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CFriis87 said:
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Jamieson 90 said:
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Carpenter said:
I can easily do it without demeaning you, it's just that you are making that part too easy.

You said this is just a curious girl. My point was that ten year olds are to the point where they can consciously understand that it's wrong to take advantage of smaller kids. We are talking about a very big age difference. You are presenting it as if it's a harmless game kids play.

He was four, she was ten. She was taking advantage of him, it should be dealt with instead of just letting it go and letting her develop knowing that society thinks it's ok.

Okay Mr. Psychic, how do you know it was sexually charged? How do you know she was taking advantage of him? Do you have any evidence for why we should treat this child as a rapist? Are you actually a child psychiatrist and expert on sex crimes behind your rantings about misandry and bad arguments?
She, a 10 year old girl, had two of her fingers stuck up a 4 year old boy's anus, so no I don't think that constitutes her merely being 'just curious', I mean how did that idea even enter her head? So I'm with Carpenter here.


Where in the fuck did you hear that little bit of information?
She was charged with rape... you can't actually charge a girl with raping a boy unless she sodomized him, I'm assuming this was done with fingers or an object, and fingers is the most likely possibility.



So what you're saying is i was lied to, it was never stated by a real information source, it was just something he made up? Lovely.
No... just that it's the only likely explanation for her to be prosecuted for rape, which she is.
I don't have access to the police report, but there has to be grounds for the prosecution to charge her with rape.
If I get access to the police report.


You're presenting speculation as fact even though it's explicitly stated in every single news source that the police and accused have refused to go into details. That is lying. Don't try to excuse it, stop making the claim when you have no evidence for it.
 

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This is why it's never okay to try a child as an adult. The fact that she could even face charges is a frighteningly accurate representation of the American attitude towards law enforcement.
 

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Donzacuceron said:
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I wouldn't doubt that the girl was sexually abused by someone else in her life. Could have even happened just recently before this. An investigation from child services wouldn't be all that bad an idea. A better idea than calling the fucking police.

Off-topic, the mods are getting real horny (not an insult to the mods, just an expression) off this thread. I saw like 5 suspensions/warnings on the first page alone.
The question here is not why, the crime was committed or where she learned this behavior. The question is ?did she do it?? If there is enough proof to charge her of committing the crime, the question is ?should she be charges as an adult or a juvenile?. If tried as a juvenile, the punishment should be appropriate to the punishment prescribed by law. The question should NEVER be ?should we turn our head because of her age?? Rape is rape and there is NEVER a justification. If convicted, she must pay for the crime.
An investigation may find her parents or someone else should also be charged with committing other crimes. If so they should also be arrested and charged.
Ya, it is a question of why she committed the crime, if you want to rehabilitate her so that she doesn't do it again later in life. But if you want to scar her for life by punishing her with jail, or prison, she's more likely to commit the crime again (especially when it comes to crimes of sexual nature). When it comes to children, punishment is not justice.
Totally ignore the fact that prison Is meant to rehabilitate people.
Imprisonment and taking away of freedoms is not rehabilitation. Prison acts as a punishment and a deterrent. You definitely can't say America's prisons are meant to rehabilitate when a majority of prisoners become repeat offenders and go right back into prison. If you look at Norway's prison system, then yes, you could say it is meant to rehabilitate people.

Edit: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15825222/The-Causes-of-Recidivism-in-the-Criminal-Justice-System
Here, read this. It will help you understand America's prisons are not places of rehabilitation. Granted, it's not specifically talking about Juvenile Detention Centers, but they suffer from a lot of the same problems.
 

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Master of the Skies said:
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I'm not seeing the evidence that most girls start it by 9. In fact a quick look at wiki says if it starts before that recent sources say it should be investigated(while older one say before 10). So right on the borderline doesn't seem very likely to be the most common age.
Tell that to all the 4th and 5th graders who have tampons in their backpacks, or the poor girls who aren't taught about it because "They're too young" so they just sit awkwardly in class wondering why they're the only ones that smell funny.
Free lesson: Just because it can happen doesn't mean that it's the most common case.

Now feel free to try again.
I never claimed it's the most common case, but that doesn't mean it isn't the case in this situation. That doesn't necessarily mean it is the case either. I'm not saying I know what the case is, because we have no details, I'm only saying we can't rule anything out.

