Your Thoughts: Nintendo

[TheHound]

Its not how the game mechanics work, its the issues it deals with and the way the game treats you. A fantasy game with swords which deals with morally ambiguous choices and themes such as racial intolerance is yes much more adult than save this princess from these evil turtles.

EDIT: out of interest name a game by Nintendo that does treat someone as an adult. Oh and just again im not saying Nintendo suck Im saying their games arent aimed at the adult market, why is that such a big problem for you?

 

[TheHound]

Good point, there arent any that spring to mind right away. But not being a big console fan, I occasionally play on my brothers, I wouldnt know. I suck so so badly at gamepads that I stick to my pc.

I like games with a lot of depth i.e. Deus Ex 1, but also stuff like Rome:Total War there was a lot to that game. Someone else would have to say if they think there are any adult games for the other consoles.(Copious blood and killing does not equal adult,i.e. were the gore to be turned off could the game still be considered to be dealing with adult issues) However point remains I dont like Nintendo cos they dont make my kind of games, dont hate them or anything, just dont like them.

EDIT: *post made no sense*

 

[Jagdedge]

Its not how the game mechanics work, its the issues it deals with and the way the game treats you. A fantasy game with swords which deals with morally ambiguous choices and themes such as racial intolerance is yes much more adult than save this princess from these evil turtles.

EDIT: out of interest name a game by Nintendo that does treat someone as an adult. Oh and just again im not saying Nintendo suck Im saying their games arent aimed at the adult market, why is that such a big problem for you?

How is the choice between killing this guy or not such a huge moral dilemma? I don't know if that's a choice in any of the aforementioned games, as a result of not playing them, but that sounds like every "morally ambiguous" choice I've ever been given in a video game.

Kill the guy, or spare him. YOU GET TO BE BAD OR GOOD!!!1!

How about this. You can either be a tree-hugging pussy peace child, or you can be a nut-stomping manly man by either choosing to crush the life out of the short, deformed midget hobbling towards you, or not.

There, a true moral dilemma.

Addressing the second part of your post; I just don't really feel like a kid when I'm sitting there blasting zombies' heads clear off. Or ordering around twenty-some people trying to avoid getting them killed by using sound tactics, then turning around and demanding them to kill that guy over there by cleaving his head in two. I also don't feel like a nine year old girl when I'm using a laser sword to hack people into little bits and a shower of blood rains down.

Resident Evil: Chronicles, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, and No More Heroes respectively.

I don't see how you gleamed that this was "such a big problem". I've posted once, with a total of what? Twenty-five words? It's just that I hate when people take one game as the standard for all the games presented on the system.

 

[TheTakenOne]

Its not how the game mechanics work, its the issues it deals with and the way the game treats you. A fantasy game with swords which deals with morally ambiguous choices and themes such as racial intolerance is yes much more adult than save this princess from these evil turtles.

EDIT: out of interest name a game by Nintendo that does treat someone as an adult. Oh and just again im not saying Nintendo suck Im saying their games arent aimed at the adult market, why is that such a big problem for you?

How is the choice between killing this guy or not such a huge moral dilemma? I don't know if that's a choice in any of the aforementioned games, as a result of not playing them, but that sounds like every "morally ambiguous" choice I've ever been given in a video game.

Kill the guy, or spare him. YOU GET TO BE BAD OR GOOD!!!1!

How about this. You can either be a tree-hugging pussy peace child, or you can be a nut-stomping manly man by either choosing to crush the life out of the short, deformed midget hobbling towards you, or not.

There, a true moral dilemma.

Addressing the second part of your post; I just don't really feel like a kid when I'm sitting there blasting zombies' heads clear off. Or ordering around twenty-some people trying to avoid getting them killed by using sound tactics, then turning around and demanding them to kill that guy over there by cleaving his head in two. I also don't feel like a nine year old girl when I'm using a laser sword to hack people into little bits and a shower of blood rains down.

Resident Evil: Chronicles, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, and No More Heroes respectively.

I don't see how you gleamed that this was "such a big problem". I've posted once, with a total of what? Twenty-five words? It's just that I hate when people take one game as the standard for all the games presented on the system.

Wow, someone else who's actually played Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. And here I was beginning to think the only known Wii titles on this board were Mario, Zelda, and Metroid.

