Zero Punctuation: Metal Gear Solid 4
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To Mspencer, I don't mean he wanted Snake to get blown up, it was more of a buddy egging you on kind of thing. His intent wasn't for Snake to know he was going to die, just that it was going to be a pain to get out of it. I realize I may be the only one with that interpretation but the Sorrow seemed to want to help Snake through most of the game, and the way he always had a little smile as he held up signs made it seem like he knew how things were going to turn out and was amused by the whole ordeal.
Uh, and To Terra, you realize I said PARTS were trying. If I didn't enjoy the books reading them would be kind of pointless...And once again, I understand completely, I just dislike it. I don't care about half the fluff because once a characters motivations have been established we don't need some twit of a writer beating those same motivations into our head fifteen more times...Oh, and for the record, the Silmarillion seems fairly straightforward once you know what it's about. Both it, the LoTR books and the MGS series all can be followed with relative ease. They just tend to go off into nonsense world and dick around with details they've already established for a little while so they can be DEEP AND MEANINGFUL! which is where the confusion comes in. The onslaught of information just seems like an over excited child had a good idea and is trying desperately to inform you of it while stringing together new ideas they're having as they speak. The ideas may have merit, but their presentation is wanting in the extreme.
Oh yeah, and "Its like picking up the last book in a series that has a writing style you don't like and complaining that the story is bad because you don't understand it and you think plot points are repeated way too much." Hey, if it's for people who are fans, they already know those plot points and don't need them shoved in their face again. Imagine picking up Return of the king and finding it comprised of 1/3rd the first and 1/3 the second book with only the last third filled with new information. "We've read the books, we know these things. Why is the author going over them again for those of us who know and love the series?" Behold the breakdown of logic. If it's "For the fans" then you don't need to re-tread ground they already know, and if you're re-treading said ground and same said fans are annoyed it's not due to lack of understanding.
And what of those of us who liked the previous games, but are irked by the new ones? Where's the consistency in your argument then? Some liked the earlier ones but are put off by this one, so your "You don't get it, not fans, blah blah blah" argument falls apart again.
...Wait, our problem is that we want "punchy" writing. As in, writing that grips us and doesn't let us go, writing that drives us to continue reading, that gives us emotional investments in characters, that's our problem? So our problem is that we want writing that's good...ow, my logic.
And Ocelot, again, was hypnotizing himself and using nanobots. I almost could have accepted the "Son of the Sorrow" angle, but the actual explanation is so hokey I'm surprised people aren't forced to do a jig while explaining it.
The reason it's hard to accept these things is because...Wait, I think I could actually get into that. A copy clerk you say? It sounds fun, almost lighthearted. If that was the tone of MGS than all criticisms would be rendered for the most part invalid. "It's just a dopey game, lol." would work as defense just as it did for Duke Nukem and Serious Sam. The tone of the writing sets us up for how much is believable. If it's a SUPER CEREAL realistic game we have less tolerance for deus ex machina also known as "I can't be arsed to figure out how crap works." If it's lighthearted we let it slide because it's not meant to be thought about. You either have to think about something and force it to adhere to standards or let the crap hit the fan and say it's not a game to be thought about. They are for the most part mutually exclusive ways of writing.
I love this comment, "If you really think something is wrong with it don't post, just like I do post because I get annoyed that people say its bad writing when many of them seem to have no basis other than its long and they don't like long drawn out writing."
Here, I've got one as well. "If you really think something is right with it, don't post, just like I do post because I get annoyed that people say it's good writing when many of them seem to have no basis other that it's long and they like long drawn out writing."
So, you going to answer my itemized list or what, Terra? Just curious.
Rant ahoy!
