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Quazimofo said:
the only band i know anything about, is nightwish. Now, whenever someone asks what kind of music i listen to, all i can say for 100% certain, is videogame song remixes (via ocremix. Good stuff, all free, check it out), and Nightwish. When they say they haven't heard of the band, i find it hard to explain that they aren't very popular in the US, without saying something akin to "not surprised you haven't heard of it, they aren't really popular in the states", which sounds too much like the "hipster" saying so mentioned in the OP
And meanwhile, everyone and their dog's sister reaches for Ghost Love Score when they want to have some "epic" sounding background music for their video ;)
 

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Signa said:
I will give the hipsters one thing: being mainstream usually isn't a good thing. If you look at most media with mainstream appeal, they usually aren't as good as something similar that appeals to a specific genre. Harry Potter is a good series, but I've read some far better fantasy books in my days. Twilight has some of the biggest fans of any series, and yet it's crap compared to most stories about vampires or romance. Call of Duty is breaking sales records, but shooters have been doing what that series has done for years, but better. I find the definition of what makes something "mainstream" to be rather intangible, so I can see why hipsters get a bad rap for disliking something that is hard to define.

That said, being obscure doesn't make it better. There's usually a reason why something hasn't been picked up by the general populace.
Things that are picked up by the mainstream are usually only picked up because they can be marketed to a specific demographic. In most cases, the biggest asset these works have will be their ease to get into. While, for instance, a series like Harry Potter might not be as detailed and rich as Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series, the fact that those books can be picked up and enjoyed by someone with a passing interest in fantasy stories is an advantage it has over Jordan's hyper-detailed doorstopper series.
 

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jamesbrown said:
Which sterling; is it Lindsey Stirling by chance?

Because if not, then I have not heard of it.
Nope, sorry pal. I'm referring to John Sterling. He does Trance Electronica and doesn't even have a wikipedia page.
 

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But to add my own - for ages I've been trying to get anyone to respond to mentions of "Lock's Quest" on Nintendo DS and "Little King's Story" on the Wii. Has anyone played them? Anyone heard of them?
Now, both of those games kick all sorts of ass, and deserve way more recognition than they get. Pretty annoyed by the PSV remake of Little King's Story though: lets take the charming storybook/cartoon artstyle and replace it with a generic anime look! Urgh.

Shadowstar38 said:
Friend: Hey Shadow. What are you doing after school?

Shadow: Going to play some Magic the Gathering with a couple guys.

Friend: What the hell is that?

Shadow: 0______0

BULLSHIT!
The first time I discovered that MTG was a thing that existed was the day I started working in a shop that sold it, and I'm pretty sure I would still be unaware of it if I hadn't gotten that job. The thing is, less than 1 in every 100 sales of Magic cards are to new players- it's all regulars and people who are buying for someone else who plays. I've not seen a glimpse of any marketing for it outside the store and I think 1 online banner ad.
 

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OhJohnNo said:
Nyaliva said:
OhJohnNo said:
On an unrelated note, have you heard of Sparklehorse or Doctor Steel? I like those guys, it'd be nice to find someone else who knows of them.
Wow, I haven't heard Doctor Steel in AGES! I used to listen to "Fibonacci Sequence" and "Build the Robots" like every day. I assume you watch Jacksfilms too from saying "Owaddafuq?"
Funnily enough, I just started watching "Your Grammar Sucks" yesterday (I watched the massive "Best Of" video, it was hilarious). What other stuff do they do?

And yeah, "Fibonacci Sequence" and "Build the Robots" are great, but my favourite Dr. Steel song is probably this:

-Snip awesome vid- [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b49y5odNjKk]

The guy's got a great opera voice and an awesome sense of humour.
Jack does heaps of different stuff, hilarious parodies of things [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsTLUSMOgas], tidbit videos [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwE6exrsdaI], and he loves making fun of Apple products [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHIw9pyfCuU] whenever they come out. This is one of my favourites:

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That Doctor Steel song was awesome! Reminded me of Jack Skellington from Nightmare Before Christmas. Also I forgot how great Back and Forth was! That Sparklehorse song was good too, I might check them out.
 

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CrunkParty said:
OhJohnNo said:
(I'm assuming you don't like Yes)
Absurd! I love Yes and a lot of 70s prog, too. The thing is earlier prog tended to realize that production tricks like that should be there to enhance the experience, not be the experience itself. Yes understood that, the songs were well composed and all the frills helped bring that out. It made the music BETTER, it didn't just make the music.

