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[Hagi]

Isn't this thread quite the proof that it does happen?

You're basing your entire opinion about whether or not something does happen on someone's race, sexuality and gender. Isn't that the very basis of discrimination? Judging a person not by himself or herself but purely on his race, sexuality or gender.

You could argue that others have it much worse, which is very likely true. But this thread proves itself wrong by judging straight white males purely on their race, gender and sexuality without any regard for that person themselves.

You guys are trying to exclude straight white males from topics dealing with discrimination, racism and unfairness in life. That is discrimination, racism and unfairness in life. Granted, it's not bad at all compared to what's happening to some other groups; But it sure ain't good.

 

[KoSTHB]

So you're complaining about the archtypal roles people have in the media? (at least that's what I'm assuming based on what you said)

With more ethnic minority, female and homosexual/bisexual writers and directors entering various medias and more celebreties from various backgrounds achieving greater fame this is something that has changed significantly in recent history (compare the days where we used black-face in film to today where there quite a few big minority stars out there).

And stating that a family who has been stable in one location for a long time has more wealth at their disposal than one that has migrated into a new country and culture recently isn't really a reflection on discrimination or race, that's an economic observation and would naturally apply to any family regardless of race or background.

So now I have to ask how exactly that affects our personal freedoms in any way?

well if people get information from a biases source "we all do in some way or another" and only from that biases source the knowledge about the things, people, places etc. People will create social norms out of the "knowledge" they got and even rules "imagine that" to maintain norms.

never said that immigration thing was an issue of discrimination but just a fact
1) white people were in American and became the majority earlier than any group "not counting Native Americans because most were slaughter and weren't part of US"
2) This continued up to current time meaning that potential of wealth was greater than other groups who had their potential for creating wealth blocked.

 

[KoSTHB]

Isn't this thread quite the proof that it does happen?

You're basing your entire opinion about whether or not something does happen on someone's race, sexuality and gender. Isn't that the very basis of discrimination? Judging a person not by himself or herself but purely on his race, sexuality or gender.

You could argue that others have it much worse, which is very likely true. But this thread proves itself wrong by judging straight white males purely on their race, gender and sexuality without any regard for that person themselves.

You guys are trying to exclude straight white males from topics dealing with discrimination, racism and unfairness in life. That is discrimination, racism and unfairness in life. Granted, it's not bad at all compared to what's happening to some other groups; But it sure ain't good.

its not excluding straight white males from topics dealing with discrimination racism and unfairness in life.its me questioning why do we focuses on race for being a source our problems in cases when its not or rarely is. the bulk happen against non whites by all types of people and a tiny amount is against white straight males

 

[Aprilgold]

I might as well start with the Race oriented one while I'm here:
As said before, being a ass hat is open TO EVERYBODY. Nothing to go on there.

Most people who try to pull the Race card when there is no reason too just don't want to get into a fight and still win by calling you a racist. There really is nothing to complain about on the gender side of issues. Feminists are doing a great job trying to balance all the rights perfectly so that guys don't get them taken away, which is a big thumbs up from me.

Therefore, people can / are sometimes stupid and asshats.

 

[Vegosiux]

its not excluding straight white males from topics dealing with discrimination racism and unfairness in life.its me questioning why do we focuses on race for being a source our problems in cases when its not or rarely is. the bulk happen against non whites by all types of people and a tiny amount is against white straight males

Because it's annoying when you have a complaint and are told "Suck it up, you have it easy unlike "

 

[Sandernista]

a question here for people on Escapist that i honestly don't understand and have been noticing it more recently. In many a topic dealing with racism, discrimination some unfairness in life, why in most cases do the white straight male tries to victimize himself using only experiences in which people of other races and gender have done the proclaimed wrong.I'm not here to say that white males can't be discriminated against but i have notice that especially on the internet white males end up calling on the Race Card. i find this rather silly as in American culture being White, straight and male gives you advantages in life.

Yes, being white, straight, and male gives a person advantages, but it also gives him disadvantages (like being told, for example, hey, you've got it "easy" in life, so we're going to give preferential treatment to others because they "don't have it as easy").

So while giving you preferential treatment in almost everything, the downside is you don't get even more preferential treatment. Wut?

 

[ShadowStar42]

Because being a white straight male doesn't always give you advantages in life.

Pretty much the only time this is true is if you are in a majority non-white society. This is what I mean about not knowing the level of privilege you receive.