It seems nobody does the research anymore and simply goes by what everyone else is saying because surely we all know that when someone posts on a message board it's 100% truth. I'm not gonna say Nintendo doesn't beat the proverbial dead horse(because they do with furious abandon), but honestly when has that been a bad thing? Especially when the results are clearly successful and they do manage to change enough about a game to make it feel like something different without abandoning what made them so successful in the first place.

Taking nothing away from the PS3 and XBox 360--I myself do intend to eventually get a PS3 once I'm sure that shelling out the money for one won't feel like one massive kick in the testicles with a steel-toed boot.

 

[stevesan]

nintendo is a smart company, and i admire them for it. they're doing well, which means their employees won't be working buttloads of overtime with bad compensation. that's good management and good business. i commend them.

sure, as a hardcore gamer, i may not like their current stuff. that's ok - i'll live. it's not like nintendo has some moral obligation to appease me with every game they put out. that wasn't part of the $60 deal.

 

[stevesan]

i recognize nintendo at least tries something new, the wii IS innovative. the problem is, they never come out with any innovative games. All they push are their mario, metroid, and zelda exclusives. I dont like them for this and their lack of online play and the fact that they design everything for n00bz. the wii takes no skill to play all you have to do is dance around like an idiot and you get rewarded with a uber-positive well done!

apparently, there's a lotta ppl that will pay good money to play games that take no skill to play, or where you dance around like an idiot. apparently, it's a pretty good business to be in.

god bless any company that swallows its pride and recognizes a good business opportunity.

 

[stevesan]

I am a long-long-long-long time Nintendo fan who has recently become very wary of their products. I don't have a Wii, partly thanks to the shortage and partly thanks it having few worth while games. I do have some interest in grabbing one someday, thanks to Metroid Prime 3, Super Smash Bros, No More Heroes, and Super Mario Galaxy, but those games aren't enough to make me fight some soccer mom for the last Wii at my local Gamestop.

I just feel that Nintendo has abandoned me, really. Though they still offer a few games I'd like to play and I'd love to give them a second chance, I can tell with the Wii and the DS that Nintendo is looking to please a new audience, and it's not the audience that grew up playing their games. It's a bit difficult to explain, as I won't completely write them off until I actually put some real play time into the Wii. Nevertheless, I know I will never be as much of a Nintendo fan as I was during the past three generations when they catered, for the most part, to real gamers.

The DS is mostly a lost cause for me. It gets a few good games a year, but only the third-party ones are worth any price. I've found that games like Metroid and Mario Kart have become serious rehashes on the DS and don't offer anything particularly interesting. I'm a major fan of the series presented, like Metroid Prime, Super Mario Bros., and Mario Kart; but the DS versions are extremely boring. That feeling may carry over into their corresponding Wii titles, but I won't make that judgment yet. The only thing that ever peaks my interest on the DS is a game put out by a third-party that has some unique twist or will surely have strong gameplay.

I guess to summarize, I'm on the fence but slowly slipping off onto the "don't like them" side.

if you do feel "abandoned," then i would kindly suggest you don't get so attached to corporations - they're not the best of friends

at the end of the day, nintendo is responsible for paying its employees. and if "abandonning" the hardcore market will help these hard working employees feed their families and get their just reward, then i support that. i'll survive without hardcore nintendo games - there's plenty of other companies making hardcore games for me.

 

[TheTakenOne]

i recognize nintendo at least tries something new, the wii IS innovative. the problem is, they never come out with any innovative games. All they push are their mario, metroid, and zelda exclusives. I dont like them for this and their lack of online play and the fact that they design everything for n00bz. the wii takes no skill to play all you have to do is dance around like an idiot and you get rewarded with a uber-positive well done!

apparently, there's a lotta ppl that will pay good money to play games that take no skill to play, or where you dance around like an idiot. apparently, it's a pretty good business to be in.

god bless any company that swallows its pride and recognizes a good business opportunity.

Another glorious example of when someone does not do the research.

I'll be the first to admit I was extremely wary of the Wii's motion-sensitive control scheme, so much so that I insisted on getting the Classic controller so I wouldn't feel so much like an idiot when I played. However, I quickly learned that those people in the television ads playing the Wii are a bunch of monkeys with epilepsy, because no one moves around that much unless you're playing Wii Sports. When you move past this bias that admittedly Nintendo asked for with these ads, you'd easily understand that Nintendo has actually played it relatively safe with the fancy-pants motion sensor. It's rarely even an issue in the few games I've played for it, but even so, is it really so intimidating if a game asks you to get up off your ass to play a game once in a while? Honestly, it doesn't hurt to try before you immediately dismiss the idea as complete rubbish.

