Xbox Live Gets a Price Hike

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This is insane. As a citizen of a developed country with disposable income to waste on video games, 1$ a month, or 10$ extra a year is an OUTRAGE. Where does microsoft get off? And don't try to sell me that bull shitty 'business model' thing. And then in a few years, they'll raise again. It's not like in three years there will be a new console and a new xbox live service or anything. IM SO ANGRY.
And some analyst thinks he's awesome by saying that this won't affect microsoft? Oh how he's wrong, I think i'll just cancel it because of what some independent company said about microsoft. Absolutely infuriating, it's like he's doing his job or something. Maybe I should get one of those.
 

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JaymesFogarty said:
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That's why I bought a PS3. If you don't play online, I don't see the point in Xbox live. I don't, (as I prefer games with real stories and interesting characters) and I opted to get the PS3 because of that. But why are they hiking it? PSN is free, and that's been updating itself for a while now.

all the games you can get on ps3 are on xbox... and metal gear solid and little big planet do not count.... their games in the same way swimming is a sport...

and no im not a live fanboy ... tbh i dislike live and never paid for it again after the first subscription...
Games like God of War 3, Heavy Rain? There are more interesting games for me on the PS3 than on the 360, which of course is why I opted for the PS3. And I don't know what you're talking about. LittleBigPlanet is obviously a video game. And if Metal Gear Solid 4 isn't a game because it has long cutscenes, wait what? That's like saying Halo 3 isn't a game because it's shit. Or that Gear of War 2 isn't a game because the main character has shit for brains. On your basis, what constitutes a game?

god of war was the worst series ive ever played ... and heavy rain was not far behind it... and gears of war and halo are just as bad.... granted gears of war was fun and intuitave to play but as far as story goes none of these games had even a half decent writer... for the most part games like lbp are for children... they are a niche market simply and only.... mgs4 is a movie.... there is little gameplay to be had... im told playing earlier games would make this more fun and it didnt... no one wants to play a game thats 90 story and 10 percent pressing buttons to make more story happen....
 

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Damn, this is just another reason I'm glad I scrapped my RROD'd 360 and picked up a PS3. Definitely won't be looking back. The thing I really don't get is how similar the two are online. There isn't really anything on XBL that is worth paying for that I can't get for free on PSN. I can play all games online without wasting another dime and I speak to others on my friends list or the genera populace while I play, can't think of anything else I really would need when playing online (cross game chat is a total friggin waste of time and effort).

To me XBL was already a waste of money so this is just another nail in the proverbial coffin...
 

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Grant Hobba said:
god of war was the worst series ive ever played ... and heavy rain was not far behind it... and gears of war and halo are just as bad.... granted gears of war was fun and intuitave to play but as far as story goes none of these games had even a half decent writer... for the most part games like lbp are for children... they are a niche market simply and only.... mgs4 is a movie.... there is little gameplay to be had... im told playing earlier games would make this more fun and it didnt... no one wants to play a game thats 90 story and 10 percent pressing buttons to make more story happen....
Wow, just... wow. One of the highest rated action games ever released (with a fucking rad mythological storyline) must obviously suck donkey balls, I'm quite glad I don't have you picking out my games because I'm pretty positive I would be one sad sad monkey.
 

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So instead of paying $4 a month I'm paying $5?

I'm okay with this.
QFT. I want to keep as much of my money as I can, but Microsoft isn't stupid. They know their service is worth more money, and I do too. Guess it's time to cough up another dollar.
 

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This really pisses me off. It wont change a thing, the people paying now, including myself will continue paying for it. The worst part is its nothing but a total money grab. The spokesperson just said pretty much that they know they could hike the price up and still keep all subscribers. Not a reason was given, there isnt one, maybe just maybe if they said we're making things cheaper on xbox live or we're adding a ton of free stuff, or even we've been doing tons of maintence and need to pay someone. But no, they are raising it just because theyll make an extra buck from a million people. Oh and then to say you better go out and stock up some gold member subscriptions while its cheaper is a joke. Go buy a ton of our already overpriced stuff before we make it even more overpriced! Your getting a great deal you sheep!
Truly, the last part is especially a slap in the face to people. It is a shame that this price raise will go essentially unquestioned, but what choice do a lot of people seem to have?