People are saying girls don't get their periods in elementary school. I'm saying that's not true.

You just disproved a point I never made and called it a lesson, then asked me to try "again" in reference to something I never tried in the first place.

EDIT: I re-read the post to which I originally responded and I see now why my point was irrelevant. Who's the goofy goober now? This girl... :3
My post was *about* whether it was most likely she was or not, not to rule it out

And sorry for the tone, I was somewhat irked by my past conversation in this thread last night
Yeah I understand. Everything I said before my "EDIT:" was stupid because I didn't read your statement properly. Sorry for my tone too, I was jumping between debates and getting all fired up, lol.
 

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I spotted a Facebook comment on the article making the same allegation about the girl fingering the boy, but all signs are pointing to it being a lie.
So, one person made an assumption and passed it off as fact, and suddenly a bunch of other people bought into it? Somehow, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

But in the interest of fairness, I'll ask them directly.

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Yeah, i reread that and edited my post, i think the first time i read it i was so shocked i blanked it, seriously...ewww

And normally, i'm not an easily shocked person
Jamieson 90 said:
I too expressed in my original post how miffed I was that people were actually condoning what this girl did and seemed to be laughing it off as childish fun, I mean she's 10 not a toddler and by ten you know right from wrong, and if she really did have fingers stuck up his anus then that's pretty disgusting and I hope they they throw the book at her, that or that she gets some serious help.
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Right, that changes things a lot. I just watched the video, assuming it would sum up what was going on, but it was likely for daytime television, so that part wasn't mentioned.

Given that, I'm still not sure. Though I am sure she needs to be punished by her mother, but I don't think the authorities need to be this involved. She was certainly mean to the little boy and took advantage of his size and innocence, for which punishment of some kind goes without saying.

As long as the little boy got out of this unharmed and no future kids get harmed.
Hey guys, I can't find any sort of source for the thing about her shoving her fingers up the boy's anus. Is it something you came across that I'm just missing, or are you just claiming that because this guy here...

CFriis87 said:
She shoved two fingers up a 4 year old's anus while fondling his genitals.
"That girl had no idea that what she was doing was wrong."
Yeeeeah-no...
...tried to pass it off to you as fact despite later all but admitting here...

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No... just that it's the only likely explanation for her to be prosecuted for rape, which she is.
I don't have access to the police report, but there has to be grounds for the prosecution to charge her with rape.
If I get access to the police report.
...that he made the whole thing up?

If it's the latter, then not cool guys. Not cool.
 

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I seriously doubt the four year old is that traumatized by what happened, and there's no way this ten year old (yes, she's 10 people) understood the severity of what she was doing. She was probably just curious, because nobody talks to kids about private areas. But frankly, I don't care what the girl did. Just because you can charge her with rape, doesn't mean you should. She's ten for Chrissake. The fact that this is even an argument proves to me that there really is no bottom.
 

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Carpenter said:
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But you know he's a boy, he can't get raped. (sarcasm)
Not one single person has suggested that.
Not on this thread, but yes that ideology is pretty common now.
It's an ideology that has existed pretty much since ancient Rome, probably even further back than that. Men are considered the powerful penetrators and women are the weak to be penetrated. It's not some new feminist thing invented in recent times to attack men, it's a patriarchal idea to keep men in power and women in a lesser place. And yes, it does hurt men just as much as it hurts women, because society is set up to doubt and laugh a a man when he says he has been a victim of sexually assault. Cause the idea is that men are too powerful to be raped, and to say he was raped is laughable on par of comparing a man to running or throwing like a girl.

On topic, I just hope this is all properly investigated. The details are too scarce because they are trying to protect these children from more trauma, from being harassed by ignorant people who shouldn't be involved, and people are jumping to too many different conclusions to what actually happened. If she did with full intent and knowledge, hurt this boy, she should be punished accordingly. There are so many problematic issues between gender,age, and yes race when I looked up other articles for this story, people are already throwing around that she's black like that's some kind of polarizing detail in the case that's she's clearly guilty.

The basic thing is finding out if she knew what she was doing or not. Which no one is going to find out here, it's a case that needs to be dealt with privately considering the age of the children involved.
 

