I really like the halo book series i think it adds a lot more dept to the characters and to the universe they are in. my favorite so far is either Ghosts of Onxy or The Cole Protocol or First Strike.
that would have ended the book... >.>Bruin said:Stopped at around the third.Korten12 said:Did you only read the first book? From what I see you think the main character can do no wrong and he has made mistakes like everyone else.Bruin said:It is fantasy. Hard-to-believe, non-immersive fantasy.Korten12 said:um... its fantasy for a reason... I find it stupid when people get angry for something not being realistic, so what? Does it matter? Does everything need to be realistic? If someone wrote a story that a 17 year old picked up a gun and becomea pro isntantly would that make the story bad just becuase it wasn't realistic?Bruin said:He's not really that old and his age doesn't hamper him at all. He's the same misanthrope every author almost seems obligated to create in every fantasy universe and the author of Ranger's Apprentice almost ignores physics and reality when he made a stumpy ranger being able to take on barbarians by himself. Not to mention a 14 y/o boy being able to get stomped on by a horse and live.Korten12 said:um... you sure you read it? it said Halt is short and oldish (he has a beard.)Bruin said:A Song of Ice and Fire.Korten12 said:What are your guys favorite book series?
Myn at the moment is the Ranger Apprentince Series, I just began book three and it is really good.
(Sorry if this is a copy thread.)
I read Ranger's Apprentice and I hated it.
Made me want to vomit generic fantasy things out of my eyeballs.
I won't berate the book any more, but what do you like about it? The one thing I did like about it was that Halt wasn't portrayed as being tall and handsome. But the rest of his character and everybody else's (except the bad guys) were pretty Mary-Sue. At least to me.
Part of writing fantasy is creating a world that is believable. You can use "It's Fantasy!" as an excuse, yes. It's a perfectly valid excuse. But if you can't create a world with emotion, with characters people can relate to or characters, plots and actions that are conceivable or make sense, your story will suffer for it.
That's why I didn't like Ranger's Apprentice. It's what's called "Mary Sue" writing, where the characters or plot all benefit the protagonist; generally somebody without flaws or vices who can do no wrong, or if he has, it's justifiable.
The characters don't have any flaws.
But flaws I mean, there's no drawbacks to them. A prodigal warrior who has the skill of a warrior who's been fighting all his life slays barbarians at what? Age 14?
Give me a break.
The "Ranger's Apprentice" who is a deadeye aim and stops an entire enemy invading army by himself, by way of burning a bridge.
The Ranger himself, whose only flaws are being the cool, anti-social character everybody fears.
These characters have no personality flaws. When they do things wrong, they're always things that are later compensated for. I would have liked to see the boy who threw himself under the horse just die instead of coming out alive. Make a mistake that actually matters for once.
But it's not exactly a "Mature Fantasy" read, especially for someone who's used to things like A Song of Ice and Fire, so I guess it's pointless to hammer it much more.
The only things that got me other than the Mary-Sueness of some parts (most of the parts), was the reference to the real world. Things like "secretaries" who wait outside the offices of kings, as if they're business CEOs. The numerous references to "coffee", etc. etc. I'm nitpicky and fairly pissy when it comes to immersion-ruining things, and whether they can be explained away or not doesn't make a difference to me. It still takes away from the overall quality of the book for me.
Is there more of a fantasy element after the first book? Because I read the first book and it felt so starved of any actual fantasy elements that I'd hesitate to even call it fantasy. It felt a lot more like medieval fiction. Sure some of the characters were interesting but on the whole I felt cheated when I was expecting a fantasy story. It's a pretty big stretch to call your book fantasy when it's 850 pages long and only a few of those pages relate to fantasy at all.Korten12 said:Did you only read the first book? From what I see you think the main character can do no wrong and he has made mistakes like everyone else.Bruin said:It is fantasy. Hard-to-believe, non-immersive fantasy.Korten12 said:um... its fantasy for a reason... I find it stupid when people get angry for something not being realistic, so what? Does it matter? Does everything need to be realistic? If someone wrote a story that a 17 year old picked up a gun and becomea pro isntantly would that make the story bad just becuase it wasn't realistic?Bruin said:He's not really that old and his age doesn't hamper him at all. He's the same misanthrope every author almost seems obligated to create in every fantasy universe and the author of Ranger's Apprentice almost ignores physics and reality when he made a stumpy ranger being able to take on barbarians by himself. Not to mention a 14 y/o boy being able to get stomped on by a horse and live.Korten12 said:um... you sure you read it? it said Halt is short and oldish (he has a beard.)Bruin said:A Song of Ice and Fire.Korten12 said:What are your guys favorite book series?
