Yaoi Fangirls.

[Worgen]

I think it's slightly weird and probably a sign of low self esteem when a straight girl's idea of the best relationship involves two guys.

so then is a guys idea of 2 girls the same thing then?

Probably, though I always imagine the two girls being bisexual.
But it does seem that girls find two guys more romantic, looking good together and devoted the fact they're purely gay. Whereas guys imagine two girls purely for sex.

how do you know that the girls dont think the same thing? really as I understand it the guys in yaoi arent necessarily gay, they just look that way to american audiances since our definition of manly is

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while in japan its more of

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its really more of a cultural thing then anything and yaoi is one of the few porn types that its not seen as bad if girls like, granted girls liking porn is awesome but as far as I know here in the west we dont actualy do porn for women, its almost all for men (I imagine there is some, maybe twilight is considered girl porn) yaoi is one of the few types that is more targeted at girls as far as I know

 

[Worgen]

I think it's slightly weird and probably a sign of low self esteem when a straight girl's idea of the best relationship involves two guys.

so then is a guys idea of 2 girls the same thing then?

the thing is, one does not "think" the best relationship is "2 girls*cough*onecup*cough*", men just think its "HOT"

but with yaoi fan girls, they actually focuse more in the fact of the "relationship" all that "love" and stuff

i should know, i had a friend who was so much into that

one doesnt watch porn to look for emotions, wile yaoi fangirls actually watch yaoi to look for emotional momments.

IMVHO

yeah but isnt that what women get off on? I mean for men sex is hot but for women isnt more of an emotional attachment the thing that really gets them going?

 

[Captain Booyah]

Kinda strange, I guess, though it's not amazingly different from anybody else with a certain interest in something. I have nothing against yaoi itself, but what I do hate is when obsessive, screaming fangirls grab any two male characters in absolutely any universe and shove them together in a relationship -- regardless of the story, characters' sexuality, and everything canon -- just because it's 'cute' and 'omg so kawaii'. No.

 

[Eric the Orange]

OK, obviously this isn't working out as I had hoped. I guess it is the internet and I shouldn't have guessed otherwise. If a mod could come along and lock this I'd be much obliged.

 

[ma55ter_fett]

Arn't Yaoi those bear things from fallout 3?

 

[Aeriath]

Arn't Yaoi those bear things from fallout 3?

Don't feed you Yao guai, this is Three Dog, Yaaaaaaaaaaaow!.


I met a few yaoi fangirls at an anime convention. Scary? Kinda. But then again, anyone who gets obsessed will get kinda scary. To be honest, most of the girls I've met who have been into yaoi have been the "loud" type. It's not bad in itself, but when you pair up loud and obsessive it can get a bit annoying.

 

[Lissa-QUON]

Ah yaoi, I work anime conventions and find myself being very cautious to not reveal that I am apparently one of the few girls there who doesn't get off on the idea of two sparkle-y guys going at it. I'm one of the "its not the gender/bits that matter its all about the banter/character interaction" school of thought.

Yaoi actually does serve a purpose though, after a fashion. I once read somewhere that yaoi is considered "training wheels" for porn.

Yaoi started off for tween and teen girls who are starting to develop sexual feelings but they still awkward about their bodies. Yaoi was a non threatening porn medium to them, they do not have to place themselves in the position of eitehr party, and the males in yaoi are typically very non threatening.

So its porn with the edges cut off, which is why in yaoi the characters fit a very specific "uke" (bottom/sub) "seme" (top/dom) position, and why most of the actual sexual content is very unrealistic, glossed over and air brushed. (Also adding that NOT ALL yaoi is air brushed and sparkles, but that tends to be the theme.)

There actually IS gay porn manga and such made BY MEN FOR MEN. And that stuff is very different from the yaoi genre. Just throwing that tidbit out there.

Now as for WHY there are hoardes of yaoi fangirls running around screaming and gushing and shipping everything that moves together? Uhm, good question. One could probably argue that since "yaoi=traning wheels" then the girls shipping every attractive male character with each other is a further extrapolation of the "non threatening" quality, they themselves may crush or lust after these characters but due to their own sexual awkwardness ship them with another guy.

Just a theory. Not saying that this is the reasoning since I never got into the obsession I'm still looking at this as an outsider point of view. I know older girls who are no longer at that awkward stage of life who still go nuts over subtext though they have long graduated from the "squeee" phase of things. Though I think at that point that falls under the same umbrella as "guys like lesbians."

 

[evilartist]

What's so weird about it? Women are more open with their feelings. Men typically aren't the talking type, especially with porn preferences.

 

[HentMas]

I think it's slightly weird and probably a sign of low self esteem when a straight girl's idea of the best relationship involves two guys.

so then is a guys idea of 2 girls the same thing then?

the thing is, one does not "think" the best relationship is "2 girls*cough*onecup*cough*", men just think its "HOT"

but with yaoi fan girls, they actually focuse more in the fact of the "relationship" all that "love" and stuff

i should know, i had a friend who was so much into that

one doesnt watch porn to look for emotions, wile yaoi fangirls actually watch yaoi to look for emotional momments.

