14 year old shoots himself in the head during school

[ElPatron]

inb4 arguments on gun regulation.

Original posters can't "inb4".

And there is no need to talk about regulation because he obtained the gun illegally anyway. It's not like a 14 year old can enter a gun shop and buy one.

 

[chadachada123]

Honestly, I'll feel really bad for the kid if he ends up surviving.

If he wasn't already a *complete* social outcast (my main guess for why he did it), he sure as hell will be now. There's no possible way for him to live a decent life in that city, period.

I have a close friend that was in a car accident and is still recovering (he will be for the rest of his life). He's mentally all there, but physically will be a bit mangled forever, and let me say, he is pretty fucking depressed. He straight-up says that he wishes the crash would have killed him pretty much every time that I see him, and I can't say that I blame him.

I sure hope that this kid, if he lives, doesn't have any visible deformities. It'd be hell for him if he does.

 

[RN7]

People die everyday. People also commonly commit suicide. People can attain guns in America, maybe or maybe not easier than in other reasons. Why is this particular piece of information news? There's nothing particularly interesting to discuss- an unstable child killed himself in the view of several other potentially impressionable children.

 

[chadachada123]

That is very sad... and no offense to him but kinda mean doing it in a school with hundreds of people. Nobody wants to see that.
[sub]*Cough*Ban all guns*Cough*[/sub]

If a bunch of the kids were who drove him to do this, doing it in front of them would be pretty awesome.

That would be my plan, in the unlikely event that I decide to kill myself: Right in front of my worst enemy, being extra careful to get some bloody gibs all over him. *Sigh*

 

[D0WNT0WN]

Spoiler: A VERY OFFENSIVE COMMENT

Spoiler: IM NOT JOKING

Spoiler: Seriously, it is a joke in horible taste.

Spoiler: Dont say I didnt warn you.

This kid is going to have even more issues, he couldnt even kill himself properly.

At least he had the integrity not to pop a few other kids before trying to kill himself, that takes self control.

Well im going to Hell.

 

[DarthFennec]

inb4 arguments on gun regulation.

I'd be less concerned about the gun, and more concerned about what the fuck they were doing to him in that school that made him want to do that ... I mean kids are killing themselves and others all the time, and there's a reason for it, and if we actually figured out what that reason was, and solved the root of the problem, kids would stop doing shit like this, whether guns were available or not.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Either way, it's kinda natural selection. Maybe his other urges weren't so strong, and to outweigh them didn't take that much. Every person's life contains a lot of shit, especially when it comes to first world countries, where that shit is quite evenly spread. Most kids in first world countries have the same kinds of problems, and even worse ones on a level that can not be reached unless knowing that person and getting their trust. Most people deal with the shit and the stress, and others can't handle it and decide to blow their brains out in a school cafeteria. The world is better without him. It's sad that it had to happen, it's sad that a child's life was taken by his own stupid behavior. He's dead. He's gone. The only people left to care are his parents and family.

Actually, according to a few posts in the thread, the lad survived. He's more than likely in a coma while they repair the damage he's done to himself.

I'm no scientist, but I cannot accept the notion of suicide into a form of natural selection because I'm afraid that if it gets repeated often enough, it will be accepted as 'fact' and the underlying causes (abuse, mental illness etc) will be getting ignored.

I suppose the great irony now is that he may have severe brain damage that limits his independant functionality and could require round the clock care. Thus becoming the 'unproductive' member of society others have accused him of being prior to the suicide attempt.

2000 years? Where did you get those figures? As far as I know we've been around for much longer than that.

Hyperbole on my part, I was feeling pretty charged up when I made my original post; an error well spotted.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

inb4 arguments on gun regulation.

Original posters can't "inb4".

And there is no need to talk about regulation because he obtained the gun illegally anyway. It's not like a 14 year old can enter a gun shop and buy one.

In this case I think we'd have a case of 'dishonest' aquisition. His parent's may have legally owned the firearm but he took it from them without their knoweldge.

Crazy idea: wait for the police investigation then read the published report and assess the fact that have been collected and weighed.

Possibilities the investigation will likely consider...
-deliberate suicide
-negligent discharge (mishandled, i.e. trigger accidentally pulled in bag)
-Deliberate trigger pull, unintended firing i.e. messing around as in "don't worry, it's not loade-BANG"
-some kind of Russian roulette game if a revolver
-Homicide mistaken for self-inflicted gunshot in chaos

It's a matter of analysing the evidence including thoroughly and carefully interviewing all the witnesses of both the event and surrounding circumstance. Like for example if they found a home movie indicating poor firearms handling or messing around like putting gun to head on pulling the trigger on what they assume is an empty gun.

This post shows great wisdom and I wish I'd shown more of it in my own.

 

[spartan231490]

Shot himself in the face, but was hospitalized? I bet it was a pellet gun. Don't really care why he did it myself, doesn't change my opinions on gun control or bullying.

If it was a pellet gun, I doubt he would have been hospitalized. Guns aren't like in games, there's no 100% fatal shot. The human body is a very complicated system, and a gun works by firing a very small chunk of metal through it at a very high speed. It will wreck your shit no matter what, but whether it will cause enough damage to kill you or not depends on a huge number of factors, and it's very rarely instant.

People don't live through point blank head shots from fire-arms. It could have possibly been a .22 or a .24 cal pistol, and if he was very very very lucky he might have lived, but even with a handgun that small I doubt it. With anything else at that range it is a guarantee. And I know damn well how guns work, I'm an avid hunter and have over half a dozen firarms not 5 feet behind me.

 

[godofallu]

Shot himself in the face, but was hospitalized? I bet it was a pellet gun. Don't really care why he did it myself, doesn't change my opinions on gun control or bullying.

