Yes, I do like turn-base, and I will tell you why.
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I like it because its structured, with turn based you can actually think ahead of what your doing and plan accordingly.
Thats the strategy behind turned based I guess, TheNecroswanson
Thats the strategy behind turned based I guess, TheNecroswanson
Alright fair enough, what I thought you meant was "because it isn't real time, and gives me more time to think about what to do next, then it isn't a game!"TheNecroswanson said:
After playing many JRPGish games I still see the strategy, last one I played was FFX but man that last boss, there is no way in hell I could just spam the attack button and hope for the best.
The biggest problem with turn-based systems is that it turns *every* fight into an unnecessarily time-consuming venture. In a real-time system, if it's just a mook, you run up to him and whack him. There, done. With turn-based, you have to go through the whole turn-based rigmarole just to one-shot him.Magnetic2 said:
I'm not going to use that Fallout 3 pause attack I don't like turn base simply because it doesn't make sense to me.
Turn based combat tends to be a thing that I approach with neutrality, but I'll give my opinion.
Given a choice between Tales of Symphonia and FF7 I would dive straight for my gamecube and start racking up combos and doing awesome backflips to avoid skidding on my arse after being hit rather hard.
Given a choice between Civ3 and any of the Total War games, I would have a mental breakdown.
That didn't really prove much but I said what I wanted to at least.
Given a choice between Tales of Symphonia and FF7 I would dive straight for my gamecube and start racking up combos and doing awesome backflips to avoid skidding on my arse after being hit rather hard.
Given a choice between Civ3 and any of the Total War games, I would have a mental breakdown.
That didn't really prove much but I said what I wanted to at least.
I think the best type of turn-based was the one used in FFX, where you could see the order of attacks on the side of the screen and how what attack you chose to use would effect when the character attacked next, also I like the way you can spend a turn finding out the enemy's weaknesses (see scan) and then when its gets more complicated with status effects etc.
Usually I found it quite hard to beat a boss (bar the first few) if I didn't use scan to find out their immunities and weaknesses.
When you go about it like that it becomes more about strategy, however when all you do is click attack and occasionally use a potion when your health gets low is when its boring and it takes much longer.
Usually I found it quite hard to beat a boss (bar the first few) if I didn't use scan to find out their immunities and weaknesses.
When you go about it like that it becomes more about strategy, however when all you do is click attack and occasionally use a potion when your health gets low is when its boring and it takes much longer.
I do believe that a turn based system is one of the best ways to multitask. I remeber as smaller child back in 2000 playing Paper Mario with one hand and making sure everything was right with the world with the other. I love the turn system just for that. I still do it, it's untold levels of convenient.
This is where the Earthbound / Mother 2 (SNES) system is great, because if you are blatantly too strong for an enemy it gives you an instant win and lets you get on with what you are doing. Earthbound also isn't completely random fights either. You see the enemies on the screen and can try to get around them without fighting them, though it's tough at times to not fight them. By being able to see the enemies on the screen it allows for the game to be able to easily give you advantage or disadvantage in the game. If both parties are headed towards each other, it proceeds as a normal fight. If you are facing away from the enemy, the screen turns red and the enemy has the first turn before you have a chance to even select your move. And, if the enemy is facing away from you, the screen turns green and you have the first move completely to yourself.BloodSquirrel said:
The other thing is that it is just a great game and I would recommend it to anyone who likes RPG's and hasn't played it yet.
I've been playing Jagged Alliance 2 for waaaay to long now (about 5 years), and still loving it, after all the extra stuff 1.13 adds to it.
I love turn based because you can just think things over, wich means that you can defeat a force much larger then yours quite easily, since you can focus on one point at a time.
I love turn based because you can just think things over, wich means that you can defeat a force much larger then yours quite easily, since you can focus on one point at a time.
Thank God someone mentioned that game.gamshobny said:
90% of what I see here is people talking about 'OH THOSE TURN-BASED JRPGS' - and completely ignoring all other turn-based stuff. Turn-based war games, especially tactical ones, practically demand turn-based combat. Why? Because there is so much shit going on that if the game was in real-time, it'd fall apart. You can pull off some styles with real-time, a la Total War franchise, but once you get into WWII era and on, where combat is far less regimented, set it in real-time and any hope of an intense, deep experience goes out the window. You simply can't control all the details in real-time. Same with many turn-based RPGs or squad sims. Jagged Alliance 2 is absolutely fantastic - it allows you to control nearly everything, and forces you to bend every aspect of the situation in your favour if you hope to succeed. Compare Temple of Elemental Evil to Icewind Dale and you have a prime example of how turn-based combat changes a game from real-time.
tl;dr if you think turn-based is 'too slow' or 'lacks strategy', go play chess in real-time and enjoy the fail.
Funny thing is in games like Supcom and Total War, I'm ALWAYS pausing and planning my next move, there is no way I can control the madness in real time.Saevus said:
I quote thee for truth!
I have played real time chess it was kind of fun. It is possible to have strategy in real time and control it (Korean Starcraft players)
Perfect general is turn based strategy perfected. It will forever hold a place in my heart in my top ten favorite games ever. Oh and yes it was made in 1990.
So yea I love turn based games, that's cause there is much more emphasis on thinking instead of reacting. I'm good at thinking and bad at reacting. I love turn based rpg's more then action anything. Simply because turn based usually means the difference between skillfully using all the tools you have and mashing X until everything is dead.
If you hate them then don't play them, that's why we have multiple genres. Different people like different stuff. I hate halo but I try not to troll it. I just happily ignore it when possible.
And as far as ff goes, my personal opinion is that if you ever have a situation where you need to ask yourself "how can I change this franchise to make it new and exciting" then it's time to let the franchise die. Please square let my childhood memories rest in piece and stop butchering with games that no longer resemble final fantasy.
So yea I love turn based games, that's cause there is much more emphasis on thinking instead of reacting. I'm good at thinking and bad at reacting. I love turn based rpg's more then action anything. Simply because turn based usually means the difference between skillfully using all the tools you have and mashing X until everything is dead.
If you hate them then don't play them, that's why we have multiple genres. Different people like different stuff. I hate halo but I try not to troll it. I just happily ignore it when possible.
And as far as ff goes, my personal opinion is that if you ever have a situation where you need to ask yourself "how can I change this franchise to make it new and exciting" then it's time to let the franchise die. Please square let my childhood memories rest in piece and stop butchering with games that no longer resemble final fantasy.