My problem with Muse and Porcupine Tree and their ilk is that once you take down the mirrors and disperse the smoke there's really not a whole lot there. "Great and Powerful Oz music" is what it is.

But that's just me.
Well, I didn't expect that. Usually self-described "music elitists" tend to dislike ye olde prog acts. Yes are great, agreed (and lord, that sentence makes my inner grammar nazi do a confused double-take every time). I disagree on Muse, though - their first few albums were actually fairly light on production effects, and indeed, when they used them it was only to enhance the music. My favourite example is Space Dementia:

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Recently they've been applying more effects, but using them in an imaginative way (yeah, I still like that bass drop on "Unsustainable"). On the other hand their last 2 have been completely incoherent and too much of a collection of songs without actually holding together as an album.

We should do Synchtube one day, I imagine it'd be beneficial to the both of us.
 

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an annoyed writer said:
I have a situation where no one around here knows anything about the music I like. I'll put it this way: If you're one of the three and a half people on the planet that have heard of the electronica artist Sterling, you're awesome in my book.
I really hope you're refering to Sterling Barnes.
 

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i'll say that my favourite manga is The World God Only Knows and my favourite anime is probably Code Geass. Which is best described as the mainstream of the not-quite-mainstream.
Really, I consider both of those to be pretty mainstream. Whatever, spliting hairs and such. At least, they're both good.

klown said:
I do it a lot with music, because I listen to a lot of European bands, and I am in a State where people think no music ever could come from other country.

"Oh what are you listening too?"
"Die Toten Hosen"
"Who are they?"
"A German punk rock band"
"Did they start in America?"
"No..."
"Then how could they be punk rock"

This is when I stop responding and walk away.
Haven't listened to too much punk, but as far as german punk goes, I'm a fan of Wizo.

OT: I generally don't get angry with people who haven't heard of my stuff because I don't tend to talk about my hobbies to people who aren't at least a little knowledgeable in the field or aren't twats.
 

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Whatislove said:
an annoyed writer said:
I have a situation where no one around here knows anything about the music I like. I'll put it this way: If you're one of the three and a half people on the planet that have heard of the electronica artist Sterling, you're awesome in my book.
I really hope you're refering to Sterling Barnes.
Consider those hopes dashed then. I'm referring to John Sterling.
 

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Most people trying to break the ice and start a conversation with me tend to bring up music, and I mostly listen to a niche metal subgenre. That said, I only actually say things like "You probably haven't heard of it" if I'm deliberately trying to keep the ice intact so they move on, otherwise I carry on a conversation like a normal fucking person. People not having heard of the bands I like means I can introduce said people to them, or change the subject if they don't seem interested.
 

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My ipod is mostly full of female-fronted European gothic and symphonic metal... most people I meet have never heard of (or care for) any of them, and I've heard "Is this Evanescence?" more times than I can count. A lot of people online seem to have at least heard of Nightwish if nothing else, so it's not so bad here. In either case, I tend not to say "You probably haven't heard of them" because it sounds douchey. I just ask "Do you know X?" instead.
 

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Jordy Hartog said:
Quazimofo said:
the only band i know anything about, is nightwish. Now, whenever someone asks what kind of music i listen to, all i can say for 100% certain, is videogame song remixes (via ocremix. Good stuff, all free, check it out), and Nightwish. When they say they haven't heard of the band, i find it hard to explain that they aren't very popular in the US, without saying something akin to "not surprised you haven't heard of it, they aren't really popular in the states", which sounds too much like the "hipster" saying so mentioned in the OP
And meanwhile, everyone and their dog's sister reaches for Ghost Love Score when they want to have some "epic" sounding background music for their video ;)
though of course, not knowing the name and/or origin of a song is not uncommon at all.

how many recognize any number of classical tunes (eine kleine nachtmusik is the only one i can remember off the top of my head).
 

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ImBigBob said:
However, I've found myself saying the phrase a lot simply because most people HAVEN'T heard of the shows, games, movies I like.
Frustrating though it may be, it still reads as dickish. I totally mean no offense, but still.

Those phrases have a negative association with hipsters for a reason (not necessarily justified in terms of their hipsterness, but...).