Years ago I subscribed to Live and quit because I found that it is just a waste considering the only online feature I would use was multiplayer, and now with a more busier life pretty much just quick matches. Back then it was almost a full game ($50) and now we have an upfront fee equal to the cost of a new release... to gain access to half the features on that game? I find the biggest issue that I take with Live is everything it is trying to be that I don't want. I could not care any less about community promotions, features, or what have you. I just want my dusty copy of COD4 or Halo 3 to not be completely useless outside of single player. But guess what? They're going to collect dust indefinitely because Live is a service for some but not all, like myself. Now that I have a PS3 along with my 360, I find that the former console can handle my needs fine enough.

I have always felt that what Live needed was at the very least different price levels to accomodate those like me who do not have time to make the cost of a Live subscription even worth the cost. I would imagine that there are plenty of people like me that lack the time/dedication to make Live seem worth it (perhaps that crowd of "casual" people Kinect is being aimed at, for instance?), so we are a group who will never buy into it. But what if there was an introductory level besides the sad excuse of "silver?" Ideally, the online portion would be at least accessible in some form for silvers, especially since I have always, and still find, that I can get every basic need other than multiplayer.

The key point is that cost is most likely not the issue, but value. A ten dollar increase to $60 is not much in general terms, but for what value an individual places on the service makes the difference. With the annual fee being an upfront cost, it grabs a person's monetary notice a lot quicker than a monthly rate. Most do not add up monthly payments or fees when they are little, but a flat upfront $50-$60 to me, at least, makes me consider what else I could get instead compared to Xbox Live's paltry return?
 

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according to most peoples responses here.. Microsoft should charge you fools even more money for nothing special! Maybe $99 a year will make you guys happier? hehe
 

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Yeah, it DEFINITELY wont affect anything.

You'll see complaints, of course. People love complaining. However the people who are willing to cough up money for that crap will still be coughing up money for it.
Or I guess I should say: will still get their parents to cough up money for it.
I do not sink so low as to ask my parents to pay for anything, especially something as trivial as a 60 USD per year fee.

I've said this before but it bears repeating. I have no problem with paying a fee. Sure, I appreciate that PSN does not charge me anything but, if they did, I would certainly expect a higher quality of service in exchange. The fee is, in all actuality, a trivial matter. I pay more per year to replace the oil in my car. I pay more in a week for food. I pay more in a month for coffee. I pay that same price for a game. While a trivial amount is certainly a greater amount than free, it is an amount that I gladly pay. I wouldn't complain were it cheaper of course, so long as the quality of the service remains the same.
 

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Googenstien said:
according to most peoples responses here.. Microsoft should charge you fools even more money for nothing special! Maybe $99 a year will make you guys happier? hehe
I like how you assert that people might be "fools" for paying for a service. Am I a fool for paying for my internet? How about my cell phone? These are services too and they cost significantly more than my XBL subscription.

Yes, yes. I know that such things are free elsewhere. The fact that PSN is free is what ensures I am not annoyed when terrible problems occur or by a less complete feature set or by a less intuitive interface. The fact that playing most games on my PC is free is a boon as well, but it is also the price I pay for the frustrations that sometimes accompany PC gaming. That things are free elsewhere however does not mean I cannot appreciate the value a service provides. There is certainly a price that is sufficient that I would reconsider XBL membership. As it stands now, I simply do not have to. The price asked amounts to but a few hours labor in a 2,000 hour work year. Were I asked to pay perhaps 300 USD per year, then it would be a sum that I would notice missing, and we would have reached a point where the question of value became pertinent in my decision making process.
 

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I do think they should at least back up the higher price with something new, feature-wise.

Admittedly, they are going to upgrade the audio codec and ESPN/Hulu is coming soon. I hope they have some good tricks up their sleeves.
 

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This is why PC gaming is ultimately cheaper than buying a 360, despite the higher hardware costs...
 

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Only $10? Yea, no one is going to care. As long as they don't add a $10 fee to every download that is...
 
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That's how much the price hike is going to be? Hell, that's..almost nothing. That's less than a dollar increase per month, if my math is right.
 

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Ironic Pirate said:
I kind of like the aesthetic more, but other then the Mii rip-offs I'm not aware of any features the PS3 lacks.
Cross-game party chat
Streaming Netflix sans disk
Netflix parties
Streaming ESPN (soon)
Last.fm
DLC exclusivity (if only for a while, it some cases a LONG while, like GTA IV or Fallout)

I'm sure there's more, but that's just off the top of my head. Basically if you have friends and prefer to keep in touch with them, XBL is miles ahead of PSN. Is the above worth $5 a month though? That's up to you.
 