You fucking missed the rest of my post. You missed my whole fucking point.

And yes, white people are discriminated against. There's this misconception that all white straight males have decent jobs and decent lives when that's just not true, and it's frustrating when you try to say something to the contrary and you get shot down like I'm going to at some point in this thread.

I didn't miss your point, I disagreed with it. The fact is, even if you were born on the same day, in the same hospital next door to a child who was a minority you have benefited from bring white. Even if we put aside all of the social advantages of being white in America (which are numerous) you had a better chance of finding a job, are more likely to get promoted, may get payed more for the same work, and enjoy a longer life expectancy.

 

[Right Hook]

Because being a white straight male doesn't always give you advantages in life.

Pretty much the only time this is true is if you are in a majority non-white society. This is what I mean about not knowing the level of privilege you receive.

True, it does give advantages but it doesn't mean that life still isn't going to be challenging and filled with discrimination for other reasons than sexual preference and skin color. I can't speak for another race or homosexuals, so when I speak of being mistreated I can only speak from my point of view since it's all I've ever been. Are certain aspects much easier being a straight white male? Yes. Is every individual completely different and in some cases may face worse treatment despite certain preferred qualities previously given? Also entirely true.

I agree being a straight white male gives you a leg up out of the gate but it doesn't mean life is going to be easy and that is changing to be the case more and more every day, which in my opinion is a good thing. It is really frustrating when you are going through something challenging and someone says something like "well at least you're white", as if your problem can't be all that bad, not that it is usually that direct.

 

[Jinx_Dragon]

I'm sure knowing that white men "have it easy" is a great comfort to the person living from paycheck to paycheck in low income housing

Oh yeah, makes my heart all warm and tingly to know that we white people living from paycheck to paycheck have it better. No wait, I can't, I don't even get a paycheck anymore because I lost my job: for not being Canadian!*


*No it wasn't discrimination, but humorous timing for this thread. It was simply trusting that the provisional and federal governments could do something in a reasonable time frame that cost me my job. I know... I know, stupid assumption to make and now I am paying for it.

 

[AngelBlackChaos]

This is part of what bothers me. Everyone has had problems some point in their life. Maybe some are not as dramatic or overwhelming as some, but they have. I hate when ANY race plays a victim. Just like when any sex plays victim. EVERYONE has problems. White people have problems, same as black people. I have had a shitload of misfortune. So has millions of other people. What makes someone else more entitled?

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

Okay, OP. Name how many financial aid programs there are for white, straight males?
How about other aid systems?
Not many, huh?
You see, because white straight males have historically had an advantage doesn't mean they still do, and because other groups now have those advantages doesn't mean society is fair.

 

[Grant Hobba]

a question here for people on Escapist that i honestly don't understand and have been noticing it more recently. In many a topic dealing with racism, discrimination some unfairness in life, why in most cases do the white straight male tries to victimize himself using only experiences in which people of other races and gender have done the proclaimed wrong.I'm not here to say that white males can't be discriminated against but i have notice that especially on the internet white males end up calling on the Race Card. i find this rather silly as in American culture being White, straight and male gives you advantages in life.

Not really... In Australia being a white male... we are the minority...

and in a lot of peoples defense... the race card is because other ethnicities do not obey basic social etiquette.

I personally think racism is disgusting; but I would never go to a foreign country and treat their customs like they treat ours.

I know a lot of them have overcome hard ship and whatever, but there is no reason for them to block walk ways whilst doing absolutely nothing of worth, bring leaky containers on to trains and when spilt on someone ... refuse to help clean the person, or the seat so someone else can sit down, not learn our language or at least a few words, get our holidays deemed offensive in schools... (if you don't like it... go back to your own shit hole)and just such a large gamut of rude, ignorant behaviors ...

It is nothing less than disgusting and if white people did that in their country we would be subject to punishment of full severity ....

I think the fact that they do not respect us enough to obey our customs or at least not behave like an animals (spitting on the public transport...) means we should be very much able to play the race card... people like me have hard time finding work because I am of no "minority ethnicity ..." yet people who can't speak English get my university education required jobs and with no quals; just because that foreigner can sue them for discrimination if my hard working arse gets the job.

I mean no disrespect to non Caucasians.... just stating situations I go through every day and have never seen white people on the causing trouble side....