My dad's a total music nerd, and a good chunk of it rubbed off on me. While my friends were listening to Nirvana and Metallica, I was listening to Tribe and Pixies. My favourite bands change pretty frequently, but usually include both well-known artists (Queen, the Who, David Bowie, Led Zepplin) and virtually unknown artists (The Stone Coyotes, Gatja, Half the World).

The thing is, if I were to go around saying "My favourite band is the Stone Coyotes. You've probably never heard of them," people would react as though I was a dick. Intended or not. Saying I liked Tribe "before they were hyped on Rock Band," a small variation of "before they were cool," similarly.

You just mention these things, few people seem to care. Yes, it's annoying to see dumbfounded looks when you mention you don't play CoD or listen to Maroon 5, but it's one thing to mention an obscure band and another entirely to be all "you've probably never heard of it."
 

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Quazimofo said:
the only band i know anything about, is nightwish. Now, whenever someone asks what kind of music i listen to, all i can say for 100% certain, is videogame song remixes (via ocremix. Good stuff, all free, check it out), and Nightwish. When they say they haven't heard of the band, i find it hard to explain that they aren't very popular in the US, without saying something akin to "not surprised you haven't heard of it, they aren't really popular in the states", which sounds too much like the "hipster" saying so mentioned in the OP
Really? They're not very popular in the US? Because everybody and their brother seems to mention them if they've ever even so much as looked at a single metal record. And everybody and their brother also asks if that's where my monicker comes from.

The monicker predates the song by at least a decade, so...I was using it before it was cool. *runs*
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Quazimofo said:
the only band i know anything about, is nightwish. Now, whenever someone asks what kind of music i listen to, all i can say for 100% certain, is videogame song remixes (via ocremix. Good stuff, all free, check it out), and Nightwish. When they say they haven't heard of the band, i find it hard to explain that they aren't very popular in the US, without saying something akin to "not surprised you haven't heard of it, they aren't really popular in the states", which sounds too much like the "hipster" saying so mentioned in the OP
Really? They're not very popular in the US? Because everybody and their brother seems to mention them if they've ever even so much as looked at a single metal record. And everybody and their brother also asks if that's where my monicker comes from.

The monicker predates the song by at least a decade, so...I was using it before it was cool. *runs*
ive met literally 2 people who already know the band so far. And one of them was an exchange student from the Czech Republic.

Captcha: Garlic, yum
You know me so well captcha!
 

Charli

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I only say that line if someone makes a confused face at me. I think the joke is that most Hipsters don't even wait for a reaction to it. They just go right ahead and say it.
 
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Carpenter said:
You say you enjoy Gengnam style, your point is moot.
Pop music (gengnam style included) is designed meticulously to attract an audience not through actual artistic vision but a repetitive and catchy "beat"

It seems you really are just following trends. Persona rocks, call of duty is shit.
Can you explain why it is shit specifically? Can you tell me something it does horribly wrong that other games don't? Can you tell me how it's gameplay is broken fundamentally?
Probably not, but other people say it sucks so you have to agree.

I don't like COD either but at least I have actual reasons, I don't just accuse the game of being shit, I form my own opinion and understand it's just opinion.
It's a fine game but I don't enjoy playing a game where I have no control over how I do anything. Go there, shoot everyone, press and hold x, repeat.

Can you do that? Nope, just agree with the masses when they say it's shit. Hey that song I don't even understand the lyrics to is popular, guess I like that too. Hey Avengers is popular and nerdy, I'll be so cool by liking that.

What a hipster
Daaayamn, aren't arguments easy when you make up both sides? Because I also read him say that he had no reasons for disliking CoD besides it's popularity. As well as him admitting he couldn't explain why he disliked it.

Wait... no, that was you who said all that. Weird, he must have edited out all of those pre-emptive replies to your post from his OP.

OT: I run into that problem a lot as well. Usually not with music though, as I'm not particularly adventurous in that area. My brother is the worst, I'm seriously considering starting to use that response with him with anything that isn't mainstream mainstream. I brought up steampunk a month ago and he had no clue what it was, and didn't believe me at all when I said it was a pretty well known thing
 

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Some of the music I listen to, since I'm born 1991 but listen to some Rock from the 80s and 90s which is inherited from my dad so they don't listen to that "old crap"...
Well whatever!
But very few of my friends actually listen to Metal so anything I listen to is new to them -.-