I've played Eve and found everything Yahtzee said to be very true. It certainly was boring and the boring part just reminded me too much of WoW with the pointless taking aaaaaages to fly somewhere. Also the fighting was a bit slow paced.
Zero Punctuation: Eve Online
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I totally agree with Tmcmistress. Atleast I found one MMO that's very different there, which is City of Heroes/City of Villains. Both games you can do just about everything by yourself if you wished, however there are a few things like special missions where you will need a team,but it's optional unlike WoW.
Yeah there is much to be said about the use of multiplayer in MMORPGs. As a longtime fan of Guildwars, I loved going for titles and such, but could not reach some (Defender of Ascalon) without a teammate. Not fun. I don't like ppl. Of course, if it werent for the jingoist idiots, some of that would be acceptable.
I played EVE for about a year to a year and a half. Right up to the point when it was revealed that the devs cheat at their own game.
Yahtzee's review is right on in all aspects.
Joining a player run corp isnt the end all be all of EVE life just so you know. I had more fun in the NPC corp than in any of the player corps I joined because once I joined, I was EXPECTED TO FULFILL A ROLE as though I had put in an application for a second frigging JOB.
The learning curve is a curve in the same way the side of a building is. It is NOT new user friendly, ALTHOUGH it had gotten BETTER in the time I played it. Yes, folks, it USED to be WORSE.
I quit the game once I realized that the devs like to cheat to win in the game that they created. This is much like a American football game where the referees are Quarterbacks. Yeah you can have fun playing if you dont intend your side to win ever.
Yahtzee's review is right on in all aspects.
Joining a player run corp isnt the end all be all of EVE life just so you know. I had more fun in the NPC corp than in any of the player corps I joined because once I joined, I was EXPECTED TO FULFILL A ROLE as though I had put in an application for a second frigging JOB.
The learning curve is a curve in the same way the side of a building is. It is NOT new user friendly, ALTHOUGH it had gotten BETTER in the time I played it. Yes, folks, it USED to be WORSE.
I quit the game once I realized that the devs like to cheat to win in the game that they created. This is much like a American football game where the referees are Quarterbacks. Yeah you can have fun playing if you dont intend your side to win ever.
Yes. EVE for the first few weeks is about as exciting as a clerical job, with lofty promises of epic PVP combat too far to reach for the average gamer. Just because you have extreme patience doesn't mean you should lack the inability to acknowledge that this is a niche game for a niche crowd, and that not everyone is going to love it.
EVE seems to have pulled a kind of semi Nintendo on many people, the whole 'Nintendo are awesome and anything you say is always wrong because their Nintendo and their awesome' idea. For some reason people seem to think that by grinding yourself silly with god awful controls and having to do things (player corps) to get anywere makes them more intelligent or above average gamers? I just dont get it but then again I like to have fun in my games.
I cant say that EVE is good but if you enjoy it then thats that, its just the vast majority of people agree with yahtzee.
I cant say that EVE is good but if you enjoy it then thats that, its just the vast majority of people agree with yahtzee.
Dont get this the wrong way, but imagine if one viewed girls in the same fashion. Why spend time get to knowing a nice girl and then eventually get in her pants when you can just buy a hooker and get dirty after 5 minutes?TaboriHK post=6.70442.750323 said:
Just as in RL, something is worth the wait. And sometimes the wait is a part of the fun. If, you can see the big picture that is.
Lamme see... I can play a game im immediately interested in and have fun
or
I can wait for two years having no fun and paying for a second job to eventually have fun in "the big picture"....
lemme THINK which I and the general population of the world are gonna choose...
Gee I wonder why the game has been out this long and only has 250k subs
Don't take this the wrong way, but it doesn't take me six months to get laid with a halfway decent girl.nastykerm post=6.70442.751865 said:
EDIT: And since we're going with that analogy, you do have to pay to play EVE, remember. So in essence you're still buying a busy hooker who apparently is "the shit."
Will people STOP with the sex analogies, please? It's immature and misogynistic.
EVE does not take six months to get into. My first PvP fight (Which I was on the winning side of) was on day three. My first major battle (40 ships to a side) was within a month of joining the game. I became a junior fleet commander for my alliance in two months, a senior in four, and I've been experimenting with different play styles ever since. A trio of rookie characters with absolutely no training beyond what they start the game with can bring down even competently-piloted battlecruisers in the right circumstances. [http://go-dl3.eve-files.com/media/0701/deathforge.wmv]
Yahtzee got one thing cataclysmically wrong, IMO - contrary to the "EVE players are to nerds what nerds are to regular people" thing, the EVE community (or at least, that part of it that I've met) are, for the most part, a group of intelligent, mature, interesting people with a fine sense of social acumen, and a better-than-average intellect. They tend to be older, better-spoken and more sensible than the average gamer, more sociable and funny, and less serious about their game than you'd expect.
which brings me back to the one thing that has started to bug me about ZP recently - whenever Yahtzee reviews a multiplayer game nowadays, he forgets the fucking multiplayer. Look at the Soul Calibur IV review - "Push throw button repeatedly to win the story mode". Sure, okay, good. Story mode is for friendless recluses. The rest of us play the game at parties, with friends, where repeatedly mashing the "throw" button doesn't actually work so well.
