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Nazi-zombies. I have no idea what has happened to them, but they seem to have died out... ironic considering they are ZOMBIES
 

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mosin nagant is so awesome soldiers would steal captured nagants and use them in place of their rifles
 

flaming_squirrel

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The long/bastard/hand-half sword, while it was never used as a 'primary' weapon, it's still awesome.

Or possibly the British longbow, because firing an arrow with a greater force of impact then most modern day handguns is pretty badass.
 

chris89

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Here we go.

Lee Enfield, All verisons bolt action rifle
Avro Lancaster
Avro Vulcan ( V wing bomber, Did longest bomber raid, non stop, First bombing raid of Falklands)
De Havilland Mosquito

BAE Sea Harrier
BAE Harrier GR7,8,9: GR9 to become withdrawn in 2010.2011 when we get the un-needed, 'Stealth' F35.
SEPECAT Jaguar
Hawker Typhoon/ Tempest.

Thats what i can think off at the moment.
 

Steelfists

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SLR (British army version of the FN FAL). I have it on good authority that when you twat someone with one at 600 metres, they "stay twatted".

 

Eclectic Dreck

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stinkychops said:
Despite the posts interesting content and good points you seem to have forgotten to include the bit where you explain where FPS's go wrong.
Touche. The problem is that video games, with the exception of Ghost Recon, seem to regard the grenade launcher as nothing more than an explode on contact hand grenade. The close quarters nature of almost every FPS ever made means that one is almost never very far outside of legitimate grenade range meaning that the M203 (and its kin) have no real purpose. Keep in mind that games like Call of Duty 4 rarely have open sight lines and even when they do you at best have perhaps 100m of open terrain. According to US military doctrine, anything under 150m is considered close combat. The reason is simple - even a poorly trained rifleman can be expected to generally hit a target inside that range without much effort.

If you combine all of this with the simple fact that video games vastly underplay the muzzle velocity of the round (and thus enforcing an artificially high angle of launch - literally nothing more than a balance consideration for what can easily be overpowered) you start to see the problem. Even games that attempt to be realistic (like Ghost Recon) fail in a key area: ammunition. The implication in these games is that a grenadier has only a handful of rounds to lob at his enemies, when in reality the standard combat load is a full 36 rounds HEDP and 210 rounds 5.56x45 NATO.

The reason they do this is balance. The M203 and other grenade launchers are, in fact, vastly superior for the actual application of "killing people" than a rifle. The reason everyone isn'e equipped with one in real life is simply the result of the sheer weight any non-rifleman is expected to carry. A grenadier is carrying more than 40 lbs of ammunition (each HEDP round weighs in at about a pound as does each of the seven magazines they carry by defaul) in addition to his 30 - 40 pounds of armor and additional equipment. In much the same fashion, video games almost always indicate that machine guns lack stopping power (and at a minmum of 5.56mmx46 NATO for us weapons, each round is just as lethal as one fired from an M-16), and accuracy (machine guns generally have a longer effective range than rifles, and a skilled gunner can achieve an excellent grouping at ranges in excess of 300m).
 

rooguy

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I miss the Matilda Battle tank TT.TT It had a HUGE Flamethrower instead of a turret
 

Eclectic Dreck

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stinkychops said:
Very interesting, I never really thought about how powerful grenade launchers are, and in videogames should be, the small radius of handgrenades always seemed fishy to me.

Just with the last bit, do you mean the grenade can travel up to 300m or to 300m with ease.

Anyway, thanks for the read.
The M249 has an effective range (against a point target - that is a single person) of 850m and an area target of over 1000m. Mechanical deviation of the rounds is quite low (about 1 MOA or about 1" every 100 yards), and recoil in most positions is readily managed. Where a rifle firing a burst has a habit of trying to run away from you, the sheer weight of the weapon system combined with the way it's designed to be employed means that even under automatic fire machine guns and well made automatic rifles can be exceedingly accurate and lethal.

In fact, machine guns are often considered the deadliest thing on the battlefield. Historically, 50% of people shot with a machine gun die, generally thanks to the simple fact that you'll almost certainly be shot more than once.
 
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Wow, i was expecting a couple of hundred posts saying this: HK G-11
ridiculous amounts of caseless ammo, high penetration, lightweight frame, discontinued partly becuase of potential electronic countermeasures (used an electronic firing mechanism that could be interupted) if you wanted to saw an apc in half without a vehicle or turret mounted weapon this was the gun for you.
 

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Kron_the_mad said:
Wow, i was expecting a couple of hundred posts saying this: HK G-11
ridiculous amounts of caseless ammo, high penetration, lightweight frame, discontinued partly becuase of potential electronic countermeasures (used an electronic firing mechanism that could be interupted) if yhou wanted to saw an apc in half without a vehicle or turrent mounted weapon this was the gun for you.
It was designed against body armor, not the armor of APCs and tanks, against which you'd mostly get a cool metal-on-metal pinging noise. If you want to saw an APC in half, you need a plasma torch.
 

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Aunel said:
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/metalstorm.jpg
not sure if it is fake, in service or anything, but it is the most awesome thing ever...
it's a real life model of the RC grenade launcher from frontlines fuel of war, it's an awesome tool you come across accossainally. The idea is you hide somewhere, put it down then attack enemy emplacements and light vehicles with it.

My fave weapon of choice would have to be the M65 Atomic cannon, because it's so awesome, it rivals chuck norris....
 

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I say the Nuclear warhead. Super effective, so we only used two

or Poison gas warfare. Anyone without a mask is done for!