Zero Punctuation: Metal Gear Solid 4

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y8c616

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ShwStppnActr said:
He's right about the whole, "Things become less funny when they become commonplace," thing. No offense or anything, but Yahtzee's reviews never make me laugh as much as they did when I first started watching them. The first review I saw, I nearly cried because of how funny it was. Now, I just chuckle.
this guy's right- i mean, th 1st yahtze vid i saw was SSBB, and i iterally cried with laughter, but now it seems tht hes rippin into games for the sake of it, i think hes gettin lazy tbh. plus i thinkwot he sed about mgs4 is unfair, as it is, in my opinion one of th best games ever; a fitting conclusion to the best series ever
 

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I have to agree. Hearing about all this hype made me think I might as well try a game from the series. Since I didn't have a PS3, I got MGS3 for the PS2. While the game is enjoyable, there are also times where I find myself cursing at the controls in an enraged manner. The need to aim using (and not pressed down all the way) square button, plus having to hold R1 for first person mode, AND having to press L2/R2 to peek around the corner is rather frustrating. It should NOT be so damn hard to fire from cover. It's easier to take cover and fire in HALO than it is in that game. But what I must say is that the boss battles are AWSOME! Killing The Pain (or bee guy as I call him) was a rather fun experience. So while the game does have MAJOR problems in control, there are also redeeming qualites. Over all, I suggest if you want a more stealth like game, stick with Sam Fisher's Splinter Cell series. (although not needing to look out for damn cameras everywhere is a plus to MGS)
 

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I have played all the Metal Gear Solid games and loved them, its a fun break from the run-and-gun type shooter. I still think the story is absolutely round the bend, but all in all great review yahtzee! PS I now own a Pants-on-Head Retarded t shirt. go me.
 

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Agreed soooo much with this review. I'd never played an MGS game before, despite having wanted to, and MSG 4 was fun, but... come on, there were so many simply crazy features that it's incredible. Yahtzee is spot on about the long cutscenes, which are decent at setting the mood but horrible when it comes to actually, you know, inotroducing. But my main gripe is that MSG 4 is that it's apparently gone to the actions dogs and jumped on the current "omg games **** if you can't be an 1337 Rambo and mow down enemies by the thousands!!11" bandwagon started by the six-year olds demanding the games to be as dumbed-down as possible to be "fun" (pronounce "fun" in a sweet light voice while munching cotton candy and playing with your LEGO bricks while stifling a wail because someone mentioned the horrible no-no-words "realism", "teamwork", and "challenge"). MSG 4 is the first stealth game I've ever seen where your character not only can take a gazillion hits before dying and regenerate lost hit points fully and instantly, but also carries around a whole arsenal of heavy weapons ranging from assault rifles to freaking Javelins, and has the absurd ability to call up an arms dealer at any time to order even more, which are then magically and instantly teleported to him (shut up about the MKII/MKIII "getting them for him"). And why on Earth does the game pause while I access the menu to call people or ready weapons, a task which should not really be instantaneous gameplay-wise (in a stealth game, at least)? While the game is still awesome when you use stealth, there's no reason to actually use it to complete levels, which makes as much sense as a racing game that you can win by driving at a snail's pace and finishing dead last. If MSG 4 is a stealth game, then I'd hate to see the devs try to make an action shooter.

The third person camera is OK except from the fact that you can't switch from it and that it allows you to cheat by looking around corners without exposing your character (I'd favor listening for footprints or something else that actually involved a kind of... skill). Then there's the stress and alert levels which take an eternity to cool down if you actually do sit back and hide as you're meant to, making me feel like I'm being punished if I play the game like it's meant to be played.

There's so many more things I could rant about, such as how immersion is killed whenever someone calls you and the screen switches to a bizarre web cam screen, but I digress. Writing about all the faults of the game would take me ages. Go play it instead, trying to pretend it's the stealth game it's meant to be. That's what I do, and when I do, it's actually quite fun.

Sorry about this. Needed to rant :/ .
 

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I agree on the point that it is not possible for people who have never played an MGS game (actually, at least all the solid games) to enjoy MGS4.
However, that would be like complaining that the star wars sequels were not understandble for people who never watched the previous ones. (characters being introduced, story being build etc.) It is called 'developing a story'.

Even though the 'developed story' of MGS4 is large enough to wrap all spheres and/or dimensions of existence, does not mean it is 'badly written'.

