You Can't Be the Hero If You're the Rapist

[UtopiaV1]

Has anyone actually PLAYED this game? It's pretty badly made anyway, for a strictly gameplay point of view, theres no depth or progression, its just shallow and simple, with no rewards or achievements for doing a 'good job'!

uh... Actually there there is progression and you can unlock all the modes when you finish the storyline.

HAHAHA, that was just a test to see who HAS played it, gotcha!!!

Yea, i got through the storyline, but it's just too much effort as opposed to regular porn, and the LAST thing u need when watching porn is extra effort

And to be fair, there were quite a few things to do after the 'storyline' bit, but few new things, just doing a certain amount of things to certain women, then u get to do OTHER stuff to them... Hey developers, how bout throwing in a new mini-game, or maybe a multiplayer mode? Whoa, wierd territory, forget i said it ¬_¬

 

[black_omega2]

Has anyone actually PLAYED this game? It's pretty badly made anyway, for a strictly gameplay point of view, theres no depth or progression, its just shallow and simple, with no rewards or achievements for doing a 'good job'!

uh... Actually there there is progression and you can unlock all the modes when you finish the storyline.

HAHAHA, that was just a test to see who HAS played it, gotcha!!!

Yea, i got through the storyline, but it's just too much effort as opposed to regular porn, and the LAST thing u need when watching porn is extra effort

And to be fair, there were quite a few things to do after the 'storyline' bit, but few new things, just doing a certain amount of things to certain women, then u get to do OTHER stuff to them... Hey developers, how bout throwing in a new mini-game, or maybe a multiplayer mode? Whoa, wierd territory, forget i said it ¬_¬

haha

Well honestly I don't see why Rapelay has been singled out. There are hundreds of games just like it and worse! Shows how much some people don't know what the hell they're talking about.

 

[SirSchmoopy]

If you find rape games so offensive make a game where you hunt down and kill rapists.

Sounds like an MMO idea. Some people play da police, some people play rapists and some people play 14 year old girls.

 

[ThatJagoGuy]

Rape can never serve a good purpose.

What about if aliens invaded and started killing everyone and the only way to dispatch them was to rape them? Not to be overly pedantic, but I think it would be justified in that situation.

As for the game - from what I've read, I can't approve. On the plus side, however, it's nice to see developers thinking outside of the box... or... um... inside. Sorry.

 

[Mewick_Alex]

I haven't read every single post so my apologies if this has already been said, but has anyone else realised that there can only really be one reason for someone wanting this game? Its not like they're going to be playing it for an intricate plot or to beat a high score, chances are it'd be played because they get off on this stuff...

General rape aspects aside, I think the most disturbing thing for me is the box art. I mean, c'mon, it has a CHILD on it, looking very fearful at the protagonists approach.

Defend the censorship of a game about rape all you want, but that cover potentially advertises child rape too, and theres no way in hell anyone can say THAT shouldn't be censored.

 

[GloatingSwine]

Yea, i got through the storyline, but it's just too much effort as opposed to regular porn, and the LAST thing u need when watching porn is extra effort

Ironically, the "gameplay" requires physical movements most similar to wanking.

!NSFW! Of course, soon you won't even need that. [http://www.somjapan.com/us/]

 

[ADDLibrarian]

Here is my weak attempt at being devil's advocate:

Considering that this game came from Japan, they already did create a "rape hero/anti-hero" with The Rapeman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rapeman

Another anti-hero who rapes: Alex from A Clockwork Orange

And what about our fascination with being the villain? It's not necessary/fun to be "the hero" all the time.

 

[Locque]

General rape aspects aside, I think the most disturbing thing for me is the box art. I mean, c'mon, it has a CHILD on it, looking very fearful at the protagonists approach.

Defend the censorship of a game about rape all you want, but that cover potentially advertises child rape too, and theres no way in hell anyone can say THAT shouldn't be censored.

Right, I'm going to go all ultimate devil's advocate on this.
Why should it be censored? I claim that it should not as I don't see the harm posed by this. Rape is okay, but if the character veers too close to what the censors deem a child, the scene's cut? Where is the line drawn there? There's no way to tell the age of a video game character.

 

[Moraki]

I've said it in previous threads...

I'll never ever touch a 'rape' game, however, murder or rape, whats the difference.....both can take and ruin lifes, so why a one sided view point by many.

he has the best point :/

 

[omega 616]

fact 2) men cant be sexually abused unless it's from another man

You don't need a dick to sodomize someone. All it takes is a really big strap on.

I assume chloroform would be used to kidnap said guy? cos its going to be a give away if a woman is walking around with what would look like constant wood looking for a guy to rape.

I think fps are fun, who hasnt played an fps got a machine gun and held the fire button till either you died or everyone else did? Everyone has I bet, why cos its fun, its the same reason you play it online who is the hero, anti-hero etc when all of you are killing each other? :S

If you think rape is fun I think you have issues and would it be a big step from playing a rape game to raping someone? I know EVERYONE is going to say "but you like fps games but your not killing anyone" true, but we think our own conscience will forgive us more easily than taking someones life so we know 100% were not going to go on a columbine style shoot out and if we do theres a far worse punishment then raping someone, which doesnt play higher on our conscience then ending someones life but still plays a part.

I think theres a line of decency thats crossed when people are seriously considering making a game about raping people for nothing more than the persuit of fun.

Just my thoughts .....

 

[Tadakatsu1honda]

Killing a bad guy can be seen from most standard views as 'good'. However, rape is a total different thing. It serves no relevant purpose for anything, other than perhaps the satisfaction of the 'hero's Libido. This is worsened when the game ratings people and worried parents get their hands around this sort of thing (remember those idiots who immediately damned mass-effect to hell as child corrupting devil spawn?. Made even >WORSE<, when the female demographic of gamers hear of it, which will spawn about 2.5 smiggigilion angry hate mails to whatever company would have the guts to produce such a game. However, people like me who are empathy lacking robot-people who would still deem a game good if it had 1000 kittens dying in fire, are not really concerned with this sort of thing. By all means, any game company reading this is more than welcome to make such a venture, and I will personally thank them for it.

 

[ADDLibrarian]

fact 2) men cant be sexually abused unless it's from another man

I think theres a line of decency thats crossed when people are seriously considering making a game about raping people for nothing more than the persuit of fun.

Just my thoughts .....

Devil's advocate:
Who says that all video games have to be about the pursuit of fun? What if they're trying to educate/make a point? What if they're just there to be simulations, to let perverts be perverts virtually as opposed to them being perverts in the real world? What if the "non-fun" is there to further the storyline? (FF7 SPOILER ALERT!!! Like being forced to kill Aeris in FF7?)

 

[Dogstile]

Just responding to the question in the OP: Because murder can be justified.
See also: Dexter.

Rape can never serve a good purpose.

And now to read.

I give you GTA4. Is cutting down civilians justified? Then maybe they should both be banned.

Technically you aren't forced to cut down civilians.

Bullseye. It's your choice if you kill any civilians, like it would be in a real city, but there aren't really any consequences. Thus why it is just a game, and does not really merge with real-life.

its someones choice to play rapegames, is it not?

anyway, why are japan banning this game when america's people are outraged, america doesn't give japan profit from rape games, so japan didn't need to try and ban it at all

"we're japan, we'll bend over, for all your needs"

You miss my point. Within the game of GTA, you choose whether or not you kill civilians, whereas this game centres solely around rape.

i get your point just fine, you still choose if you rape people or not, the difference being that if you decide not to rape someone, you save cash because you didn't buy the game

as it is, we as one group of people hold no right to say that what the other people do is wrong, unless it affects us, this doesn't, so therefore the censorship is wrong

 

[Kajin]

If you think rape is fun I think you have issues

This is the world you're talking about. We've all got issues. Besides, as I've stated before, rape games are fantasy. They're works of fiction. You're not hurting anyone by playing them because the characters being violated have never existed outside our imaginations. Once you remove the element of causing physical harm to a living breathing human being you'd be amazed at how depraved the average person can become.

 

[Mewick_Alex]

General rape aspects aside, I think the most disturbing thing for me is the box art. I mean, c'mon, it has a CHILD on it, looking very fearful at the protagonists approach.

Defend the censorship of a game about rape all you want, but that cover potentially advertises child rape too, and theres no way in hell anyone can say THAT shouldn't be censored.

Right, I'm going to go all ultimate devil's advocate on this.
Why should it be censored? I claim that it should not as I don't see the harm posed by this. Rape is okay, but if the character veers too close to what the censors deem a child, the scene's cut? Where is the line drawn there? There's no way to tell the age of a video game character.

Heh, kudos to you for playing devils advocate on this one.

Fair point, saying that child rape should be censored more than "normal" rape is a very fine line indeed and, yes, it IS hard to tell a characters age based purely on images. I think that my real problem with it is the fact that it is IMPLIED. The game clearly doesn't try to hide what the goal is, you rape people plain and simple, but showing this on its main form of advertising is likely to attract an even more vile form of scum. Rape is one thing, peadophilia is quite another.

I really doubt that child rape plays any part in the game itself, but implying it's presence is enough to make me grouchy i guess.

For the record I personally would be all for banning this type of game, but I can see why people would argue against such extreme censorship.

 

[Locque]

General rape aspects aside, I think the most disturbing thing for me is the box art. I mean, c'mon, it has a CHILD on it, looking very fearful at the protagonists approach.

Defend the censorship of a game about rape all you want, but that cover potentially advertises child rape too, and theres no way in hell anyone can say THAT shouldn't be censored.

Right, I'm going to go all ultimate devil's advocate on this.
Why should it be censored? I claim that it should not as I don't see the harm posed by this. Rape is okay, but if the character veers too close to what the censors deem a child, the scene's cut? Where is the line drawn there? There's no way to tell the age of a video game character.

Heh, kudos to you for playing devils advocate on this one.

Fair point, saying that child rape should be censored more than "normal" rape is a very fine line indeed and, yes, it IS hard to tell a characters age based purely on images. I think that my real problem with it is the fact that it is IMPLIED. The game clearly doesn't try to hide what the goal is, you rape people plain and simple, but showing this on its main form of advertising is likely to attract an even more vile form of scum. Rape is one thing, peadophilia is quite another.

I really doubt that child rape plays any part in the game itself, but implying it's presence is enough to make me grouchy i guess.

For the record I personally would be all for banning this type of game, but I can see why people would argue against such extreme censorship.

Well thanks for not being combatative or hostile. I was expecting a shitstorm rather than such a subdued response.
However, how is paedophilia any worse? Is raping a 16-17 year old any different from raping a 20 year old? Are there only certain degrees of moral bankruptcy we'll allow on our screens? If that's the case how is it we allow lynchings in white supremacist games, or genocide, or mass murder? Paedophilia, like it or not, still pales in comparison to murder.

Rapelay does, I believe, feature paedophilic content. Furthermore, what you class as paedophilia in the states or elsewhere is entirely legal in Japan and much of Europe, IIRC. What about a character who's technically 18 but looks much younger? There are plenty of people like that in real life. We've had games that allow the killing of children, y'know (I'm looking at you, Fallout 2).

 

[Mewick_Alex]

General rape aspects aside, I think the most disturbing thing for me is the box art. I mean, c'mon, it has a CHILD on it, looking very fearful at the protagonists approach.

Defend the censorship of a game about rape all you want, but that cover potentially advertises child rape too, and theres no way in hell anyone can say THAT shouldn't be censored.

Right, I'm going to go all ultimate devil's advocate on this.
Why should it be censored? I claim that it should not as I don't see the harm posed by this. Rape is okay, but if the character veers too close to what the censors deem a child, the scene's cut? Where is the line drawn there? There's no way to tell the age of a video game character.

Heh, kudos to you for playing devils advocate on this one.

Fair point, saying that child rape should be censored more than "normal" rape is a very fine line indeed and, yes, it IS hard to tell a characters age based purely on images. I think that my real problem with it is the fact that it is IMPLIED. The game clearly doesn't try to hide what the goal is, you rape people plain and simple, but showing this on its main form of advertising is likely to attract an even more vile form of scum. Rape is one thing, peadophilia is quite another.