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Ah, whenever I need to laugh, looking at what's going on in US law always delivers! ^^ The common sense is weak in this one :3 So, if a five year old boy slaps a 4 year old boy because they couldn't agree which one of them gets to play with the toy car first, would you guys scold him or rather sue? At this point, I feel like one could ask this and not be laughed at in the US which just undermines how ridiculous US law is.

Btw, I also like this part in the report linked in the OP:
"Ashley's Mother also says the Houston Police sex crimes investigator didn't allow her to sit in on the questioning of her daughter. She says a 45 minute long interrogation that left her 10 year old in tears.
A spokesperson for HPD says they're not commenting on the case because it involves a juvenile...."

Oh, the hypocrisy; the icing on the cake ^^ How these people can actually be part of any kind of law enforcement, I will never know. I guess the ones with proper values, reasoning and common sense have too much dignity to be taking part in that kind of mess so morons is all there's left to work with.
 

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PirateRose said:
Carpenter said:
Colour Scientist said:
Donzacuceron said:
But you know he's a boy, he can't get raped. (sarcasm)
Not one single person has suggested that.
Not on this thread, but yes that ideology is pretty common now.
It's an ideology that has existed pretty much since ancient Rome, probably even further back than that. Men are considered the powerful penetrators and women are the weak to be penetrated. It's not some new feminist thing invented in recent times to attack men, it's a patriarchal idea to keep men in power and women in a lesser place. And yes, it does hurt men just as much as it hurts women, because society is set up to doubt and laugh a a man when he says he has been a victim of sexually assault. Cause the idea is that men are too powerful to be raped, and to say he was raped is laughable on par of comparing a man to running or throwing like a girl.

On topic, I just hope this is all properly investigated. The details are too scarce because they are trying to protect these children from more trauma, from being harassed by ignorant people who shouldn't be involved, and people are jumping to too many different conclusions to what actually happened. If she did with full intent and knowledge, hurt this boy, she should be punished accordingly. There are so many problematic issues between gender,age, and yes race when I looked up other articles for this story, people are already throwing around that she's black like that's some kind of polarizing detail in the case that's she's clearly guilty.

The basic thing is finding out if she knew what she was doing or not. Which no one is going to find out here, it's a case that needs to be dealt with privately considering the age of the children involved.
Definitely a case for the family, I agree. This is the kind of thing you punish your children for. I want to know just what the hell went through the caller's mind when they saw this happen and their first thought was 911. Who calls the police about small children? If you can claim rape because a 'minor can't consent', then you can't prosecute a minor for rape, or sexual assault. Pick a law and stick to it.
 

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Vyress said:
Ah, whenever I need to laugh, looking at what's going on in US law always delivers! ^^ The common sense is weak in this one :3 So, if a five year old boy slaps a 4 year old boy because they couldn't agree which one of them gets to play with the toy car first, would you guys scold him or rather sue? At this point, I feel like one could ask this and not be laughed at in the US which just undermines how ridiculous US law is.

Btw, I also like this part in the report linked in the OP:
"Ashley's Mother also says the Houston Police sex crimes investigator didn't allow her to sit in on the questioning of her daughter. She says a 45 minute long interrogation that left her 10 year old in tears.
A spokesperson for HPD says they're not commenting on the case because it involves a juvenile...."

Oh, the hypocrisy; the icing on the cake ^^ How these people can actually be part of any kind of law enforcement, I will never know. I guess the ones with proper values, reasoning and common sense have too much dignity to be taking part in that kind of mess so morons is all there's left to work with.
As a proud, well kinda proud, citizen of the USA I just have to say... Hell fuckin' yeah it is utterly ridiculous how messed up our system of laws are becoming! See in your example it is highly possible, depending on that state, that the first boy might be brought up on third degree assault charges or that the parent of the second child might move to get a restraining order again the family of the first child. It never ceases to amazes me how stupid people are becoming in this country when it involves the abuses of the law. I remember growing up and getting into fights, for real fist-fights with bloody nose and broken lips and only ever getting, at most, yelled at my parents. These days if that happens the law gets involved and kids, seriously children, get charged with crimes.

The girl isn't old enough to fully understand the ramifications of her actions but she'll most likely end on up on life time list of sex offenders. It will haunt her forever. And since it is Texas, from the name of the city, then it also likely they will try to try her as an adult which is ever more moronic than the situation. It isn't that I don't want to live on this planet anymore, its that I want the people who are making this case a big deal to be kicked off this planet. Hmmm sounds like an interesting Kickstarter to me.
 

