I don't why people complain about the ending of Human Revolution, unless they also hate the ending to the original game, which pulls exactly the same tricks and ideas.
The original Deus Ex didn't end with a slideshow of stock photos and showed you the repercussions of your actions by cutting to what is happening around the world. Also you actively went to other parts of the levels and did different things (yes some entailed button pushing) to end the game instead of being presented with a bunch of buttons right next to each other that generates a different series of slides.
If you dont add nostalgia into the picture, this game is better then the original in pretty much every way.
Guns. Yeah Adam can can pick up anything and us it, but are you telling me Denton could be an expert marksman with a rifle and could NOT his an enemy from 3 feet away with a pistol? Doesnt fly. The handgun rifle heavy system was stupid.
Stealth is actually viable in HR. Hacking isnt just a meter and you dont need a magic multitool to do it. Why do I have to level hacking if my multitool does it?
Amazes me how people keep dissing the ending scenes in Deus Ex:Human Revolution. WE ALL KNOW what happens after the game - it's called Deus Ex 1. There's even a cutscene at the very end of the game, AFTER the credits roll, that ties the two games together. On the PC, you even get a Achievement for watching it!
It's precisely because of that fact that the ending talks about philosophy instead of showing the What Comes After for Adam Jenson - the people at Eidos Montreal decided to respect Deus Ex 1, and as such cannot alter the events leading up to it - so Adam is going to be relegated to the dust of history before the game even starts. There's only ONE part of him that survives - if you want to see what it is, watch through the end credits and see the cutscene.
You get that Achievement no matter what you're playing it on.
Anyway, that's not the point that people are making. DE1 takes place 20 years later, with (mostly) unrelated characters. What we care about are the other characters that aren't covered by DE1 - quite a lot of them just seem to drop off the board, whereas I'd quite like to have found out how my last decision influenced them all - or at least a couple of them. We know what happens in DE1, but what happens 5 minutes/ two days/ a week after DE:HR?
In short, the game has to set things up for DE1, yes. But with the decision made at the end of HR, the route taken to DE1 could be wildly different for different players.
Sharp and spot on as usual, agreeing with a lot that bothered me as well.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find out how many Trailblazer paths I haven't discovered yet and what subconscious choices affected the gameplay on my first run.
I'd give the guys more credit for their story tho. Yes it's silly to make such a huge difference between prostheses made of wood and made of 20'000 moving parts, but the big difference is that stuff like glasses and watches are optional. Once you've replaced your right arm in Human Revolution, it's gone and you're stuck with drugs and expensive maintenance (if DX1's talk about mechanical augs is still true). And people start expecting you to upgrade, just like having a driver's license.
Tho I can't really see that scenario happening. We already use robots with superhuman abilities for specific tasks, that has always been the whole point of applied technology, but we never had to strap them to people. Rather, people get thrown out or end up in places where you have to do the brainwork (something we haven't developed the software for yet) while the bots do the work. And well, prostheses will always be prostheses. Doesn't change if you're human or not.
What really unsettled me however was that sidequest about prostitutes that are forced into augmentation because it's an emerging fetish, and to top it they get addicted to Neuropozyne and can't really turn back at that point. And oh could I see "augs" becoming a fetish.
I have to say tho, the game before didn't exactly have the most complicated story either. But maybe that's because All Myths Are True takes it to a level of cheesiness I can't take seriously anymore. The talk with Morpheus was interesting, but aside from that you have your average takeovertheworld bond villains that try to eat power fields bigger than their hats and... well, guys in trenchcoats and sunglasses fighting a New World Order kept secret although it includes hundreds of individual into a top secret plan.
Man, we can't even stop videogames from leaking, the Deus Ex guys really gave humanity too much credit.
I really, really, really hated ALL the endings tho. You have two choices: Lie to the public and dictate them what they should believe (with all scenarios equally horrible), or blow everything up which will certainly be a small setback now that key figures are missing, but in the end it won't change jack shit and none of what the player did mattered in any way. GENIUS. It is, in fact, bothering me so much I'm making a small comic with a custom ending, just because everything before was such a nice buildup. HNNG.
And the "secret end" after the credits had to be the greatest untwist of them all. Who the fuck didn't recognize the guy in the opening sequence because of his voice, and to a lesser extent his face? Anyone who played DX will, and to everyone else ~*~the reveal~*~ won't matter anyway.
O gesus, this was just great work I laughed really hard so much I had to see it thrice just to hear it all... but he really nailed it on all ups and downs of what I think of the game...
Speaking as someone who played the first deus ex and all it's sequels (yes I did endure the torture that was deus ex 2). I totally agreed with everything you said, yahtzee.
