Original posters can't "inb4".Kopikatsu said:inb4 arguments on gun regulation.
And there is no need to talk about regulation because he obtained the gun illegally anyway. It's not like a 14 year old can enter a gun shop and buy one.
Original posters can't "inb4".Kopikatsu said:inb4 arguments on gun regulation.
If a bunch of the kids were who drove him to do this, doing it in front of them would be pretty awesome.Trippy Turtle said:That is very sad... and no offense to him but kinda mean doing it in a school with hundreds of people. Nobody wants to see that.
[sub]*Cough*Ban all guns*Cough*[/sub]
I'd be less concerned about the gun, and more concerned about what the fuck they were doing to him in that school that made him want to do that ... I mean kids are killing themselves and others all the time, and there's a reason for it, and if we actually figured out what that reason was, and solved the root of the problem, kids would stop doing shit like this, whether guns were available or not.Kopikatsu said:inb4 arguments on gun regulation.
Actually, according to a few posts in the thread, the lad survived. He's more than likely in a coma while they repair the damage he's done to himself.Assassinscreed548 said:Either way, it's kinda natural selection. Maybe his other urges weren't so strong, and to outweigh them didn't take that much. Every person's life contains a lot of shit, especially when it comes to first world countries, where that shit is quite evenly spread. Most kids in first world countries have the same kinds of problems, and even worse ones on a level that can not be reached unless knowing that person and getting their trust. Most people deal with the shit and the stress, and others can't handle it and decide to blow their brains out in a school cafeteria. The world is better without him. It's sad that it had to happen, it's sad that a child's life was taken by his own stupid behavior. He's dead. He's gone. The only people left to care are his parents and family.
Hyperbole on my part, I was feeling pretty charged up when I made my original post; an error well spotted.Queen Michael said:2000 years? Where did you get those figures? As far as I know we've been around for much longer than that.
In this case I think we'd have a case of 'dishonest' aquisition. His parent's may have legally owned the firearm but he took it from them without their knoweldge.ElPatron said:Original posters can't "inb4".Kopikatsu said:inb4 arguments on gun regulation.
And there is no need to talk about regulation because he obtained the gun illegally anyway. It's not like a 14 year old can enter a gun shop and buy one.
This post shows great wisdom and I wish I'd shown more of it in my own.Treblaine said:Crazy idea: wait for the police investigation then read the published report and assess the fact that have been collected and weighed.
Possibilities the investigation will likely consider...
-deliberate suicide
-negligent discharge (mishandled, i.e. trigger accidentally pulled in bag)
-Deliberate trigger pull, unintended firing i.e. messing around as in "don't worry, it's not loade-BANG"
-some kind of Russian roulette game if a revolver
-Homicide mistaken for self-inflicted gunshot in chaos
It's a matter of analysing the evidence including thoroughly and carefully interviewing all the witnesses of both the event and surrounding circumstance. Like for example if they found a home movie indicating poor firearms handling or messing around like putting gun to head on pulling the trigger on what they assume is an empty gun.
People don't live through point blank head shots from fire-arms. It could have possibly been a .22 or a .24 cal pistol, and if he was very very very lucky he might have lived, but even with a handgun that small I doubt it. With anything else at that range it is a guarantee. And I know damn well how guns work, I'm an avid hunter and have over half a dozen firarms not 5 feet behind me.Ironic Pirate said:If it was a pellet gun, I doubt he would have been hospitalized. Guns aren't like in games, there's no 100% fatal shot. The human body is a very complicated system, and a gun works by firing a very small chunk of metal through it at a very high speed. It will wreck your shit no matter what, but whether it will cause enough damage to kill you or not depends on a huge number of factors, and it's very rarely instant.spartan231490 said:Shot himself in the face, but was hospitalized? I bet it was a pellet gun. Don't really care why he did it myself, doesn't change my opinions on gun control or bullying.
You can survive a head shot 100 percent of the time from basically any caliber. Shoot through the cheek. Clearly the kid had an angle that didn't go through his brain.spartan231490 said:People don't live through point blank head shots from fire-arms. It could have possibly been a .22 or a .24 cal pistol, and if he was very very very lucky he might have lived, but even with a handgun that small I doubt it. With anything else at that range it is a guarantee. And I know damn well how guns work, I'm an avid hunter and have over half a dozen firarms not 5 feet behind me.Ironic Pirate said:If it was a pellet gun, I doubt he would have been hospitalized. Guns aren't like in games, there's no 100% fatal shot. The human body is a very complicated system, and a gun works by firing a very small chunk of metal through it at a very high speed. It will wreck your shit no matter what, but whether it will cause enough damage to kill you or not depends on a huge number of factors, and it's very rarely instant.spartan231490 said:Shot himself in the face, but was hospitalized? I bet it was a pellet gun. Don't really care why he did it myself, doesn't change my opinions on gun control or bullying.
Which could happen in any country independently of gun laws.Gordon_4 said:In this case I think we'd have a case of 'dishonest' aquisition. His parent's may have legally owned the firearm but he took it from them without their knoweldge.ElPatron said:Original posters can't "inb4".Kopikatsu said:inb4 arguments on gun regulation.
And there is no need to talk about regulation because he obtained the gun illegally anyway. It's not like a 14 year old can enter a gun shop and buy one.
Actually... it's because he was rejected by a girl...Kalezian said:FalloutJack said:This could have been an accident or it could've been the prelude to something worse had he not been shot. We don't know why the gun was there and in his hands.
that...is almost exactly what I was thinking.
The question really is why did he have the gun in the first place, if he was planning something else then a catastrophe could of been avoided.