Uh, and To Terra, you realize I said PARTS were trying. If I didn't enjoy the books reading them would be kind of pointless...And once again, I understand completely, I just dislike it. I don't care about half the fluff because once a characters motivations have been established we don't need some twit of a writer beating those same motivations into our head fifteen more times...Oh, and for the record, the Silmarillion seems fairly straightforward once you know what it's about. Both it, the LoTR books and the MGS series all can be followed with relative ease. They just tend to go off into nonsense world and dick around with details they've already established for a little while so they can be DEEP AND MEANINGFUL! which is where the confusion comes in. The onslaught of information just seems like an over excited child had a good idea and is trying desperately to inform you of it while stringing together new ideas they're having as they speak. The ideas may have merit, but their presentation is wanting in the extreme.
Oh yeah, and "Its like picking up the last book in a series that has a writing style you don't like and complaining that the story is bad because you don't understand it and you think plot points are repeated way too much." Hey, if it's for people who are fans, they already know those plot points and don't need them shoved in their face again. Imagine picking up Return of the king and finding it comprised of 1/3rd the first and 1/3 the second book with only the last third filled with new information. "We've read the books, we know these things. Why is the author going over them again for those of us who know and love the series?" Behold the breakdown of logic. If it's "For the fans" then you don't need to re-tread ground they already know, and if you're re-treading said ground and same said fans are annoyed it's not due to lack of understanding.
And what of those of us who liked the previous games, but are irked by the new ones? Where's the consistency in your argument then? Some liked the earlier ones but are put off by this one, so your "You don't get it, not fans, blah blah blah" argument falls apart again.
...Wait, our problem is that we want "punchy" writing. As in, writing that grips us and doesn't let us go, writing that drives us to continue reading, that gives us emotional investments in characters, that's our problem? So our problem is that we want writing that's good...ow, my logic.
And Ocelot, again, was hypnotizing himself and using nanobots. I almost could have accepted the "Son of the Sorrow" angle, but the actual explanation is so hokey I'm surprised people aren't forced to do a jig while explaining it.
The reason it's hard to accept these things is because...Wait, I think I could actually get into that. A copy clerk you say? It sounds fun, almost lighthearted. If that was the tone of MGS than all criticisms would be rendered for the most part invalid. "It's just a dopey game, lol." would work as defense just as it did for Duke Nukem and Serious Sam. The tone of the writing sets us up for how much is believable. If it's a SUPER CEREAL realistic game we have less tolerance for deus ex machina also known as "I can't be arsed to figure out how crap works." If it's lighthearted we let it slide because it's not meant to be thought about. You either have to think about something and force it to adhere to standards or let the crap hit the fan and say it's not a game to be thought about. They are for the most part mutually exclusive ways of writing.
I love this comment, "If you really think something is wrong with it don't post, just like I do post because I get annoyed that people say its bad writing when many of them seem to have no basis other than its long and they don't like long drawn out writing."
Here, I've got one as well. "If you really think something is right with it, don't post, just like I do post because I get annoyed that people say it's good writing when many of them seem to have no basis other that it's long and they like long drawn out writing."
So, you going to answer my itemized list or what, Terra? Just curious.
Rant ahoy!
I remember playing the GC version of MGS1 since it was cheap, and wanted to know what it was about. I have to say most of it kept me up at night trying to sort out everything, but with the fake deaths of the main villain, as well as other stuff thrown at me. What erked me the most however was Snake was doing all those crazy finishing moves after I killed the boss (much like Dante May Cry does, it's really annoying) it just robs the feeling I did something, when it could just skip the whole fight for that scene.
This is why I would get a PS3 for Final Fantasy more than this game, while the story is nice, I can't help to think they could just slap it on a DVD and sell it as a movie. Why even remake the game if most of the game is movie to begin with?
Though by far worse game to do this was (at least) first Xenosaga... or maybe not as bad as this game though.
I would however like to see how the series will pan out from here, maybe cross over with "Metal Slug?" >
Fun review as always, just thought to add.
This is why I would get a PS3 for Final Fantasy more than this game, while the story is nice, I can't help to think they could just slap it on a DVD and sell it as a movie. Why even remake the game if most of the game is movie to begin with?
Though by far worse game to do this was (at least) first Xenosaga... or maybe not as bad as this game though.
