Zero Punctuation: Dante's Inferno
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geldonyetich said:
As far as straw man tactics go I've seen a lot better than that. The two games may be of the same genre but the similarities pretty much end there for the most part. And let's not forget that story and characters are important parts to factor in too. And a key word here is "seems". It would be nice if you could reserve passing judgement until after the game has actually been released and has had a chance to prove it's worth to the gaming community.
wow my friend got this game and its been a blast. The levels are freaky and graphic and the game doesnt even try to skirt around anything mature it just shies a big beacon light on it. I have played GoW 1 and 2 and found this game to be at least as good if not better just because of the mature focus of the game. Is it perfect, no, there is No game that will ever be perfect. Is it fun yes. Also this game had a decent story that was followable unlike Bayonetta which was a story thrown into a blender then thrown across the room. Will GoW 3 be better, most likely they have already had 2 games to build off of, but the story and art of the game gives it playability all of its own. But if you can't handle an actual Mature contented game GoW 3 will be out soon for your sensitive eyes.
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I'm just curious as to why, since he mentioned his fuzzy bum, Yahtzee didn't comment at all about Lucifer's ridiculous bait and tackle flopping across the screen during the entirety of the second phase.
Contrappasso to Lust: people who abandoned themselves to their overwhelming feelings while alive, letting themselves be carried, are now forced to be overwhelmed by a stormy wind (with painful, rock-slamming epilogues at times).
Enough of an explanation, Mr. Croshaw?
Time to find another hobby to your saturday evenings, if you don't like windy places..
Enough of an explanation, Mr. Croshaw?
Time to find another hobby to your saturday evenings, if you don't like windy places..
Devil May Cry was first (2001) and God of War came out second(2005) so I'm sorry GOW copied DMC[/quote]
DMC and GoW are very different games and have very different styles. I am a little annoyed with how people keep lumping the two together. DMC had the ability to switch between main melee weapon and gun in a combo, where GoW had one main weapon and you switched as needed.
But mostly DMC was about style and combos, GoW was about the raw brutality. I have played both and if you want to say one is like the other, you may as well lump every blody action game where you gain exp together.
DMC and GoW are very different games and have very different styles. I am a little annoyed with how people keep lumping the two together. DMC had the ability to switch between main melee weapon and gun in a combo, where GoW had one main weapon and you switched as needed.
But mostly DMC was about style and combos, GoW was about the raw brutality. I have played both and if you want to say one is like the other, you may as well lump every blody action game where you gain exp together.
That's not a straw man tactic. It's an overenthusiastic expression of exasperation that you misinterpreted my message.A1 said:
Which failed.
Granted, this shouldn't surprise me. As as been my experience of forums, if someone didn't bother to read and understand what I wrote the first time, they won't the second or subsequent times either.
To clarify, the reason I mentioned Devil May Cry isn't because the game is better or worse than God Of War but rather because Devil May Cry did the genre first. [Edit: Lest we run into anybody else as thick as Shadow Skill, don't take the word "genre" as implying "Action" or "Beat'Em'Ups" or "Fighting" or any silly word someone tasked with categorizing games might have put under the word "genre." Instead, think of it as something much more specific to the God of War/Devil May Cry experience.]
Again, that you chose to interpret this as me judging anything is wrong. I'm guessing you're chomping at the bit to get back into some long gone Devil May Cry vrs God Of War thread. I've some bad news there:
[Jedi Wave] this is not the Devil May Cry vs God Of War post you are looking for.
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My sweetie, who is a religious studies major, has corrected me on this point. If you're Judeo-Christian, it's Isaac on the slab. If you're Islamic, it's Ishmael.ewhac said:
Sure thing .. nobody said that ... but you know what ... Dante's inferno is trying that ... see .. that's the whole point .. it is a blatant rip-off.Traumaward313 said:
In other words.
"Devil May Cry" .... is different
"Ninja Gaiden" ... is different
"Dead Rising" ... is different
"No more Heroes" ... is different
"Heavenly Sword" ... is different
"God Hand" ... is different
"Mad World" ... is different
On the other hand ... Dante's inferno .. blatantly rips-off GoW .. it is so damn obvious .. and not only does it rip-it-off .. but it does it badly ... now that's just one sad-excuse-for-game.
Except that isn't what you said. What you said is that you are getting tired of the Devil May cry formula which isn't the same as saying that the gameplay of Dante's Inferno seems derivative in light of the existence of many Devil May Cry/God of War type games. You are actually changing the argument. Factually the God of War/Devil May Cry comparisons end at their being in the same genre and therefore possessing certain similarities. Anything beyond that would be like saying Blazblue is a Street Fighter clone because you punch, kick, throw, and shoot projectiles in both games.geldonyetich said:
Devil May Cry was not the first game in the genre. Kung Fu Master was. The original usage of Hack and Slash had to do with games like Diablo rather than Brawlers like Ninja Gaiden or Devil May Cry. Ninja Gaiden is a far older franchise than Devil May Cry mind you.geldonyetich said:
So, let me get this straight:shadow skill said:
You think I changed the argument because I first said I was tired of a type of game and then said I felt it was derivative?
It would seem to me that it's not that hard to connect these two things as being part of the same idea: I'm tired of it because it's overly derivative.
The way I see it, when I'm tired of Street Fighter, I'm not going to get all that much more enjoyment out of BlazBlue. When I'm tired of Devil May Cry, I'm not going to get all that much more enjoyment out of God Of War or Dante's Inferno.
If they made a lot of radical deviations of gameplay, I'd change my tune. They did not. (Unless maybe you think the inclusion of quick time events has a whole lot of substance - personally, I look at them as being a barely interactive cinematic.)
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Is the same type of game as
To you?
Yeah - how about you get a real perspective on games before you start trying to pick an argument?
I'm not even going to touch this one. You just keep digging yourself deeper.
For the record, I never wrote the word genre even once. I'm talking about derivative gameplay experiences. You can throw crude categorizations such as genres at me all day, you'll just continue to miss the finer detail in which my point was made.