Think of it this way, if he wanted to kill himself, why take the risk of the gun being seen/found by another student or a teacher? why didn't he just shoot himself at his home?
for attention? maybe, but to me that is still a big risk for something like that.
No, it's because the town is extremely small, so we only have one school for Kindergarten through 8th grade. And he was in 8th grade.SmegInThePants said:he was only 14 so it really could have been an accident, 14 year olds can do stupid things. Adults some times accidentally discharge fire-arms, a 14 year old trying to show off to his peers easily could. And at that age anyone else involved is unlikely to 'come clean'.
Something doesn't seem right about a 14 year old in elementary either, i think some fact or other could be wrong in the story.
I'm sure more details will come to light as time goes on. its a lot of supposition for now.
That's....an interesting story....FelixG said:This is sad but true.Heinrich843 said:Typically, it's not hard to shoot yourself unintentionally, even in the head. (Depending on the make of the gun.) However, a student shooting themselves in the head in the middle of the school is clearly intentional.
I had a friend just about 3 months ago come over to my house and pick up one of my guns and ask 'Hey is this real?' while she was was staring down the barrel.
I had that gun and two others out, cleaning them before a job. I yanked it out of her hand and yelled at her for about ten minutes. Luckily they were all unloaded.
Yeah people are unfortunately, and in some cases terminally, stupid.
When the saints come in is not a nursery rhyme. Im sorry I mispelled something i understand how abhorrent it is to get a mention. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but i do not have a problem with it. I infact just used it. I understand humour dont try and tell me that i dont on the basis that we dont agree on a single joke. What i was trying to say was that the joke was not suitable as no one has accused this of being the fault of videogames and that, while the finger is pointed regularily at games by the media, it has not yet been done here. Therefore the joke wasnt suitable because the story was about what had happened not the media fallout. Making a joke early is not clever. Its just that you think this event was trivial enough to joke about and that its fine to totally change the subject. Many people have trivialised this and those people are scum, the maker of the joke included. The joke is just lazy as sarcasm generally is. Very rarely has actual skill been put behind sarcasm and this is not one of those cases. He took a serious situation and trivialised it. If someone you knew had done this and someone decided to make this joke then you would hardly be in hysterics would you? no you, i hope at least to demonstrate you are at least human on some level, would be insulted because they were trivialising it. you dont joke about a real human being attempting suicide infront of 70 people.Elemantary - Dear Watson said:Sarcasm: The lowest form of wit... I beleive that was a joke created years ago born from sarcastic tones itself... Alson with 'sarcasm is the most inteligent form of wit'. It follows the same basic rules of sarcasm.ablac said:For fuck sake i understand sarcasm. My point is that no one has yet blamed videogames. I know this is a gamin site but that doesnt mean everything needs to link back to video games no matter what. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. Anyone could of said what he said. point is no one did because no one is stupid enough to link this to videogames. This joke would at least be reasonable if someone had tried to link this to videogames. But no one has. This is simply lashing out at the media for something they havent done. he is the prick in a group who needs to leed the conversation to the one point he is interested in. Everyone knows that guy. A child has shot himslef and the best he can do is make a stab at the media's hysteria over videogames because thats all he cares about. Not the kid but the possible shit flinging aftermath. Thats vile. Theres no need to be so patronising. Most people are capable of having a mature conversation. Leave speaking down to someone in your teenage years and stop behaving like an immature prick. If you think this is genious then you really dont encounter much thinking in day to day do you? See its funny cause i inferred you were dum (if you really are stupid this is a joke, i dont know you or anything about you i just think your making a ridiculous point and im imitating you to demonstrate how low brow sarcasm is.)
Also, dumb has a 'b' at the end.
Again, with the kid thing... who said that the originator of the joke doesn't care about the kid? And where in any of the posts that you have made have you made ay attempt at mature conversation? One of them just repeats the word c**t in a nursery rhyme... mature my arse...
Knowing my own age, and knowing I am far from my teenage years, and that I am more than likely older than you myself means that your response just makes me laugh! I am an Officer in the Armed Forces, and thinking is my forte, thank you. I am also British, and as such , being British, and in the Forces this makes my sense of humour very dark, and heavy laden with sarcasm... I, along with a lot of other peple within the forum community on this site enjoy the humour that is in question above. It is people like you, who dont enjoy it, and then turn whiney, and sissy and accuse everyone of having fun immature, who are not welcome here.
Welcome to the internet. It is full of humour you will not aprove of... doesn't stop it being humour, or fun for those involved... Let me know when you fully understand this and are ready to come back and stop being a little *****...
Now run along now, back to your little pit of despair, where you will inevitably assemble another desperate pathetic attempt of defending what smidgen of honour, or pride you have left, in another, probably lengthy, but just as pitiful post. Undobtedly it will attempt to pick apart what I am saying in this post by poorly immitating me, using dated cliches and generalising yourself to be like that of everyone else on this site... even though you appear to not realise that people on this gaming website, like games, and will inevitably mention games in any topic when they are in an environment with other gamers...
Are these your emotions? No things humans do dont have to be humane. There is a certain amount of decency your supposed to have around extremely tragic events such as this and the way these people are behaving is completely wrong. I was raised to respect the lives of others. If you dont then why the hell should anyone respect yours? (not directed at the person i quoted if these aren't your views)werewolfsfury said:this is human nature as well kid.ablac said:To all those who want to say that he is doing a good thing taking himslef out of the gene pool or think this is a time for jokes: you are the ones who deserve to live on this world the least. If you wont behave like a human being then you shouldnt live. If you expect people to cry at your funeral then show some damn respect for the lives of others.