Myn at the moment is the Ranger Apprentince Series, I just began book three and it is really good.
(Sorry if this is a copy thread.)
I read Ranger's Apprentice and I hated it.
Made me want to vomit generic fantasy things out of my eyeballs.
I won't berate the book any more, but what do you like about it? The one thing I did like about it was that Halt wasn't portrayed as being tall and handsome. But the rest of his character and everybody else's (except the bad guys) were pretty Mary-Sue. At least to me.
Part of writing fantasy is creating a world that is believable. You can use "It's Fantasy!" as an excuse, yes. It's a perfectly valid excuse. But if you can't create a world with emotion, with characters people can relate to or characters, plots and actions that are conceivable or make sense, your story will suffer for it.
That's why I didn't like Ranger's Apprentice. It's what's called "Mary Sue" writing, where the characters or plot all benefit the protagonist; generally somebody without flaws or vices who can do no wrong, or if he has, it's justifiable.
I couldn't agree more, those are two of my favorite series.Ensiferum said:For modern nothing can compare to Lord of the Rings and The Chronicles of Narnia.
I guess I can understand why a lot of people like WoT so much, but it's not for me. I made it all the way to book nine before I realized I was just wasting my time.Amyler said:Although it is a 'love it or hate it' affair (Mainly due to Jordan's entirely unique writing style), check out 'The Wheel of Time' by Robert Jordan. Epic is the word to describe. 13 released books (12 chronological and a prequel set 20 years before the 1st book), a 13th to be released late this year and one last title to end the series after that.procyonlotor said:Here it is, folks, the best that Fantasy has to offer. I've been searching for similar quality like a ravenous beast and everything else falls short.Bruin said:A Song of Ice and Fire.
I will just say that Robert Jordan died in late 2007, after finishing work on the 11th serial. Brandon Sanderson (Mistborn Trilogy) is finishing the series with the help of Jordan's widow Harriet.
Take a wild guess at my favorite. >.> I'm also a fan of the Bartimaeus trilogy by Jonathan Stroud, the His Dark Materials trilogy by Phillip Pullman, the Scarecrow and Seven Ancient Wonders series by Matthew Reilly, and I'll stop myself with Derik Landy's Skulldugger Pleasant series.
It wouldn't have ended the book, the author could have been creative for once and made up a new character *Gasp*.Korten12 said:that would have ended the book... >.>Bruin said:Stopped at around the third.Korten12 said:Did you only read the first book? From what I see you think the main character can do no wrong and he has made mistakes like everyone else.Bruin said:It is fantasy. Hard-to-believe, non-immersive fantasy.Korten12 said:um... its fantasy for a reason... I find it stupid when people get angry for something not being realistic, so what? Does it matter? Does everything need to be realistic? If someone wrote a story that a 17 year old picked up a gun and becomea pro isntantly would that make the story bad just becuase it wasn't realistic?Bruin said:He's not really that old and his age doesn't hamper him at all. He's the same misanthrope every author almost seems obligated to create in every fantasy universe and the author of Ranger's Apprentice almost ignores physics and reality when he made a stumpy ranger being able to take on barbarians by himself. Not to mention a 14 y/o boy being able to get stomped on by a horse and live.Korten12 said:um... you sure you read it? it said Halt is short and oldish (he has a beard.)Bruin said:A Song of Ice and Fire.Korten12 said:What are your guys favorite book series?
Myn at the moment is the Ranger Apprentince Series, I just began book three and it is really good.
(Sorry if this is a copy thread.)
I read Ranger's Apprentice and I hated it.
