage, child custody, genital mutilation, draft, due process and reproductive rights) but thrown in with a whole PUA narrative and an absolute conviction in their ideological beliefs(which easily turns into bigotry).

 

[Infernai]

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!

Walk away OP....burn the thread! Salt the earth!!!!

No, that won't be enough...I'm afraid we have to call in more extreme measures...

In fealty to the God Emperor, our undying lord, I declare Exterminatus upon this Red Piller thread.

I hereby sign the death warrant of an entire thread, and consign a...few dozen souls to Oblivion.

May Imperial Justice account in All Balance.

The Emperor Protects

 

[Schadrach]

Ok so I've been seeing this phrase pop up in the forums in the past few days, and I've no clue what it's trying to describe.

I'm assuming based on the pop culture context, that it's referring to the Matrix, and someone who took the Red Pill, and thus someone who I guess "see's the Truth of the world" ??

I dunno, the context in which it has been used that I've seen, assumes I already know the definition of it, and I've only seen it over the past day or so.

So wtf is the term Red Piller talking about?

A flavor of relatively extremist MRA. http://www.reddit.com/r/theredpill - always better to look at what people believe for yourself, otherwise you end up taking the word of a douchebag like David Futrelle who'll quote mine till he strikes something he can use.

Ahh okies. Thanks for that. It doesn't sound as bad as my imagination made it out to be. Though i'm sure any site with anonymous posting can attract specially dubious intent

...Ponies...?

A bunch of people actually left http://4chan.org during the whole GamerGate mess, and moved to http://8chan.co which is similar, but allows anyone to create any board they want, and the admins generally won't bother you unless you are doing something that is actually illegal.

 

[Schadrach]

I think having a website named "we hunted the mammoth" is a perfect example of the Neanderthal mindset these guys have. "Wah, times have changed and I can't get by on machismo anymore. Unfair!"

Err, you know that "We Hunted the Mammoth" is an anti-MRA site, right? They actually specialize in digging through anything said by anyone who claims to be an MRA looking for something they can declare misogyny, sometimes going so far as to neatly trim quotes out of context. The site used to be called Manboobz. They once held a contest to see if anyone could find an MRA that didn't say anything they'd find misogynistic (then discounted one possibility because they didn't like his positions even though they couldn't find an example of his misogyny in a timely fashion).

My favorite example from there was that they once went on about the utter misogyny of an article that they claimed to be promoting domestic violence against women. The thing is the article in question was satire (poorly done satire, but clearly satire), and even if you completely missed that it was satire and took it at full "Jonathan Swift says we should eat Irish babies" seriousness, the horrific thing it recommended was "if a woman is violent towards you, respond in kind and without restraint", though it was rather graphic about it. It was also originally written in response to an article from Jezebel wherein several Jezebel editors spoke about beating up their boyfriends, and none of them acted like doing so was, you know, a bad thing.

Trim a few quotes, remove the context, ignore that it's satire (though poor satire) and you get how Manboobz/We Hunted the Mammoth presented it. There's a reason I said you should always look to what people actually claim to believe rather than what their enemies accuse them of.

Uhh no. That is not the worst I see from MRAs and red pill people.

And pointing out instances of MRA etc douchebaggery isn't cherry picking.

If you look at (fairly prominent) feminist literature throughout the 20th century you'll find extreme fantasies that involved male genocide.

I know MRAs are douchebags but apart from Elliot Rodger I haven't heard anything on the same level. Oh and it'll most likely never get published.

See, now you are cherry picking, because it's only cherry picking when certain groups are subject to it. Or does it not count because women are the proletariat of gender or some such?

 

[Dizchu]

See, now you are cherry picking, because it's only cherry picking when certain groups are subject to it. Or does it not count because women are the proletariat of gender or some such?

Ohh I'm not making generalisations about feminism, I understand that the people that call for androcide or violence against males are in the minority. The point is, they can't be ignored. Writers like Andrea Dworkin, Sally Miller Gearhart and Robin Morgan sadly characterise certain aspects of feminism and have made contributions to its vast bibliography.

Don't get me wrong, I have more respect for feminism than I do for MRAs but I haven't seen many MRAs call for a severe reduction in the amount of females the way that some feminists have called for reduction in males. I'm not so much cherry-picking as acknowledging that the cherries are there to be picked.