I would however like to see how the series will pan out from here, maybe cross over with "Metal Slug?" >
Fun review as always, just thought to add.
You say that like this is a youtube video praising the MGS series. You know? "if you dont like it whyed you watch it."TerraMGP said:
but its quite the opposite its actually a video about how much someone disliked the game. So maybe since you clearly are a fanboy who disliked liked you maybe YOU should gtfo and stfu.
First off, acronyms make you sound like an idiot. Second I'm a girl, THIRD I'm not talking about the video at this point but the game itself. Ive said what I have to say about Yatzee and best case scenario he is just trying to stir up fan Ire. I'm talking about the greater point that nobody has REALLY backed up the bad writing other than to say in more fanciful terms that its writing they don't like. See?
Did the Trilby games ever waste your play time repeating the same bullshit, or restating completely obvious bullshit you could see or figure out yourself, or dumping irrelevant non-plot-advancing bullshit on you that you could look up if you really cared about, just so they could claim to keep you occupied longer?TerraMGP said:
But you see lori Branford, that just makes the story sooooooo much more interesting and DEEP! and if you don't get why it's there then you just can't comprehend comprehend things. Even if you understand them your dislike of said extra information makes you an r-tard because any smart person LOOOVES all the extra information regardless of how badly it's shoehorned into areas it shouldn't be. That's what makes it such good writing.
As for TerraMGP, I'm sorry, all I heard was "Blah blah blah I refuse to actually respond to what people say blah blah blah" The girl thing is irrelevant unless you're one of those crazies that would prefer "fanperson", and you've yet to back up why Metal Gear Solid 4 is GOOD. This isn't show and tell time where we assume everything is unicorns and faeries and delicious candy. This is real life, where 99% of the shite out on the market is just that, shit. We don't normally assume something is good and work from there, we assume it's terrible and wait for it to change our minds.
I also see you still have yet to respond to the list or any points given by the people before you...Quick question, do you even read any of what people have stated or are you just so piss poor at reading comprehension that you can't form a decent argument to counter their points?
Which reminds me, I find your statement on acronyms to be amusing considering you referred to "Lord of the Rings" as LotR. Ah, blatant stupidity warms the heart.
With that, I'll leave you with a quote that's quite applicable considering your lack of cohesion between posts. I'd say it could apply to my posts as well, but at least I manage to keep my thoughts in line with each other.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
As for TerraMGP, I'm sorry, all I heard was "Blah blah blah I refuse to actually respond to what people say blah blah blah" The girl thing is irrelevant unless you're one of those crazies that would prefer "fanperson", and you've yet to back up why Metal Gear Solid 4 is GOOD. This isn't show and tell time where we assume everything is unicorns and faeries and delicious candy. This is real life, where 99% of the shite out on the market is just that, shit. We don't normally assume something is good and work from there, we assume it's terrible and wait for it to change our minds.
I also see you still have yet to respond to the list or any points given by the people before you...Quick question, do you even read any of what people have stated or are you just so piss poor at reading comprehension that you can't form a decent argument to counter their points?
Which reminds me, I find your statement on acronyms to be amusing considering you referred to "Lord of the Rings" as LotR. Ah, blatant stupidity warms the heart.
With that, I'll leave you with a quote that's quite applicable considering your lack of cohesion between posts. I'd say it could apply to my posts as well, but at least I manage to keep my thoughts in line with each other.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
Good as always and surprisingly acurate or so it seems to me with most of the reveiws so far. Ive never played metal gear solid 4, ive only played numero uno and the only thing i did was kick people down the stairs. Even though i will never get this game and will never get a PS3 its difficult to figure out which games actually are worth getting for the other consoles. The only ones that seemed clear to me are portal, cod 4 and pychonaughts although im probably not paying enough attention.
Looking foward to the next reveiw.
Looking foward to the next reveiw.
Spot on about the exposition-heavy writing style. Sadly, a lot of anime suffers from this, as anyone who's seen Ghost In The Shell or Appleseed will know. XXX yawnography.