The sequel only captured PART of the feel of the original. Where the first game setup a set a rules governed by the game design then put the player in to experience it, human revolution failed because every step of the way you felt things were setup by the designers.
An example is breakable walls; the idea is good but making those breaking walls predetermined is a bad call. The PC should be able to attempt to break every single wall and there must be a reason hinted by in game aesthetics why a wall is unbreakable.
Another very bad immersion breaker is the gameplay cinematic, in the original, when you are in game you are never taken out of control. In human revolution every fucking stealth take down is a cinematic. Worst yet is when you try to jump to another roof you enter the slow fall cinematic.
Where cinematic used in cut scenes to help tell a story is ok, using it in gameplay and particularly in the gameplay of a game like deus ex really breaks the immersion and only create and annoyance.
Where human revolution is better than the first sequel, it still failed to surpass the first game, which is a shame since the first game was made years ago. But then I shouldn't be surprised, we've yet to have a successor to privateer.
Disappointed Yahtzee didn't mine the comedy seam of depicting Jensen as a chubby kid from all the candy bars he has to cram into his face to keep his augs charged up.
I liked the takedown cinamatic, I disliked the the Icarus thing every freaking time. Also the Typhoon, reminded me of Oot with everything freezing as link casted Dins Fire.
3rd person stealth is good though. Screw your immersion. First person stealth is lame. If you lean out to see somebody then you are seen. Without a hide in the shadows system, which is dumb in this case first person stealth is lame. I take the immersion hit for the gameplay advancment.
MY complaint is tranq rounds were so hard to get. I ended up goin stealth till I ran out of ammo then had to just blast the guys. Since I didnt want to quicksave trial and error.
You're cheating yourself, but entitled to it. Yahtzee's job is to tear down every game, even the ones he likes. It isn't mediocre, just not the excellent game it could have been, it's merely very good.
I agree with everything, exept for ending problem. It is a prequel, so no matter which option you choose, you know the outcome. Thus, question: why bother with choices?
Anyway, that's not the point that people are making. DE1 takes place 20 years later, with (mostly) unrelated characters. What we care about are the other characters that aren't covered by DE1 - quite a lot of them just seem to drop off the board, whereas I'd quite like to have found out how my last decision influenced them all - or at least a couple of them. We know what happens in DE1, but what happens 5 minutes/ two days/ a week after DE:HR?
In short, the game has to set things up for DE1, yes. But with the decision made at the end of HR, the route taken to DE1 could be wildly different for different players.
You blow everything up - everything stays the same. Key figures disappear, but the quarrels haven't changed. So yeah, nothing you did really mattered, but I think it's preferable to dictating everyone a lie like in the other options.
You support Darrow - purists win the debate
You support Sarif - augmenters win the debate
You support Taggert - kinda neutral outcome as augs are kept in place, but with limitations. De facto the Illuminati win since they keep full control over the situation and I doubt it would turn out any other than DX1's Illuminati ending for Adam.
(all under the assumption there are no more twists - so in a way just as confusing as the Helios ending)
But it doesn't tell you anything about what happens to specific characters, that much is true.
If you want to continue discussing the story or endings in more detail, I suggest a PM so we don't clog the thread.
I remember one of the first pieces of news I heard about Deus Ex: Human Revolution, was it wasn't going to be dumbed down for consoles...and it appears I was right, instead it was dumbed down in general.
You're cheating yourself, but entitled to it. Yahtzee's job is to tear down every game, even the ones he likes. It isn't mediocre, just not the excellent game it could have been, it's merely very good.
Merely above average then? I'm also attempting to interpret Yahtzee's review for him, which was hardly the "skip it" review the The-Fletch apparently heard.
Pretty much perfect. A quality title that is very worth playing, particularly if you find the concept appealing, but I can't see it going down as any sort of icon of it's time like the original was.
My biggest issue with the bosses wasn't that you had to fight them, it was actually the other aspect of them mentioned in the review. I wished they had more personality or reason for existing as adversaries. The glimpses of information you get (particularly about Boss #2) shows that there probably was some thought and effort given to creating these characters but not enough of that makes it into the game.
I remember one of the first pieces of news I heard about Deus Ex: Human Revolution, was it wasn't going to be dumbed down for consoles...and it appears I was right, instead it was dumbed down in general.
Ha! I knew he wouldn't like it. Yeah, fuck those mandatory boss battles? Do what I want? Sure, so long as "what I want" includes "shooting metalheads in the head."
Wait what ? His job to make games sound bad? Did you even watch the review , looks like he liked it to me . His job is to point out the pros and cons, which (unlike most reviewers who only focus on pros mostly unles they game is utter shit) is exactly what he does. There's no sugarcoating.
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