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TakerFoxx said:
Pyramid Head said:
I spotted a Facebook comment on the article making the same allegation about the girl fingering the boy, but all signs are pointing to it being a lie.
Hey guys, I can't find any sort of source for the thing about her shoving her fingers up the boy's anus. Is it something you came across that I'm just missing, or are you just claiming that because this guy here...

CFriis87 said:
She shoved two fingers up a 4 year old's anus while fondling his genitals.
"That girl had no idea that what she was doing was wrong."
Yeeeeah-no...
...tried to pass it off to you as fact despite later all but admitting here...

CFriis87 said:
No... just that it's the only likely explanation for her to be prosecuted for rape, which she is.
I don't have access to the police report, but there has to be grounds for the prosecution to charge her with rape.
If I get access to the police report.
...that he made the whole thing up?

If it's the latter, then not cool guys. Not cool.
She has been tried for rape of a boy. In the US, that means some kind of sodomy. I don't care whether what she put in his ass were fingers, toys, veggies or a branch. I've heard from random places on the internet that it was fingers, and as that's the most likely tool of penetration, I'll go ahead and believe it was that and not a carrot or anything else.
 

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It's an ideology that has existed pretty much since ancient Rome, probably even further back than that. Men are considered the powerful penetrators and women are the weak to be penetrated. It's not some new feminist thing invented in recent times to attack men, it's a patriarchal idea to keep men in power and women in a lesser place. And yes, it does hurt men just as much as it hurts women, because society is set up to doubt and laugh a a man when he says he has been a victim of sexually assault. Cause the idea is that men are too powerful to be raped, and to say he was raped is laughable on par of comparing a man to running or throwing like a girl.
Then can you tell me why the National Organisation for Women (the largest feminist lobbying organisation in the world) are still lobbying for rape definitions to stay the way they are, excluding male victims and female perpetrators?
How about Mary P. Koss's effect on the definition of rape used in government and feminist advocated surveys in the US?

?It would also be desirable to conduct further quantitative inquiry using the revised SES (Koss et al. 2007), which contains items that have been crafted with behavior-specific wording to elicit information on a range of SV experiences. This will make it possible to base men?s rape prevalence estimates with more specificity on acts that involve sustaining forced penetration, leaving less leeway for men?s individual perceptions of what constitutes ?forced sex.??

or this...

?We acknowledge the inappropriateness of female verbal coercion and the legitimacy of male perceptions that they have had unwanted sex. Although men may sometimes sexually penetrate women when ambivalent about their own desires, these acts fail to meet legal definitions of rape that are based on penetration of the body of the victim. Furthermore, the data indicate that men?s experiences of pressured sex are qualitatively different from women?s experiences of rape. Specifically, the acts experienced by men lacked the level of force and psychologically distressing impact that women reported. (Struckman-Johnson, 1988; Struckman-Johnson & Struckman-Johnson, 1994).
We worked diligently to develop item wording that captured men?s sense of pressure to have sex and draw their responses into an appropriate category of coercion instead of to rape items. The revised wording is discussed in more detail later in the article."

What Koss is saying, through the unblinking text of two very different studies, is that when women say they weren?t raped, they really were, and when men say they were raped, they really weren?t.
That, uh, ?revised wording?? Men who are forced to penetrate under physical or any other kind of duress are not raped. That perception clearly has had an impact on matters at the CDC and other entities charged with the dissemination of information on rape and sexual assault.
 

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CFriis87 said:
She has been tried for rape of a boy. In the US, that means some kind of sodomy. I don't care whether what she put in his ass were fingers, toys, veggies or a branch. I've heard from random places on the internet that it was fingers, and as that's the most likely tool of penetration, I'll go ahead and believe it was that and not a carrot or anything else.
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No. No, just...no.

Dude. Enough. You have no real source for her sodomizing the kid. You just have assumptions based on one source using the word rape and some stuff you heard on the internet. One source says sexual assault, one says rape, and on that alone you felt compelled to quote a bunch of people and tell them, without a shadow of a doubt, that she sodomized the kid using two fingers. And everyone believed you, despite again, you were just making an assumption.

Now, is it possible that she sodomized the kid? Sure. None of us where there, and just about every source agree that the details are being kept vague. So anything could have happened. Maybe she sodomized him, sure. Maybe she sucked him off. Maybe she rode him like a pony. Anything is possible.

