Xbox One Fans create a petition to have Microsoft re-enable the DRM for the Xbox One

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jamail77

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Nimzabaat said:
Okay they would have been affected but in a positive way. You'd be able ebay/kijiji whatever the code for the game and skip the shipping charges. Just so you know.

Captcha: miles to go (I know Captcha, I know)
Nimzabaat, just stop. Before this petition I met some of the people in favor of former policies being reinstated for Xbox One. When we talked about other stuff their reasoning was way off, it was some of the most fallacious logic I've ever heard with sprinkes of truth here and there to keep it afloat. That doesn't feel good, does it? I generalized and insulted you. That's called elitism, heck this is a pitch perfect example; you think you're above us all because you think you "get it" due to some factor in your life that makes you better than us when all it really does is give you a different perspective (versus say a VERY GOOD higher education or lots of experience in the business which does give you leverage). You have evidence to back up from this company except you ignore it's being talked about in a different environment with better implementation and it's always popular to say every person on the planet except your "crowd" is sheep and uneducated and jumping on a bandwagon and what not. People are far more complex than we give them credit for; even those we think are stupid are actually quite smart in certain matters. You are no better than the rest of us so frankly you don't get it. Neither do any of us really but those with extensive study, lots of reliable stats and economic models, and the ability to admit they can be wrong do and they predicted doom and gloom for this right before it became popular for the "mainstream gamers" to do it.

I'm really tempted to go into a long essay about my two years of Computer Science study, the 3 or 4 friends I know well enough that they are willing to go extensively into how their Business studies with me go if I ask and what really is pro-consumer, the economic models created just to see how this would have turned out, etc. You're right that Steam is looking how to do this positively but that's just it. Valve knows what they're doing; Microsoft does not and it shows.

And no it's well known having a physical property is much less restrictive. It's the same concept applied to fiat money. You'd have to change the entire world economic system to be able to argue on the restrictions of a physical product which is also worth more due to its use of material resources (digital is just a download and you're done assuming few updates and no "always online" or cloud gaming). Until Internet across the globe is near-perfect reliable (far from it) and accessible to a high majority of people on the planet (like 95%) you can't argue how digital is so instantaneous and can be sent to friends without the "hassle" of travel. Even then it's much easier for digital distribution services including Good Guy Steam to restrict you on your digital products. Did you not hear those true stories about people losing 200 games from their digital account because they violated this minor term of service or were suspected of something? It's gotten better since those times obviously but those stories can easily be repeated. There are so many factors including economic concerns in shared digital distribution with family and friends it's not worth explaining.

If you can't agree, at least agree to disagree and stop acting like we're all morons. You're on the Escapist. You're not talking with some bro with a 1.0 GPA who only has one console, plays FIFA, and heard from his uninformed/mistaken "nerd" friend something about him not being able to play FIFA because Microsoft ruined it for everybody and then never went into detail about what he meant. We all play games, many of us on these forum I've noticed are more reasonable than other forums, etc. Give us some slack.

*The above is a stereotype to prove my point. If you have 1 of the 2 following things going for you: a high GPA and/or play FIFA and/or are well informed or reasonable disregard it.
 

KoudelkaMorgan

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My face when reading most of this thread: σ_σ

Its odd to me that the Xbox 360 fandom has fractured into so many factions with the new gen approaching. Some of them apparently think that the Xbox One is actually a Kickstarter, and that they can demand everything they want out of M$ and they will grant it lest backers rescind their support.

Which sadly is exactly what has already happened.

I almost want M$ to pull another 180 on this issue, as the ensuing Xbox 360 jokes will amuse us briefly. And that brief amusement shall be the only entertainment that the console shall ever grace me with.
 

runic knight

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I can actually see a good reason to make the petition. The xbone had some interesting ideas that people might have liked.

I am serious here.

The main issue is that xbox decided to take their ball and go home when they could have just gotten rid of the DRM bullshit and still kept all the features just fine. Give some god damn OPTIONS rather then require one or the other. Want fans happy? give them the option to choose.
If the petition is about getting some things back while still keeping all the needed backpedaling, I could support the idea. Still wont ever buy an xbone, but I could at least see why people would and would want those features.

But it seems a lot of trolling, so who knows.
 

setting_son

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COMaestro said:
Nimzabaat said:
I find it funny in a sad way that nobody seems to realize that having to put the disc in the console is the most restrictive form of DRM on the planet. MS's family share program was less restrictive, not more. Though, from seeing the petitions there are at least some people who want more as opposed freedom to share as opposed to less, and want to spend less as opposed to more.
I do not see a physical disc as DRM. It is a physical object that I own! You can't have DIGITAL rights management on a PHYSICAL object. THAT is what we all complained about once Microsoft explained their original plans for the Xbone. They could have kept their plans, made all discs just an installation platform that had no purpose once the game was installed, but their insistence on a 24-hour check in was just stupid.
I disagree - digital rights management is about controlling access to proprietary code. The subject matter being 'managed' is digital but the means by which that achieved can be physical.

Making sure that you actually have a legit copy of the game media is a well established form of DRM. For example; the PS1 used to read the disc in the drive to verify it was a legitimate game - you could bypass it by putting in a legit game and then fiddling around in a manner I wont describe here because I don't want to be seen by moderators to be enabling pirates.

Another example - and showing my age - back on the Commodore 64 games would often halt until you typed in a given line from a given paragraph of the instruction manual. Photocopiers were something of a rarity among school kids so whilst I could copy a tape easily, I couldn't copy the manuals (Which back in the day were like textbooks and had back story and pictures and generally it was a happier time full of happiness and joy and polyester and diseases we hadn't cured yet.). But anyways, it was a use of physical media to limit the activity of pirates.

I would not agree that having to put the disc in the console is the most restrictive kind of DRM though - a few seconds changing a disc has never caused me anything like the inconvenience of Starforce (I think that's what it was called) DRM on UFO: Aftershock.
 

Spartan448

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Rob Moir said:
Spartan448 said:
I say we all sign it so that MS puts the DRM back in, then when no-one buys their shit, they'll stop making consoles, and then all we have to do is burn EA to the ground, put Zynga on a spit, and make sure that no Call of Duty is ever released on PC again, and then we'll have saved the games industry.
Yes because Sony never did anything wrong as a hardware manufacturer, and EA are the only games publisher to have done bad things.

With you on Zynga though. Screw those guys.
I didn't say they were the only ones, I just said they were the worst. Sony has done some bad stuff as a hardware manufacturer as well. Nowhere near as bad as MS, though. And there are lots of game publishers that have done bad stuff. But if we just take down all of the publishers, that kind of defeats the purpose of trying to save the games industry.