Made me want to vomit generic fantasy things out of my eyeballs.
I won't berate the book any more, but what do you like about it? The one thing I did like about it was that Halt wasn't portrayed as being tall and handsome. But the rest of his character and everybody else's (except the bad guys) were pretty Mary-Sue. At least to me.
Part of writing fantasy is creating a world that is believable. You can use "It's Fantasy!" as an excuse, yes. It's a perfectly valid excuse. But if you can't create a world with emotion, with characters people can relate to or characters, plots and actions that are conceivable or make sense, your story will suffer for it.
That's why I didn't like Ranger's Apprentice. It's what's called "Mary Sue" writing, where the characters or plot all benefit the protagonist; generally somebody without flaws or vices who can do no wrong, or if he has, it's justifiable.
The characters don't have any flaws.
But flaws I mean, there's no drawbacks to them. A prodigal warrior who has the skill of a warrior who's been fighting all his life slays barbarians at what? Age 14?
Give me a break.
The "Ranger's Apprentice" who is a deadeye aim and stops an entire enemy invading army by himself, by way of burning a bridge.
The Ranger himself, whose only flaws are being the cool, anti-social character everybody fears.
These characters have no personality flaws. When they do things wrong, they're always things that are later compensated for. I would have liked to see the boy who threw himself under the horse just die instead of coming out alive. Make a mistake that actually matters for once.
But it's not exactly a "Mature Fantasy" read, especially for someone who's used to things like A Song of Ice and Fire, so I guess it's pointless to hammer it much more.
The only things that got me other than the Mary-Sueness of some parts (most of the parts), was the reference to the real world. Things like "secretaries" who wait outside the offices of kings, as if they're business CEOs. The numerous references to "coffee", etc. etc. I'm nitpicky and fairly pissy when it comes to immersion-ruining things, and whether they can be explained away or not doesn't make a difference to me. It still takes away from the overall quality of the book for me.
Well I am not going to agrue anymore but your also saying a series sucks and talking about characters that you haven't even heard seen their whole story and so your basing off of only not even half of the series so all your assumptions about the characters aren't to be taken seriously as you don't know. Those characters might have changed after the third book and becuase you didn't read after three you wouldn't know.
Til the end anyway.The_Healer said:Dark Tower Series - Stephen King
Hugely Epic.
Redwall is another great series that I really enjoyed. Could you pick a favorite from that series if you had to? I haven't heard of the others but will have to check them out.RoyalSorceress said:I couldn't agree more, those are two of my favorite series.Ensiferum said:For modern nothing can compare to Lord of the Rings and The Chronicles of Narnia.
I also like the Redwall series and most of the books by Dianna Wynn Jones, mostly the Derkholm series and the Eight Days of Luke.
No, no, no, and maybe. Sorry, Ranger's Apprentice, but this guy's right: that dumbass is D-E-A-D, and suspension of disbelief be dead and buried.Bruin said:Was the draft horse in full gallop, was it trained to kill, was it being ridden by the "evilest man in the world" and was it deliberate?HT_Black said:Hm. That would indeed be hazardous to one's health, and I can't say I've ever done something like that; do you think being stomped by a draft horse at age twelve is a comparable experience?
The problem with Wheel of Time, and to a lesser extent A Song of Ice and Fire, is that it tries to be a dozen books at once, and half of them are uninteresting at best. Wheel of Time is extremely annoying because out of the six or so different stories told in the first book, only two of them are worth the time to read. The rest are just bland. Song is only slightly better in that regard. There's 4 stories in them that are well worth reading, but the other 8 are just as boring as WoT.Amyler said:Although it is a 'love it or hate it' affair (Mainly due to Jordan's entirely unique writing style), check out 'The Wheel of Time' by Robert Jordan. Epic is the word to describe. 13 released books (12 chronological and a prequel set 20 years before the 1st book), a 13th to be released late this year and one last title to end the series after that.
I will just say that Robert Jordan died in late 2007, after finishing work on the 11th serial. Brandon Sanderson (Mistborn Trilogy) is finishing the series with the help of Jordan's widow Harriet.