 

[X nosgoth X]

I see what you mean. In many ways Nintendo will always be the video game company to a lot of people. How many of us have parents, or grandparents that call every console a Nintendo?

Very true. I was raised with Nintendo. The original NES was just before my time but I spent countless hours playing Super Mario World and Zelda: A Link To The Past. After being forced to sell my SNES when I got new consoles, I have recently bought a SNES again and I love it. In many ways I enjoy it more than any of the current-gen (it's not very next anymore, is it?) consoles I own.

But surprisingly, I do have most of Nintendo's things. I bought a N64 just for Ocarina Of Time, and enjoyed Super Mario 64 just as much when it came with the pack I bought. Then came the Gamecube, which I also bought just for Zelda. I was able to keep from buying the Wii since Twilight Princess was also released for the Gamecube, but I, too, have to admit that it's just getting old. I've been a loyal fan all my life but I can't stand another Zelda game now.

Of course, my taste in games has changed over the years, as I assume is the case for pretty much everyone, but I can safely say that I will never buy a Wii, and probably any other Nintendo console unless they really come with something new that is actually good. And before I'm flamed, yes I do realize that the definition of 'good' is extremely relative.

On second thought I would like to add a story about my experience with a Wii. My brother worked for a gaming store for a short time this year and a mother came to return a Wii console, claiming it was broken. My brother had been known to know a lot about games and the like, so the owner of the store suggesting hé'd take it home with him for the weekend to see if it was really broken. After connecting the controller to the console in 5 minutes, we had the Wii working all weekend. Long story short, I simply do not like the aiming system. Maybe he had been given the two worst games possible (Red Steel and Call of Duty 3) but I didn't enjoy even a second of it.

 

[broadband]

im someway a nintendo fan, yet racional, i didnt had the change to try the gamecube, but i could play the NES, N64 and wii, and im also someway tyred of zelda, the problem is that some people dont want a change.

maybe if they would make more complex stories then it may would worth if you ask to me, final fantasy still using the same turn-based combat as where i know and still selling possibly because their stories, well im not sure, this was just something that came to my head after of reading the last comment.

 

[squirrelman42]

Nintendo is not afraid to do something different. The Wii was a bold new step into uncharted territory. Sure there are a bunch of crap games that are pure novelty and suck from the first moment (carnival, any game that ends in Z) but there are greats.

As for story, nobody plays a Mario or Zelda title for the story. You already know what it is. You play to see the puzzles they've added, the combat tweaks, and what they've kept that people love. And speaking of story, there are only 3: Man vs. Man (or alien). Man vs. Nature. Man vs. Self.

They don't cater to the "older" gamers, but so what? That's what your 360 is for. If my Wii and 360 did the same thing, I'd have no reason to have both. If you need to play mature games only then I feel sorry for you. Putting all games rated E into the crap bin in your head will leave you missing out on many a good game.

When I have friends over, we don't play X-box. We play Nintendo games. Nintendo has THE BEST multiplayer in 1 household games

As for the DS, I love mine. I love the touch screen, I love seeing maps and inventory and the like without going to a menu, I love the price, I love Dementium and New Super Mario.

Nintendo is far from perfect. They have done a lot of things right, but I hate how every company with a license to sell will get their game published on a Nintendo console (M&M's racing, Aly & AJ adventures). I think that Nintendo is heading in the right direction to get a greater variety of games on it, but why isn't Call of Duty 4 on the Wii? 3 was.

And for price? Can't beat it. I don't mind that Wii won't be photorealistic. The system and the games don't hurt my bank account as much that way.

All in all, Nintendo isn't perfect, but they have their nich and are filling it superbly.

 

[alexhayter86]

As for story, nobody plays a Mario or Zelda title for the story. You already know what it is. You play to see the puzzles they've added, the combat tweaks, and what they've kept that people love. And speaking of story, there are only 3: Man vs. Man (or alien). Man vs. Nature. Man vs. Self.

It's true, people still get alot out of those games based purely on the gameplay and immersiveness. But wouldn't they be even better with an emotional, engaging narrative? What I'm saying really is a comparison to games found on other formats: I've personally noted many improvements to story-telling in games over recent years, and if we're mentioning names, in games such as Bioshock, Portal/HL2, Ico, Deus Ex, blah blah blah.

