Xbox Live Gets a Price Hike
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What did you get before the NXE update? A shitty cluster fuck of a dashboard, some online content. That's it.
Now that Microsoft put up the price, after numerous updates to the Dashboard, NXE, on demand gaming, USB saving capabilities, HD movies from Zune, Live Streaming among other things.
And you think it's wrong that they hike the price a little bit? Really?
Now that Microsoft put up the price, after numerous updates to the Dashboard, NXE, on demand gaming, USB saving capabilities, HD movies from Zune, Live Streaming among other things.
And you think it's wrong that they hike the price a little bit? Really?
1. XBL is peer to peer. They don't use any money to maintain online play.Eclectic Dreck said:
2. No PSN does have value because it offers many things like MLB. tv etcc.. al in one convient interface for free. . All the fetures on XBL are widely available for free so there is no value in paying for something that you can get access to for free.
3. PSN is hard to navigate? Lolowut? Everything is under a different menu. Its nearly impossible to get lost. Looking for the Bioshock 2 demo. Go to demos, click on ps3 demos go to a-d (or whatever it is) and find the Bioshock demo (which is conbviently in alphabetical order). How hard is that? It seems that you're just nitpicking.
4. Sure they are a business. What I don't appreciate from them is that they value money much more then their actual consumers. they make their system only compatible with thei accessories, they make Kinect for a totally different audience then their current (or the majority of) fanbase and now recently raised the price for XBL... because they can. If you enjoy tat kind of customer support then fine, people have different tastes.
Personally, I think people go for live for that Elitist feeling of greatness over the other platforms. using the price as an excuse to why everything else is shit.
This is why I spend most of my time on steam, a gaming community that bases its self on one sole platform and who can get to the top of the sudo alpha nerd food chain.
This is why I spend most of my time on steam, a gaming community that bases its self on one sole platform and who can get to the top of the sudo alpha nerd food chain.
No, it isn't. Some games use a p2p system to host games. Others have servers maintained by the publishing houses. The service itself is provided by systems owned and operated by Microsoft. The servers that run the VOIP systems, the messaging systems, the market place and so forth are most certainly not p2p, especially not in the fashion you describe.IamSofaKingRaw said:
You are having trouble distinguishing the difference between two different words.IamSofaKingRaw said:
Value refers to somethings relative worth, merit or importance.
Cost refers to the price paid to acquire, produce, accomplish, or maintain anything.
PSN has a value because it offers access to many things. XBL has a value for the same reason. Both services have a cost of operation. Only in one of the cases is the cost regularly passed on to the user.
In such a case you make a value judgment where you weigh the relative value in the service as you see it against it's cost.
And, honestly, was this point really necessary? Do we really need to have an argument of definition when one can simply look up a word to see if it is being used correctly?
Comparatively, yes it is. The entire interface from the store to the online infrastructure to the basic menu operation is far more difficult to navigate than it need be.IamSofaKingRaw said:
Here's a hot tip: a company values customers because customers give them money.IamSofaKingRaw said:
Because the only option I have for wireless networking comes from microsoft? Because the only option I have for a controller comes from microsoft? Because the only option for storage comes from microsoft? Really? This is a point you want to bring up?IamSofaKingRaw said:
I ask because your assertion is either grossly misinformed or an outright pack of lies. Here is one solution for <a href=http://www.pcworld.com/article/156208/doityourself_free_xbox_360_wireless.html>wireless networking that didn't come from microsoft. Or how about the fact that I can use a <a href=http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/27828/Xbox_360_Update_Adding_USB_Flash_Drive_Support_In_April.php>storage device not made by microsoft. Or perhaps we ought to consider the extensive number of xbox 360 <a href = http://www.madcatz.com/Default.asp?Page=212>controllers and accessories produced by just one third party manufacturer.