But you don't know that. None of us do. None of the details have been released! You do not, by your own admission, have access to the police report! So until we learn more, stop passing your assumptions off as facts.
 

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Hello Escapist's in todays news competing for the most Fucked up story this year In Texas a 10 year old girl has been charged with Raping a 4 year old boy and has spent 4 days in Harris County Juvenile Detention.This incident occurred when a woman spotted the girl outside playing with the boy penis so far not much information has been given due to the ages of the people involved.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/23224803/2013/08/21/10-year-old-charged-with-sexual-assauot

My Reaction to this event can be described as follows:
Discuss Below about what you thoughts on the matter are.
To be totally honest i'm torn on this one... On one hand i have a hard time believing a ten year old may fully grasp the situation but on the other hand sexually assaulting a 4y old is quite messed up. To be totally honest i think the girl should have been forced to go on therapy instead of juvenile detention.
 

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If it's the latter, then not cool guys. Not cool.
I originally didn't take the anal fingering into account, but only watched the video rather than the article originally, so originally I thought the guy telling me otherwise saw something in the full article I obviously hadn't. As for the guy who made this part up, originally, I hadn't seen any of his posts. Should anyone be considered "uncool" for being misled? I don't know I'd just either consider myself gullible or not very source-vigilant.

Who knows, it might be true, even, as others have said rape means some kind of penetration, but I heard she was being charged for sexual assault, sooo...

If this isn't true, check out my first post, the one before I was given this possible misinformation.

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Hmmm. It seems this is being sensationalised. By the sound of things she just got a bit too curious and fondled the 4 year-old, some busy-body saw it and decided that it was much worse than it really was. A 10 year old girl is barely even sexually aware in the same way adults are, if not at all.
 

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This is a very accurate description of me when I saw this thread... I would say im not dissapointed, but I am... just not at what I was originally going to be dissapointed at...
 

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TakerFoxx said:
CFriis87 said:
She has been tried for rape of a boy. In the US, that means some kind of sodomy. I don't care whether what she put in his ass were fingers, toys, veggies or a branch. I've heard from random places on the internet that it was fingers, and as that's the most likely tool of penetration, I'll go ahead and believe it was that and not a carrot or anything else.
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No. No, just...no.

Dude. Enough. You have no real source for her sodomizing the kid. You just have assumptions based on one source using the word rape and some stuff you heard on the internet. One source says sexual assault, one says rape, and on that alone you felt compelled to quote a bunch of people and tell them, without a shadow of a doubt, that she sodomized the kid using two fingers. And everyone believed you, despite again, you were just making an assumption.

Now, is it possible that she sodomized the kid? Sure. None of us where there, and just about every source agree that the details are being kept vague. So anything could have happened. Maybe she sodomized him, sure. Maybe she sucked him off. Maybe she rode him like a pony. Anything is possible.

But you don't know that. None of us do. None of the details have been released! You do not, by your own admission, have access to the police report! So until we learn more, stop passing your assumptions off as facts.
Look, I can appreciate that my sources aren't really that good, but I do know a thing or two about the American legal system, especially when it comes to rape charges (which is what the girl is facing... factually).
For the US law to consider a male human being to be raped, he needs to either be orally penetrated by a sexual organ (with the perpetrator being a girl, that can be left out of the consideration) or have his anus or urethra penetrated by a sexual organ or other foreign object.
I'll concede that my statements about her sticking fingers up his anus aren't necessarily facts, but applying Occam's Razor leaves it as the most likely explanation for the girl's current situation.
 

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At 10 years old she's not really old enough to tell right from wrong, ESPECIALLY when it comes to sexual education. Doooon't think she's had any yet.

So who in their right mind would agree to send her to juvenile detention? Even if she stuck her fingers up the kid's ass. The kid will be fine. 4 years old is within the age where you won't remember a damn thing that's happened a few years later. What she needs is education, not punishment.

Strange how society tends to look for punishment more than integration, even in cases where it's practically impossible to know better. Or maybe not strange, just sad.
Try reading your own post, but with the sexes flipped, so that you're now talking about a 10 year old boy having molested a 4 year old girl, possibly shoving fingers in her ass.
Do you still agree with yourself? Should the boy still only recieve education and no punishment?