your favorite military weapon no longer in service

[Jinx_Dragon]

The Morning Star, AKA: The Skullcracker

It is a flail... thanks to poor fact checking in modern RPGs though people don't seem to know what a morning star actually was and it is often mistaken for this weapon. A morning star is more like a mace, with a solid shaft ending in a large head. But where a mace is blunt the morning star is adorned with spikes. Both Flails and Morning Stars are nice weapons of the era though, if it wasn't for walls of lead death fired from half a km away I would wield this weapon.

 

[Jinx_Dragon]

Cause it melted. The battery life was too short. Not to mention the thing was heavy.

Pffff, a few minor flaw designs that could so easily be corrected but they go and strap the program. I want my 25mm grenade launching assault rifle!

 

[gentleben]

Mosin-Nagant.

There's something elegant about bolt action rifles, the need for accuracy is far more beautiful than the approach of modern weapons where high capacity and rate of fire have replaced elegant simplicity.

It was in production for close to 100 years, with over 36 million being produced, making it the most built firearm, ever.

 

[cthulhu257]

The MG42. Sure, they were German, they were still awesome.

Bren guns, just because they look so badass.

I'm pretty sure there are some newer ones still in use.

Seriously? Who by?

The British used a 7.62mm version called the L4. Just found out they stopped using it in the 90's.

 

[GHMonkey]

the F-16 fighter jet. IIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TTTTTTTTHHHHHHHEEEEEEE DANGER ZONE.

 

[initialdelay]

The Vulcan v-bomber!

 

[sneakypenguin]

Cause it melted. The battery life was too short. Not to mention the thing was heavy.

Pffff, a few minor flaw designs that could so easily be corrected but they go and strap the program. I want my 25mm grenade launching assault rifle!

Also the grenade launcher was basically a dud on arrival, being more a one trick pony that failed to provide an improvement over existing 40mm rounds. It could have been a decent gun but there are currently too many equal or better alternatives.

 

[sneakypenguin]

the F-16 fighter jet. IIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TTTTTTTTHHHHHHHEEEEEEE DANGER ZONE.

Heh, those things are still workhorses in the USAF I do believe. Hopefully considering USAF doesn't have another duel role fighter other than the 40 year old F15s.

 

[laststandman]

i would have to say the Mauser 98 karabiner rifle. that thing was pretty awesome

 

[Thamous]

the F-16 fighter jet. IIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TTTTTTTTHHHHHHHEEEEEEE DANGER ZONE.

Those are still used extensively in the USAF, nice planes but it's time for something better.

 

[RooftopAssassin]

M1 Garand [/thread]

If I had to name something else it would probably be the Kar98 or the Springfield rifle. If I had to name one outside of WWII it would defiantly be the Winchester repeater rifles used in the... WTF it wasn't used in any war??? Oh well, it's still fun to look at!

 

[Jinx_Dragon]

Also the grenade launcher was basically a dud on arrival, being more a one trick pony that failed to provide an improvement over existing 40mm rounds. It could have been a decent gun but there are currently too many equal or better alternatives.

A dud? As a direct fire explosive it would be easier to use then the heavier, lobbed, 40 mm as you just have to point and click.

 

[Motiv_]

The "Silent Death". Also known as the Springfield.

 

[sneakypenguin]

Also the grenade launcher was basically a dud on arrival, being more a one trick pony that failed to provide an improvement over existing 40mm rounds. It could have been a decent gun but there are currently too many equal or better alternatives.

A dud? As a direct fire explosive it would be easier to use then the heavier, lobbed, 40 mm as you just have to point and click.

But it's still limited in application then there was the issue of a shell that small being useful, air burst test where not superb and penetration of armor was pretty much identical to the 40. Geez I forgot what gun we are talking about,( XM8?) or that goofy one with the integrated 6(or so) shot grenade launcher.(xm29) if it's the later then as a standard issue rifle its a bit too much of jack of all trades master of none. not to mention a bit on the heavy side.

 

[Jinx_Dragon]

But it's still limited in application then there was the issue of a shell that small being useful, air burst test where not superb and penetration of armor was pretty much identical to the 40. Geez I forgot what gun we are talking about,( XM8?) or that goofy one with the integrated 6(or so) shot grenade launcher.(xm29) if it's the later then as a standard issue rifle its a bit too much of jack of all trades master of none. not to mention a bit on the heavy side.

Talking about the grenade itself. I still think it would be a useful armament to have, even if you are right and it becomes a niche grenade it still will likely have a place. If for nothing more then the fact a smaller calibre would allow a larger amount of grenades to be carried then current undercarriage systems allow. The fact you can just fire it towards the enemy without worrying about ballistic fire path all that much is still a nice feature.

Now if metal storm designed a weapon system around it.... Three barrels taking up a little more room then the standard 40mm barrel but holding maybe 12 grenades within that could be fired in rapid procession. That could have a use on the battle field, to lay down a fairly impressive 'kill zone' of explosive noise, shock waves and deadly fragments. As an 'oh shit' weapon it would be devastating. Weight might be a problem in such a design though and while I ponder if it could replace the shotgun, in the same way shrapnel replaced canister shot, I do have doubts it would be an effective 'stand alone' weapon system.

Maybe that is why I want to see it incorporate with a standard rifle, cause by itself it really doesn't offer much more advantage then other grenade launchers on the market, some of which are effective as machine guns! Just hurling grenades instead of bullets. It would have to be a 'option B' system, for when you need fast firing explosive power to just bath a whole area prior to entry or to cover a retreat.

But your right... weight will be an issue with any such system, particularly a tri-barrelled MS system.

 

[Souplex]

The Halberd. Pretty much the ultimate weapon until guns ruined warfare.

 

[sneakypenguin]

But it's still limited in application then there was the issue of a shell that small being useful, air burst test where not superb and penetration of armor was pretty much identical to the 40. Geez I forgot what gun we are talking about,( XM8?) or that goofy one with the integrated 6(or so) shot grenade launcher.(xm29) if it's the later then as a standard issue rifle its a bit too much of jack of all trades master of none. not to mention a bit on the heavy side.

Talking about the grenade itself. I still think it would be a useful armament to have, even if you are right and it becomes a niche grenade. If for nothing more then the smaller calibre would allow a larger amount of grenades then current undercarriage systems. The fact you can just fire it towards the enemy without worrying about ballistic fire path all that much is still a nice feature.

Now if metal storm designed a weapon system around it....

O, okay gotcha. T'would be better than then 40mm as you wouldn't have to "lob" the shell, as a stand alone replacement(ie just a stand alone launcher) for the 40 I would like it. Just more accurate shells lighter weight and such. But as far as integration into a rifle(like the xm29 I would hate the weight and negligible performance. IDK what I would think of an underslung launcher though. 25 mm just seems too small.

 

[paragon1]

Trebuchets. Take THAT stone walls.

 

[Mr_spamamam]

Colt 1911. I know its still around, but not as a service weapon.

 

[stabnex]

The Morning Star, AKA: The Skullcracker

It is a flail... thanks to poor fact checking in modern RPGs though people don't seem to know what a morning star actually was and it is often mistaken for this weapon. A morning star is more like a mace, with a solid shaft ending in a large head. But where a mace is blunt the morning star is adorned with spikes. Both Flails and Morning Stars are nice weapons of the era though, if it wasn't for walls of lead death fired from half a km away I would wield this weapon.

I saw one of those, but this was the weapon I had in mind and miss the most. Far more deadly when momentum and skill come into play.