I find this more amusing than most. I suppose you think that the Move was something other than an attempt to capture that very audience the Kinect is going for? Or perhaps you think that a company that is hemorrhaging cash has no interest in getting all those casual gamers on board?IamSofaKingRaw said:
It matters little why they raised the price. One need not feed me some line of bullshit regarding the various reasons why it's good for me, the consumer. I understand why. They want to increase revenue. It is as simple as that. It is this very drive that is behind the Move, the Kinect, PSN Plus, the various updates and enhancements the timed exclusives and the rest. Microsoft is a business. So is Sony. They both exist for one reason: to make money.IamSofaKingRaw said:
But as I've said before, I don't care what value judgment someone else reaches. I have made mine and I am satisfied with it. What's more, I care even less to carry on a debate when I am faced with an opponent who doesn't even have the common courtesy to ensure the proper use of words critical to the case much less deal in assertions of fact that can be dismissed as falsehoods after a single google search no more than three terms long. I wish you well in your future judgments of value and hope you rest easy knowing that right next to my 360 is a PS3.
Being british and using the yearly subscription, I'm more than happy with this because (a) I wont actually be paying anymore than I currently am, and (b)I already pay more (pound to the dollar) than an american buying a yearly subscription, so the price hike for them means that we'd be on a slightly more even keel.
Also, it might push away a couple of 12 year old griefers and leave Live to those who just like playing online with out the drama.
Selfish? yes. Do I really care? probably not.
Also, it might push away a couple of 12 year old griefers and leave Live to those who just like playing online with out the drama.
Selfish? yes. Do I really care? probably not.
Ironic Pirate said:
Yep, you can talk to each other. Though according to Max here, that's just stupid. Because why do that, when you can do something else?MaxPowers666 said:
Sounds like someone's world is too small to include friends from out of town, or (God forbid) other states/countries. I have college friends all over the country, so it's nice to shoot the shit while watching a movie, even if we can't be in the same room.
Again, is that worth it to you? Your choice.
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
Just a quick link, shows that, with inflation, we've basically been paying roughly $40 a year for the past several years in 2002 money.
So basically they're just adjusting for inflation, regardless of all the stuff they've been putting out.
So 2002 price = new 2010 price.
If anything, you are getting more for your money now than then, and if you only use the multiplayer, you aren't really paying any more money than you were at the start.
Just a quick link, shows that, with inflation, we've basically been paying roughly $40 a year for the past several years in 2002 money.
So basically they're just adjusting for inflation, regardless of all the stuff they've been putting out.
So 2002 price = new 2010 price.
If anything, you are getting more for your money now than then, and if you only use the multiplayer, you aren't really paying any more money than you were at the start.
Steam is just a digital distribution platform with a friends list. the servers you play on are paid for by the PLAYERS. Clans and other people rent the servers for upwards of 35-60 PER MONTH and allow people to play on them for free. So in essence, you playing on those servers and not donating just makes you a freeloading asshole, not at "the top of the sudo alpha nerd food chain" as you put it.Chalky991 said:
I'm not pissed at forking over an extra 10 spot, as much as I understand how big of a money grab this is.
It's all been said in 5+ posts. Yes, the community will continue to pay. Yes, we are getting shafted because of Kinetic (Is that how you spell that stupid thing?).
Just come out and say "We are raising the prices on XBL subscriptions because we can."
It's all been said in 5+ posts. Yes, the community will continue to pay. Yes, we are getting shafted because of Kinetic (Is that how you spell that stupid thing?).
Just come out and say "We are raising the prices on XBL subscriptions because we can."
And they wonder why pirates exist.
Charging for connection, DLC, profile pictures, avatar accessories, movies and arcade games.
Then there's shitty, unmoderated chatrooms filled with 12 year olds. I'm cancelling my subscription and getting the games for my PC.
Charging for connection, DLC, profile pictures, avatar accessories, movies and arcade games.
Then there's shitty, unmoderated chatrooms filled with 12 year olds. I'm cancelling my subscription and getting the games for my PC.
But there are thousands working in the xbox part of microsoft so its only like 0.0000000001 cents eachstrum4h said:
