You people are insane....(Yet another rape thread)

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SpectacularWebHead

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Ugh, society has forced me into making a thread about rape, through stupid opinions and idiotic conclusions. Without further ado, lets cast the shit out of some aspersions; RE: Victims have themselves to blame and defending rapists.

1: Being the victim of Rape because of your own stupidity does not take responsibility from those who did it.

One of the moronic things about these threads is the number of people who latch onto the idea of "The victim attended a party with alcohol. If she/he didn't want to get raped, she/he shouldn't have gone somewhere where she/he was likely to get raped." This is stupid. Plain and simple. Just because you go somewhere you COULD be raped, that does not equal that you SHOULD be raped. Nor does it equal that those who do the raping are less responsible due to your dipshittery. This is a given really, amazingly it's something that always pops up.

2: Being dressed like a slut/Man-whore does not entitle people to Rape.

Again, pops up a lot, not sure why. Legally, you are entitled to dress however you want. If your overall goal is getting raped, then my point is thus moot. However, most people who dress revealingly are doing it for... Fuck knows why, But I'm fairly sure they aren't attempting to get raped. Dressing provocatively does not put the victim at fault in any way. It makes them a dipshit for several other reasons, but it is not an excuse.

3: Rights for Rapists
Look, when this pops up, it is a little bit depressing. When we try and say that people commiting these crimes are some how "Not to blame" or "Accidental" (Pops up more than you'd expect/ want) It's a little ridiculous. These people have commited a serious crime. They are to blame one hundred percent. You cannot accidentally rape someone in the way a murder can happen accidentaly. You cannot be provoked into rape as you can with assault or murder. There is NO possibility of a rapist having done it unintentionally, not meant for it to happen, made a mistake etc. They do it because it is in their nature. Whether this is an excuse or not I cannot comment, but it takes a very sick person to gain sexual thrill over the feeling of a non-consensual partnership. When a crime like this is taken, certain liberties afforded to other criminals and victims of crime should be revoked, due to this simple fact: Rape cannot and happen accidentally.

I expect some form of backlash from some of you.
To you, I say:

And hope to god this fad ends soon...
 

Jedoro

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Society didn't force you to make anything, you decided to because of those "stupid opinions and idiotic conclusions."

Also, if one's goal of provocative dress is to get raped, is it really rape?

EDIT: /sarcasm
 

ShadowsofHope

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I hardly think many people are going to come to this thread for sake of knowing that someone is going to call them a "rape apologist" for not following the mob mentality approach to justice from certain individuals whom dream of the public gallows for every criminal they find detestable, and would rather have a civil court objectively sentence the man/woman like a rational 21st century citizen.

Most of your points are emotional strawmen at that. One does not apologize for rapists by advocating adherence to established law in our courts until such laws are otherwise changed. Not even rape victims are above the law.
 

Hoplon

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Jedoro said:
Society didn't force you to make anything, you decided to because of those "stupid opinions and idiotic conclusions."

Also, if one's goal of provocative dress is to get raped, is it really rape?
I don't even...

HELP ME SPIDERMAN!
 

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SpectacularWebHead said:
3: Rights for Rapists
Look, when this pops up, it is a little bit depressing. When we try and say that people commiting these crimes are some how "Not to blame" or "Accidental" (Pops up more than you'd expect/ want) It's a little ridiculous. These people have commited a serious crime. They are to blame one hundred percent. You cannot accidentally rape someone in the way a murder can happen accidentaly. You cannot be provoked into rape as you can with assault or murder. There is NO possibility of a rapist having done it unintentionally, not meant for it to happen, made a mistake etc. They do it because it is in their nature. Whether this is an excuse or not I cannot comment, but it takes a very sick person to gain sexual thrill over the feeling of a non-consensual partnership. When a crime like this is taken, certain liberties afforded to other criminals and victims of crime should be revoked, due to this simple fact: Rape cannot and happen accidentally.
Your first two appear to be some kind of strawman that I have no intention of dealing with, but this is just wrong, and I am anything but a rape apologist. There are types of non-consensual sex that I would still definitely classify as rape (I classify all types of non-consensual sex as rape obviously) but I would not classify as intentional. You can rape someone while thinking that they were consenting. People do not just scream "I do not consent!" at all times that they are legally incapable of giving consent so (specifically minors, the high, and the drunk). Still rape, but obviously not intentional and deserving a lesser charge, a rape equivalent to manslaughter if you will.

The other stuff I'll let others deal with. I am not the type to tear up strawman arguments, but there are many people here who are.
 

Jonluw

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I think if you took the time to actually read what people write, you would find that noone is saying what you're trying to present as their opinions here.
Either that, or you're purposefully misrepresenting people's stances so that you have a strawman to attack from your high horse to make yourself feel better.

When people are saying someone was stupid for wearing "those kinds of clothes in that kind of environment", they're saying just that. They're not saying the rapist is any less to blame; they're just saying the victim was an idiot.
This is a completely reasonable thing to say. If you walk around the bad part of town fanning yourself with 20 dollar bills, you're a moron. The guy who robs you is still a criminal, but you're an utter dimwit for putting yourself in that situation.

And criminals have rights. Mass murderers, even, have rights.
They're called rights for a reason. They're not privilieges. Breaking a rapist's rights is the same as breaking anyone else's rights.
And yes, rapists can actually do so unintentionally. Not everyone's aware that the person they're having sex with isn't consenting. It's rare, but it does happen. Doesn't make what they're doing right or legal, but it certainly makes it better than if it was done with malice.
 

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SpectacularWebHead said:
3: Rights for Rapists
Look, when this pops up, it is a little bit depressing. When we try and say that people commiting these crimes are some how "Not to blame" or "Accidental" (Pops up more than you'd expect/ want) It's a little ridiculous. These people have commited a serious crime. They are to blame one hundred percent. You cannot accidentally rape someone in the way a murder can happen accidentaly. You cannot be provoked into rape as you can with assault or murder. There is NO possibility of a rapist having done it unintentionally, not meant for it to happen, made a mistake etc. They do it because it is in their nature. Whether this is an excuse or not I cannot comment, but it takes a very sick person to gain sexual thrill over the feeling of a non-consensual partnership. When a crime like this is taken, certain liberties afforded to other criminals and victims of crime should be revoked, due to this simple fact: Rape cannot and happen accidentally.
Not every rapist is some slavering monster plotting and waiting in the shadows for their next unsuspecting victim. Some of them are just...fucking stupid. Add alcohol into the mix and some end up doing things they never intended to do or even thought they were doing at the time. "Wait, what? I thought she was totally into it..." Hence why it's especially critical for them to know they need to get explicit consent.

Not that this excuses them in any way. Just sayin'.
 

Keoul

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Okay let's get this train wreck a rolling!
SpectacularWebHead said:
1: Being the victim of Rape because of your own stupidity does not take responsibility from those who did it.
2: Being dressed like a slut/Man-whore does not entitle people to Rape.
These two points are essentially the same thing so I'll address them together. First off I'd like to agree that rape is a terrible thing that's undeniably wrong, the problem is that's my opinion and no body cares about my opinion they want facts and figures in accordance to the law.
Think of this, if something terrible could be prevented, why would you not take every precaution you could take? If I go out to the beach I know I'd get sunburned so I take precautions and bring a hat and sunscreen. If they didn't want rape to ever occur to them then they could have simply covered up or not get drunk, it's very simple precautions that they decided to ignored.
Now about "Being raped due to your own stupidity does not take responsibility from those who did it". You are absolutely right, but does that mean the victim takes no responsibility for their actions? Could any girl theoretically dress up as a slut, get raped then sue for millions just like that? free cash forever? we have to look at each case from both sides not immediately damn the offender.

However, most people who dress revealingly are doing it for... Fuck knows why, But I'm fairly sure they aren't attempting to get raped.
They dress like that to pickup chicks/dudes and get laid, also for attention. I see no other reason since it doesn't protect you from the weather or feel comfortable.

I expect some form of backlash from some of you.
To you, I say: comeatmebro.jpg
And hope to god this fad ends soon...
-facepalm- Really? was this necessary? did you really think the community was going to scream "OMFG RAPE IS OKAY WHATS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!" why would you get any backlash at all -.- maybe you need to look at some motivational posters or something, boost some faith in humanity.
 

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There is no excuse for rape and nobody deserves to be raped.
So you may dress like a slapper? You may tease the opposite sex? End of the day if the woman (sorry, or man) does not want it - YOU DO NOT GO THERE. If the person is unconscious or clearly of their face you do not take advantage. Said person is a dumbass for getting in that state at a strange party but not dumb enough to become a 'Were so asking for it' victim.

I think it is extremely sad that some people are defending these monsters. Statistics can go to hell. Rape is worse than murder because you live with that horror and it affects your normal everyday life. When you're dead you're dead - you're not haunted and suspicious.
 

Thaluikhain

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It's depressing that the OP is somehow controversial.

Keoul said:
we have to look at each case from both sides not immediately damn the offender.
No, we really, really have to damn the offender.
 

shrekfan246

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I would like to see a specific post on this website where somebody typed out the words "Well, she was asking for it! She shouldn't have been dressed like that!"

If you can't provide that simple request for me, then my only response is that gif.
 

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So many rape threads! My brain is overloading! Can't---- GAH!

Also, this seems somewhat relevant to the topic and is very recent.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-16-2012/louis-c-k-?xrs=share_copy

EDIT: I heard some people in the UK had trouble viewing. Might be able to find it manually on Comedy Central's UK site... which I assume they have. Is CC international?... well, whatever.
 

Phasmal

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Keoul said:
However, most people who dress revealingly are doing it for... Fuck knows why, But I'm fairly sure they aren't attempting to get raped.
They dress like that to pickup chicks/dudes and get laid, also for attention. I see no other reason since it doesn't protect you from the weather or feel comfortable.
How about to make yourself feel good?
Because you think it looks nice?
Because it follows curret fashion?
Because you might want to look special that night?

Jesus, it's not hard.
I remember it being the general consenus of other women that ladies dress more for other ladies than for dudes.

OT: Forum's creepy obsession with rape aside, no item of clothing gives you the right to put your hands on another person without their permission. End of. Maybe that's the message we should put out more- less `don't go anywhere you could possibly be raped, don't wear this, don't do this`.
 

bobmus

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As shrekfan said, this appears to be a reactionary thread to... well nothing. No-one but the most extreme of people would have any disagreement with what you just said.

Keoul said:
Maybe you need to look at some motivational posters or something, boost some faith in humanity.
I google imaged 'motivational'.

I feel demotivated and also a little bit sick.

OP, do not follow this advice.
 

shrekfan246

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Trilligan said:
shrekfan246 said:

I would like to see a specific post on this website where somebody typed out the words "Well, she was asking for it! She shouldn't have been dressed like that!"

If you can't provide that simple request for me, then my only response is that gif.
Methinks this is the type of quote he had in mind

viranimus said:
Granted, not verbatim what you asked for, but the sentiment is the same. Victim is obviously at fault in this poster's mind.
... if you'll pardon the overuse of this...


I have no words... how is sexual assault equatable to standing in the front row of a comedy show? How is "You shouldn't put yourself in that environment if you don't expect drugs, sex, and alcohol" an argument at all? How... I just... my head hurts.
 

Lionsfan

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You know, whenever somebody starts off their thread with something like "I didn't want to make this thread but..." I know we're off to a bad start. Because almost all the time the thread just screams "My opinions MUST be heard by everybody because they're RIGHT and ORIGINAL too!" And then they launch into a bunch of strawman arguments that easily could have gone into the other corresponding thread