I'm pretty happy with how Mario and Zelda are now: obviously many other people are, with its high metacritic rating at least. But who's to say how much games such as these would improve if more efforts were made to craft amazing stories? I get my platforming action fix from a spot of Mario Galaxy... but the story is about as shallow as a kiddie pool. I look for a fantastic storytelling elsewhere: but I'd happy stick with Nintendo for it, if they had any.

The obvious rebuke to this idea might be "silly billy, no one's going to take Mario seriously". And I might be wrong, but the only way to find out would be for some genius to take the steps to work on the story.

Anyway, I'm always one for criticizing games and games developers, no matter how fantastic they are: if people don't criticize, the games won't improve.

 

[Condorbeta]

Wii controller + PS3/360 power = A system of awesomeness.

Yet it'd probably cost more than the PS3 and 360 combined

 

[Jthom252]

Nintendo for me is a love/hate relationship.

Personally, I think they're one of the better development companies in terms of the quality of their overall gameplay, but I hate their systems. However, I don't hate Nintendo systems because I don't like originality, in fact, I think the Wii is a great concept, but ever since the Nintendo 64 they've all had some major flaw.

Usually in the fact that they use a media format that's already outdated or will soon be thanks to it's competition. I bring this up because ever since the N64 it's resulted in them having terrible Third-Party games, either in lack of features, or lack of existence. Add on other flaws like poor Online Support (Talking mostly Gamecube era here, I haven't really begun to even look at what the Wii has in that regard) and it's gotten to the point where I'll no longer own a Nintendo console as my sole console, or for anything but Nintendo games.

I have started to regain faith in them with the Wii though. It's really something that has alot of potential and it's diverse enough that it attracts a different development crowd, but I still think that it'll run into problems down the line because they wanted to sell it off cheap.

 

[Abbadiel]

I really, really dislike nintendo. Why? Because they just repeat the same game over and over again. They do that even with consoles. Remeber the Power Glove? Okay, the Wii is just a Power Glove actually that works.

 

[TheTakenOne]

I really, really dislike nintendo. Why? Because they just repeat the same game over and over again. They do that even with consoles. Remeber the Power Glove? Okay, the Wii is just a Power Glove actually that works.

Yes, because the PS2 was absolutely nothing like the PS1, and the PS3 is definitely not an evil(maybe) mutant hybrid of the two.

 

[X nosgoth X]

Yes, because the PS2 was absolutely nothing like the PS1, and the PS3 is definitely not an evil(maybe) mutant hybrid of the two.

Also true. Come to think of it, I really dislike the gaming industry as a whole because they're all just slacking off compared to back in the day. Sure, there's a few really good games every now and then, but releasing a game that has a single player value of 5 hours? It's become as common as the rising sun and if we had a choice, we wouldn't pay 60 dollars for it. Sadly, it's become the norm.

Edit: While trying to press the edit button, I reported my own post. It's still early.

In any case, I agree with pretty much everyone posting here, because I also think Nintendo should be praised for trying new things and not focusing on photorealistic graphics. In all honesty, I wouldn't mind if we never reach that level. We wouldn't be playing games anymore, and we would buy shooters because we could almost kill real people.

As for Nintendo's party games, I can't really agree or disagree here. I've seen footage of several of their games, and even the attempt of Microsoft to copy it (Viva Pinata Party Animals?), but I have never actually played any of them.

Same goes for the movie industry, but that's a different forum.

 

[TheTakenOne]

Regrettably, I have to agree with that. Video gaming has always been a very large part of my recreational life ever since I got my first Nintendo at the age of 3, but I can remember sitting in front of the living room TV playing Super Mario Bros. 3 with that giant joypad... thing(which I admit with no shame I still own) and being absolutely in love with the whole thing.

I don't know if it's because I've gotten older or because there's not as much effort placed into making a good game these days but I simply don't get as excited about playing new games anymore.

Right now, though, I'm not so much convinced it's either but rather the direction gaming itself has taken these days, aiming toward an older audience and also trying to capture that Darker And Edgier tone that people my age seem to eat up while at the same time shunning anything that has any bright colors on the cover.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course...

 

[Jagdedge]

Perfect example: The Prince of Persia series.

I miss the original Prince.