 

[ShadowStar42]

Okay, OP. Name how many financial aid programs there are for white, straight males?
How about other aid systems?
Not many, huh?
You see, because white straight males have historically had an advantage doesn't mean they still do, and because other groups now have those advantages doesn't mean society is fair.

Actually there are thousands, most of which you have a statistically much greater chance of getting if you are white. Free Masons, Rotary Club, FOE and those are just off the top of my head.

 

[Tipatap]

As a white male who lives in the United States of America, I have only this to say. Other races and sexes face far more discrimination than people do of mine, but there are disadvantages. My first example is people thinking this is bigoted of me to say so. I am not a bigot, nor do I judge anyone differently because of their race or sex. But because I am a white male, people will assume I am a bigot because of my statement.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Okay, OP. Name how many financial aid programs there are for white, straight males?
How about other aid systems?
Not many, huh?
You see, because white straight males have historically had an advantage doesn't mean they still do, and because other groups now have those advantages doesn't mean society is fair.

Actually there are thousands, most of which you have a statistically much greater chance of getting if you are white. Free Masons, Rotary Club, FOE and those are just off the top of my head.

do the Free Masons specifically state that the aid is exclusively for straight, white, males?

 

[FortheLegion]

Wow this is an angry thread. Unfortunately I don't have much to contribute as my home is one of the least racially diverse locations in the country. I live in New Hampshire and I've met about 3 black people in my 18 years of living here. Unfortunately all three of them were jerks.

I'm pretty sure I'm a bit prejudiced now though.

 

[KoSTHB]

a question here for people on Escapist that i honestly don't understand and have been noticing it more recently. In many a topic dealing with racism, discrimination some unfairness in life, why in most cases do the white straight male tries to victimize himself using only experiences in which people of other races and gender have done the proclaimed wrong.I'm not here to say that white males can't be discriminated against but i have notice that especially on the internet white males end up calling on the Race Card. i find this rather silly as in American culture being White, straight and male gives you advantages in life.

Not really... In Australia being a white male... we are the minority...

and in a lot of peoples defense... the race card is because other ethnicities do not obey basic social etiquette.

I personally think racism is disgusting; but I would never go to a foreign country and treat their customs like they treat ours.

I know a lot of them have overcome hard ship and whatever, but there is no reason for them to block walk ways whilst doing absolutely nothing of worth, bring leaky containers on to trains and when spilt on someone ... refuse to help clean the person, or the seat so someone else can sit down, not learn our language or at least a few words, get our holidays deemed offensive in schools... (if you don't like it... go back to your own shit hole)and just such a large gamut of rude, ignorant behaviors ...

It is nothing less than disgusting and if white people did that in their country we would be subject to punishment of full severity ....

I think the fact that they do not respect us enough to obey our customs or at least not behave like an animals (spitting on the public transport...) means we should be very much able to play the race card... people like me have hard time finding work because I am of no "minority ethnicity ..." yet people who can't speak English get my university education required jobs and with no quals; just because that foreigner can sue them for discrimination if my hard working arse gets the job.

I mean no disrespect to non Caucasians.... just stating situations I go through every day and have never seen white people on the causing trouble side....

that is unfortunate for you but i did state In "America" where white males are the majority.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

Because being a white straight male doesn't always give you advantages in life.

And yes, white people are discriminated against. There's this misconception that all white straight males have decent jobs and decent lives when that's just not true, and it's frustrating when you try to say something to the contrary and you get shot down like I'm going to at some point in this thread.

You beat me to it. Another factor is class. While it may be true that a straight, white, male has more advantages, a straight, white, male from a poor background is going to be discriminated against by every member of the upper classes, gender and skin-tone* be damned. Of course, class and social standing aside, anyone can be victimized and discriminated against.

*I say 'Skin-Tone' instead of 'Race' because we are all humans, skin-tone doesn't change that.

 

[Skandis]

i find this rather silly as in American culture being White, straight and male gives you advantages in life.

Now I don't know for certain about USA since I'm from Europe, but the following should at least be of interest for you anyhow:

* Court rulings regarding custody
* Society's view on male domestic abuse victims in straight relationships
* The affirmative actions; or rather, the complete lack of such in female dominated workplaces
* Average jailtime for males contra females, for identical crimes

Your assumption that "white middleclass male = nothing wrong in life compared to all other groups" is flawed at best.