I really doubt that child rape plays any part in the game itself, but implying it's presence is enough to make me grouchy i guess.

For the record I personally would be all for banning this type of game, but I can see why people would argue against such extreme censorship.

Well thanks for not being combatative or hostile. I was expecting a shitstorm rather than such a subdued response.
However, how is paedophilia any worse? Is raping a 16-17 year old any different from raping a 20 year old? Are there only certain degrees of moral bankruptcy we'll allow on our screens? If that's the case how is it we allow lynchings in white supremacist games, or genocide, or mass murder? Paedophilia, like it or not, still pales in comparison to murder.

Rapelay does, I believe, feature paedophilic content. Furthermore, what you class as paedophilia in the states or elsewhere is entirely legal in Japan and much of Europe, IIRC. What about a character who's technically 18 but looks much younger? There are plenty of people like that in real life. We've had games that allow the killing of children, y'know (I'm looking at you, Fallout 2).

Eh.... ok I'll admit my argument is looking somewhat weaker now. Sure there is no real discernable difference between the rape of a 16 year old and the rape of a 20 year old in terms of how socially acceptable they are, but i'd say that the child depicted is arguably intended to look younger than that, possibly of an age where they wouldn't even properly understand what is happening. I would say that this is certainly discernable from the rape of a late teen, though again this brings us back to the question of how would we tell a game characters age.

I admit defeat on this one, you're argument is stronger than mine in general and it's damn hard to find good arguing ground when it comes to what should be censored..... It's just one big grey area.

I tip my hat to you, sir.

 

[Locque]

And I tip my hat in return.


Though I feel I've helped the forces of evil somewhat by exploring censorship in such a manner.

 

[black_omega2]

Rapelay does, I believe, feature paedophilic content. Furthermore, what you class as paedophilia in the states or elsewhere is entirely legal in Japan and much of Europe, IIRC. What about a character who's technically 18 but looks much younger? There are plenty of people like that in real life. We've had games that allow the killing of children, y'know (I'm looking at you, Fallout 2).

I do believe you rape a mother and her two children, one is definatly younger than 18.

 

[sneakypenguin]

In those games to my knowlege it was a means to an end punisher killing bad dudes hitman bad dudes with civies in the way.

Hitman regularly intentionally kills civilians just to accomplish his goal. Furthermore, his targets are quite often far from "bad guys", or at least there's not a shred of evidence that they are. You play a murderer, who kills innocent people. A far worse person than a rapist. I also find it interesting that in other media, no one would ever even consider representing the Punisher as a "good guy" (he's straddling the line between antihero and villain in the comics) but in games, he's suddenly okay? He sadistically and unnecessarily tortures people. Not that they're not bad people, but that doesn't make it okay.

Manhunt 2 did get a AO rating (almost, originally?) and was banned a few places. Manhunt is more along the lines of a "rape game" in that the violence done is very personal, but still there was a good side to that violence IIRC(survival?)

Let's not forget your character was already on death row,with no mention of being innocent, so presumably he's a goddamn psycho. I can't speak for manhunt 2. James Earl Cash also kills police officers. In GTA, the player is given the option to murder innocent civilians, the same in Crackdown. In Black & White, you're given the opportunity to commit mass murder and infant sacrifice. Games constantly allow you to be malicious and do things far worse than rape, without the thin justification of using violence for good, and no one's batted an eyebrow.

Yes but in GTA it's a matter of quick death animation and the lvl of intensity in the death process is hardly brutal in the manner of rape(i mean it's killing what you know is just a random hollow AI construct). Never played hitman so I can't speak for it. B&W i'm sure it doesn't show them being slowly tortured and killed in a sadistic manner. Whereas rape is a up close and personal crime that can't be explored with a 5 second (like death) animation that exist in most games as COD GTA 4. THere is a distinct lack of humanity in shooters and action games and games that do show the brutal side (manhunt) are heavily scrutinized.
Murder>rape in real life. End result person dead.
Murder<rape in media. its easier to accept robbery victim #1 getting shot on camera than it is to see a woman/girl get raped.