IMVHO

yeah but isnt that what women get off on? I mean for men sex is hot but for women isnt more of an emotional attachment the thing that really gets them going?

well... i never thought about it that way...you raise a very important point...

i have to agree, perhaps they ARE looking past the whole "same sex" issue and focus mainly in the relationship... the thing is there is a LOT of emotional material with girl-boy stuff... and the "yaoi fangirl" only focus in "that" kind of relationships...

its hard to explain, one watches "girl on girl" action with everything else there is on the "porn" spectrum, but they only focuse on "same sex" relationships... and they are very vocal of it, i just dont get it

 

[Catalyst6]

I'd first like to point out that this threads main focus isn't Yaoi. Anyone can have whatever fetish they want, it's not important. But rather the trend of Yaoi fangirls to be very loud and open to discussion about there fetish. Congregating in groups, clubs and even conventions surrounding it.

Just like furries, BSDM-ers (I don't know a term for them), homosexuals, most anime-watchers at cons, so on and so forth.

It's odd, yes, but certainly not unheard of.

And remember: It's not about the sex, it's about the "love"! That's the line they love, right? Even if it is a crock.

 

[Meggiepants]

I hate this double standard with a passion.

2 girls = HOT!!!!

2 guys = EW! Yucky!!!

I for one, am not really interested in either of these scenarios, but that's beside the point.

As for girls sitting around and talking about it, I am pretty sure guys talk about hot chicks often enough. In fact, a group of guys I hung out with in high school talked about hot chicks, and weird porn they had seen most of the time they got together. Hell, half of them had posters of naked women on their walls in their bedroom.

And I read this a long time ago, the reason Japanese women find it so appealing is apparently Japanese men are very reserved with their emotions. Yet Yaoi allows male figures to be the emotional one. When you think about it, it isn't so different over here in the western world. Guys are mainly interested in sex. Talking about your feelings isn't really most guy's thing. Again, Yaoi could fill that desire for some girls. I don't find it strange at all. Not everybody gets turned on by the same things.

 

[Queen Michael]

I'm a huge Yaoi fanboy (gotta love those gorgeous yaoi guys!), and I don't mind discussing dirty details with other fans. But I'll never take the initiative to do it, although I will take the initiative to start a conversation about yaoi in generals.

 

[Lullabye]

Well, yaoi is nice, but bara is better.
Either way, it shouldn't matter what your preferences are, all forms of love are great!

Spoiler: Right Hapsier?

Did you watch it all? If you got through all that, then props to you, you are now scarred for life.

 

[crepesack]

My good friend is a yaoi fan and she discusses it with me regularly, I'm a lolicon. That's life I guess.

 

[PrototypeC]

What about people who play video games?
We like to hang out with-eachother and have all our own in jokes and so on.
Who would you like it if people were saying that we are wierd for doing that?

Who says we aren't?

Anyway, I never saw it as a problem. Since it's not my scene, I don't feel like it would be fair of me to complain about it. At least when people start talking about Yaoi, you know what they mean and can avoid it (or join in, I won't judge)... but other fetishes that end up talked about in public like "furry" aren't that clear, and I don't know what's going on until it's too late and I've heard something I can't forget.

The other part of it is that the sexual fetish part of it is secondary, unlike straight guys with Yuri. Yaoi clubs or whatever usually talk about their favourite couples and scenes and stuff like that, rather than discussing what they do alone..

 

[Worgen]

I think it's slightly weird and probably a sign of low self esteem when a straight girl's idea of the best relationship involves two guys.

so then is a guys idea of 2 girls the same thing then?

the thing is, one does not "think" the best relationship is "2 girls*cough*onecup*cough*", men just think its "HOT"

but with yaoi fan girls, they actually focuse more in the fact of the "relationship" all that "love" and stuff

i should know, i had a friend who was so much into that

one doesnt watch porn to look for emotions, wile yaoi fangirls actually watch yaoi to look for emotional momments.

IMVHO

yeah but isnt that what women get off on? I mean for men sex is hot but for women isnt more of an emotional attachment the thing that really gets them going?

well... i never thought about it that way...you raise a very important point...

i have to agree, perhaps they ARE looking past the whole "same sex" issue and focus mainly in the relationship... the thing is there is a LOT of emotional material with girl-boy stuff... and the "yaoi fangirl" only focus in "that" kind of relationships...

its hard to explain, one watches "girl on girl" action with everything else there is on the "porn" spectrum, but they only focuse on "same sex" relationships... and they are very vocal of it, i just dont get it

really as I understand it in most yaoi they arent really gay, they are just pretty, sensitive men who are good friends, I suppose the term bromance is pretty descriptive for the situation

 

[GothmogII]

By the by, what's this doing in gaming discussion?

 

[mega48man]

i'm a guy, and i HATE yaoi fangirls. not only is it because they're typically the stereotypical anime nerd with no friends, but they also want to see someone like me (a dude) make out with another guy.....that's f**king uncomfortable, seriously, i know i was raised not to hit a girl but i'd hit a yaoi fangirl if she was annoying me enough.

can you imagine what it would be like trying to watch scott pilgrim vs. the world with a small group of yaoi fangirls somewhere in the theatre? i would have to f**king disembowel them every time scott's gay roommate micheal came on screen or anytime they made a gay joke....AND THERE'S A LOT OF GAY JOKES IN THAT MOVIE, and they're all hilarious.....can you imagine a yaoi fangirl ruining that movie?

 

[Lissa-QUON]

i'm a guy, and i HATE yaoi fangirls. not only is it because they're typically the stereotypical anime nerd with no friends, but they also want to see someone like me (a dude) make out with another guy.....that's f**king uncomfortable, seriously, i know i was raised not to hit a girl but i'd hit a yaoi fangirl if she was annoying me enough.

Hah, as a girl who has been told by society that all guys want from a girl is sex and every time they look in my general direction they are undressing me with their eyes etc. etc.

I have to say: I have little sympathy for you.