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Yeah I only got 3 months subscription to play Borderlands and maybe again when Halo Reach comes out

It's the same price as a game for a year. I've got muc better value just playing COD4 on my pc which I paid £40 and have been playing for 2 years and had a lot more use out of it then live

People will be unhappy with this Microsoft, you fuck people over and people will probably take it, you do it any harder and people will react. Like I am, I am not paying for Gold membership
 

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they should have different rates depending on what each individual wants. Silver is the free default, Gold should keep the same price and be used for gaming and videogame related things, while the premium service (Platinum?) would offer all the other things like music and movies and would be a bit more costly.
This. There's plenty of features on XBL that I could go without if I had to pay less. All I really need is multiplayer, party chat, and a friends list.


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DLC exclusivity (if only for a while, it some cases a LONG while, like GTA IV or Fallout)
I would rather have no exclusivity and have the DLC released for all platforms at the same time. I don't feel special for having some exclusive games or content.
 

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Grant Hobba said:
JaymesFogarty said:
Grant Hobba said:
JaymesFogarty said:
That's why I bought a PS3. If you don't play online, I don't see the point in Xbox live. I don't, (as I prefer games with real stories and interesting characters) and I opted to get the PS3 because of that. But why are they hiking it? PSN is free, and that's been updating itself for a while now.

all the games you can get on ps3 are on xbox... and metal gear solid and little big planet do not count.... their games in the same way swimming is a sport...

and no im not a live fanboy ... tbh i dislike live and never paid for it again after the first subscription...
Games like God of War 3, Heavy Rain? There are more interesting games for me on the PS3 than on the 360, which of course is why I opted for the PS3. And I don't know what you're talking about. LittleBigPlanet is obviously a video game. And if Metal Gear Solid 4 isn't a game because it has long cutscenes, wait what? That's like saying Halo 3 isn't a game because it's shit. Or that Gear of War 2 isn't a game because the main character has shit for brains. On your basis, what constitutes a game?

god of war was the worst series ive ever played ... and heavy rain was not far behind it... and gears of war and halo are just as bad.... granted gears of war was fun and intuitave to play but as far as story goes none of these games had even a half decent writer... for the most part games like lbp are for children... they are a niche market simply and only.... mgs4 is a movie.... there is little gameplay to be had... im told playing earlier games would make this more fun and it didnt... no one wants to play a game thats 90 story and 10 percent pressing buttons to make more story happen....
It seems to me you hate all great games. Also the guy you're arguing with forgot InFamous, Killzone, Resistance, Sly Cooper etc.. but still, what game is actually great to you if classics like MGS4, Heavy Rain and Halo are shit?
 

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Eclectic Dreck said:
Googenstien said:
according to most peoples responses here.. Microsoft should charge you fools even more money for nothing special! Maybe $99 a year will make you guys happier? hehe
I like how you assert that people might be "fools" for paying for a service. Am I a fool for paying for my internet? How about my cell phone? These are services too and they cost significantly more than my XBL subscription.

Yes, yes. I know that such things are free elsewhere. The fact that PSN is free is what ensures I am not annoyed when terrible problems occur or by a less complete feature set or by a less intuitive interface. The fact that playing most games on my PC is free is a boon as well, but it is also the price I pay for the frustrations that sometimes accompany PC gaming. That things are free elsewhere however does not mean I cannot appreciate the value a service provides. There is certainly a price that is sufficient that I would reconsider XBL membership. As it stands now, I simply do not have to. The price asked amounts to but a few hours labor in a 2,000 hour work year. Were I asked to pay perhaps 300 USD per year, then it would be a sum that I would notice missing, and we would have reached a point where the question of value became pertinent in my decision making process.
Thats a terrible comparison. If you didn't pay for those things then you would not get those services because no service provider offers them for free.

In XBL's case it is a premium service in a market where everyone else provides similar if not better service, FOR FREE.

You might say well the service is worth the money and $60 isn't much" but thats if you get he most out of the service. What if you are a busy person that doesn't find time to play alot/ Paying $60 for someting you don't regularly use is a waste. Especially if you could get a new game with that money. What if you are unemployed and barely have the money to afford to new games? Guess you better leave Fable 3 till next year and be content with Halo.

I myself can afford Live but when at a local game store I'd rather use that money towards a game. I didn't use most of the service they provided when I had the free trials simply because I turn on my 360/ps3 only to play hames. So for me its not really paying for a service, its paying just t play games online.