The exact same mistake has been made with EVE and Age of Conan. Multiplayer games are designed around this crazy idea of playing with other people, and in MMOs that involves joining a guild/corp. And yet in both those reviews he steadfastly refused to do either and complained about how the game failed to reward him for trying to be the sullen "cloaked figure in the corner" lone wolf.
If a game's designed to be played with other people, play it with other people I say. Maybe MMOs aren't his bag, because he doesn't like joining player guilds, which is fair enough, but if that's the case I humbly recommend that Yahtzee should stop reviewing them and focus on single-player centric games instead, since that's clearly where his interest lies. When he plays to his strengths, his reviews are merely amusingly harsh. If forced outside his comfort zone, they become unfairly biased.
EVE does not take six months to get into. My first PvP fight (Which I was on the winning side of) was on day three. My first major battle (40 ships to a side) was within a month of joining the game. I became a junior fleet commander for my alliance in two months, a senior in four, and I've been experimenting with different play styles ever since. A trio of rookie characters with absolutely no training beyond what they start the game with can bring down even competently-piloted battlecruisers in the right circumstances. [http://go-dl3.eve-files.com/media/0701/deathforge.wmv]
Yahtzee got one thing cataclysmically wrong, IMO - contrary to the "EVE players are to nerds what nerds are to regular people" thing, the EVE community (or at least, that part of it that I've met) are, for the most part, a group of intelligent, mature, interesting people with a fine sense of social acumen, and a better-than-average intellect. They tend to be older, better-spoken and more sensible than the average gamer, more sociable and funny, and less serious about their game than you'd expect.
which brings me back to the one thing that has started to bug me about ZP recently - whenever Yahtzee reviews a multiplayer game nowadays, he forgets the fucking multiplayer. Look at the Soul Calibur IV review - "Push throw button repeatedly to win the story mode". Sure, okay, good. Story mode is for friendless recluses. The rest of us play the game at parties, with friends, where repeatedly mashing the "throw" button doesn't actually work so well.
The exact same mistake has been made with EVE and Age of Conan. Multiplayer games are designed around this crazy idea of playing with other people, and in MMOs that involves joining a guild/corp. And yet in both those reviews he steadfastly refused to do either and complained about how the game failed to reward him for trying to be the sullen "cloaked figure in the corner" lone wolf.
If a game's designed to be played with other people, play it with other people I say. Maybe MMOs aren't his bag, because he doesn't like joining player guilds, which is fair enough, but if that's the case I humbly recommend that Yahtzee should stop reviewing them and focus on single-player centric games instead, since that's clearly where his interest lies. When he plays to his strengths, his reviews are merely amusingly harsh. If forced outside his comfort zone, they become unfairly biased.
Exactly what Ive heard about the WAR crowd. I started playing the game recently, and the kids playing that are even worse than the WoW players.AngryMan post=6.70442.753671 said:
That must have been very cool and gratifying for you but thats not the average player's take of EVE. The average player sees how big and hard and long it is and runs away. IF they stay, then they tend to have to wait quite a while to get inot a corp that will back them up in fights (Yes Ive seen the SP requirements a lot of 0.0 corps have.)AngryMan post=6.70442.753671 said:
The first fight I ever got into in EVE was when I wandered into the wrong place and got zapped and podded by guys in battleships. My frigate (the only ship I could fly at the time - we didnt get that neat 800,000 starting SP bonus you newbs do) lasted about one shot. Yeah it was real fun starting at zero SP, and yes it did take about six months to get into fights and start playing EVE then. I realize its different now though. You CAN go right into fights now and get yer butt handed to you on a silver platter by the average 2 million SP player. Unless you have ppl with you that are also several million SP characters, or the enemy's account was ebayed, a miner turned fighter, or an complete dumbass, yer gonna get yer butt handed to you in the same way as if a lvl 1 in WoW somehow entered into a fight with a 70.
I actually agree whole heartedly. As he said in the Tabula Rasa review, he Hates MMorpgs. So its not likely hes gonna give them a fair shake. If you go into a game with the "Lets see what flavor of shit sandwich this game will be" mindset, then however good the game is yer still gonna be getting a review of a shit sandwich.AngryMan post=6.70442.753671 said:
Im honestly waiting for the inevitable review of WAR where the trashes it up and down for being just like Wow