A person can not say something is badly written, especially by claiming it is "objective" to say so.
"I don't like the story" Agreed, you dont have to.
"I like the story" Agreed, you can like it.
"I think it's unlikeable, because "this shit is bananas"" Disagreed! Who are you to judge what shit is... bananas?

All I am trying to say is this:
Noone is a fanboy because he likes a game that has been ripped on by yatzhee. (Because he pretty much rips on any game) You are a fanboy if you vigorisly try to defend it and try to 'force' or 'convince' people to like it, by using 'Arguements'. However, something as subjective as taste can rarely be changed by using arguments. And that whole behavior is rather psychotic.

However, trying to force people NOT to like it is as psychotic. I dont think Yatzhee has done that, but the community around him vigorisly does that (both).
 

tachikoma-x

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Yahtzee described very accurately my own experience of Metal Gear Solid 2. But since this was a review of the 4th installment, I have no desire to play(Or rather watch) it now. So the cut scenes are even longer than before (and more melodramatic?) and there's less actual game play in it? Dang! Worst fears confirmed. And I was kinda looking forward to MGS4. Oh well. It's still great to have some one review a game and really explain what the actual gaming experience is like.

Anyway, It would be great to have a proper review of Alone in the Dark. Another game I've been interested about.
 

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Triffid said:
But ANY of you who see Otacon and Solid Snake adopting a kid TOGETHER ( as in it's not a fanfic, it's in the official game) and not clue to you into the fact they are homosexual, you are HOPELESSLY naieve
Actually...
Her mother died, her father died. Snake promised her mother (olga) to take care of her. That's what he does. That does not make him gay, that makes him a trustworthy guy who keeps his promises.

And by the way, both Otacon and Snake had love interesets in women in the earlier installments and actually even in MGS 4. So that makes them bisexual at 'best'. But I do not even think they are gay. Even tho I would not mind at all.
 

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Id also like to note that I do not have a problem with people with different sexual orientation than mine... i do however, have a problem with the review dude making references and making them negative in this respect as if it is funny to make fun of others that are different than you.
 

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Escapistmag=Nazis said:
This site bans people for the dumbest shit. Fuck you all. Fuck your moms. Fuck your dads. Fuck your pets. FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK


Truly yours,
FUCK
Dude, that's hilarious.
 

Safe-Keeper

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Oh, almost forgot. Yahtzee, you [insert fitting hilarious nouns here], as much as I love your reviews, you need to get better at "gluing the parts together". To illustrate, instead of saying, "The dog was pink. It rained.", you could connect the two sentences by saying, for example, "The dog was pink, and shivered in the rain."

What I'm trying to say here is that while you're very good at writing, you're not as good as connecting sections of your review. When you go from discussing one thing to the next (such as from discussing gameplay to storyline), you need to get better at making the new topic be a continuation of the previous.

[/shot at constructive criticism]
 

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Indigo_Dingo said:
When did we find out who Sunnys father was? I don't remember that...
I believe on the Tanker in MGS2? Wasn't it the black marine capt.?

Iam not quite sure, so I am probably mistaken. My point still stands since snake promised olga to take care of her.
 

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Indigo_Dingo said:
Zirror said:
Indigo_Dingo said:
When did we find out who Sunnys father was? I don't remember that...
I believe on the Tanker in MGS2? Wasn't it the black marine capt.?
No, that was Fortunes father. She believed it was him keeping her alive until she avenged him by killing Snake.
oh god this shit is bananas.
 

Zirror

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Triffid said:
YYZed said:
Indigo_Dingo said:
Zirror said:
Indigo_Dingo said:
When did we find out who Sunnys father was? I don't remember that...
I believe on the Tanker in MGS2? Wasn't it the black marine capt.?
No, that was Fortunes father. She believed it was him keeping her alive until she avenged him by killing Snake.
oh god this shit is bananas.

It's a really really crappy storyline. I am of the firm belief that ANYONE who thinks the Metal Gear Solid series is a good storyline has not the faintest idea of what good storytelling is.
Once again, you are proving the point I made.
Who are you to decide what's good and what's bad storytelling?
By trying to insult people who like the story you are trying to convince them that they are wrong, otherwise they have "not the faintest idea blablabla".

You are as bad as a fanboy who tries to defend the story by all means, saying 'if you DON'T like it you have no idea of faint story telling'.
You can have your believes, but you should leave others their's too, without trying to deminish it.

I, for one, like the storyline of MGS. If that makes you trying to insult me or calling me names or doing other adult stuff to me, then go on right ahead. But that only proves my point even more.
If you want to disagree with me, then go on ahead. As long as you respect everyone's opinion it's fine.