If it was a pellet gun, I doubt he would have been hospitalized. Guns aren't like in games, there's no 100% fatal shot. The human body is a very complicated system, and a gun works by firing a very small chunk of metal through it at a very high speed. It will wreck your shit no matter what, but whether it will cause enough damage to kill you or not depends on a huge number of factors, and it's very rarely instant.

People don't live through point blank head shots from fire-arms. It could have possibly been a .22 or a .24 cal pistol, and if he was very very very lucky he might have lived, but even with a handgun that small I doubt it. With anything else at that range it is a guarantee. And I know damn well how guns work, I'm an avid hunter and have over half a dozen firarms not 5 feet behind me.

You can survive a head shot 100 percent of the time from basically any caliber. Shoot through the cheek. Clearly the kid had an angle that didn't go through his brain.

 

[akeldama1984]

you don't do something like that in public if you aren't seeking attention. I feel for the kids family though. I mean i've thought about doing it in front of the people i hate or who i feel make me miserable on a daily basis just to fuck them up you know.

 

[Heinrich843]

Typically, it's not hard to shoot yourself unintentionally, even in the head. (Depending on the make of the gun.) However, a student shooting themselves in the head in the middle of the school is clearly intentional.

OT: Speculate as to why he did it?

Given the choice to use a gun, I'd say that he felt helpless to control his life, and saw no point in living it anymore. Given the location, I'd say it had something to do with his social life, so much that he wanted to show everyone his suicide.

He clearly wanted it to work, and therefore any attention he wanted was postmortem.

Usually the tendency is to swallow a bottle of pills as a cry for help, then get rushed to the hospital with liver pains. He clearly didn't have the desire to get help.

 

[ElPatron]

inb4 arguments on gun regulation.

Original posters can't "inb4".

And there is no need to talk about regulation because he obtained the gun illegally anyway. It's not like a 14 year old can enter a gun shop and buy one.

In this case I think we'd have a case of 'dishonest' aquisition. His parent's may have legally owned the firearm but he took it from them without their knoweldge.

Which could happen in any country independently of gun laws.

People don't understand that here in Europe guns are *almost* a privilege and I feel like guns will be even more restricted. This makes us defenseless to criminals who acquire any guns they want. I don't want the same to happen to the US, illegal guns would flood the black market.

In Sweden a woman was convicted to 6 months in jail for carrying pepper spray, a drug dealer got 2 months for possessing a full auto sub-machine gun because "drug dealing was a dangerous activity". The government obviously hushed the situation.


Restricting guns only results in protecting criminals.

 

[draconiansundae]

This could have been an accident or it could've been the prelude to something worse had he not been shot. We don't know why the gun was there and in his hands.

that...is almost exactly what I was thinking.

The question really is why did he have the gun in the first place, if he was planning something else then a catastrophe could of been avoided.

Think of it this way, if he wanted to kill himself, why take the risk of the gun being seen/found by another student or a teacher? why didn't he just shoot himself at his home?

for attention? maybe, but to me that is still a big risk for something like that.

Actually... it's because he was rejected by a girl...

 

[draconiansundae]

he was only 14 so it really could have been an accident, 14 year olds can do stupid things. Adults some times accidentally discharge fire-arms, a 14 year old trying to show off to his peers easily could. And at that age anyone else involved is unlikely to 'come clean'.

Something doesn't seem right about a 14 year old in elementary either, i think some fact or other could be wrong in the story.

I'm sure more details will come to light as time goes on. its a lot of supposition for now.

No, it's because the town is extremely small, so we only have one school for Kindergarten through 8th grade. And he was in 8th grade.

 

[Exocet]

Typically, it's not hard to shoot yourself unintentionally, even in the head. (Depending on the make of the gun.) However, a student shooting themselves in the head in the middle of the school is clearly intentional.

This is sad but true.

I had a friend just about 3 months ago come over to my house and pick up one of my guns and ask 'Hey is this real?' while she was was staring down the barrel.

I had that gun and two others out, cleaning them before a job. I yanked it out of her hand and yelled at her for about ten minutes. Luckily they were all unloaded.

Yeah people are unfortunately, and in some cases terminally, stupid.

That's....an interesting story....
Despite being the hand's length of a firearm, or any other ranged weapons, maybe once every 3 years, I was taught form a young age to only point a weapon, loaded and unloaded, at something I wanted to shoot.
THe one time my grandpa took me to the firing range, he was so uptight about the rules, it was basically a 1h30 hour test, complete with trick questions and traps to test my discipline.
They are so hardwired into my brain, I even lessoned an archery monitor for a good 5 minutes.

So steering back to the OP, since this thread is clearly about gun control, perhaps a solution to part of the problem would be to talk to the children, tell them from an early age that guns are fucking toys. They are to be feared and respected, lest harm may come to you or others.
Although restricting gun laws in the US some more would be a great idea.
Honestly, why do you guys need fully automatic weaponry as self defence?

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

Wait...

Elementary school? 14? 8th grade?

What?!

 

[ablac]

For fuck sake i understand sarcasm. My point is that no one has yet blamed videogames. I know this is a gamin site but that doesnt mean everything needs to link back to video games no matter what. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. Anyone could of said what he said. point is no one did because no one is stupid enough to link this to videogames. This joke would at least be reasonable if someone had tried to link this to videogames. But no one has. This is simply lashing out at the media for something they havent done. he is the prick in a group who needs to leed the conversation to the one point he is interested in. Everyone knows that guy. A child has shot himslef and the best he can do is make a stab at the media's hysteria over videogames because thats all he cares about. Not the kid but the possible shit flinging aftermath. Thats vile. Theres no need to be so patronising. Most people are capable of having a mature conversation. Leave speaking down to someone in your teenage years and stop behaving like an immature prick. If you think this is genious then you really dont encounter much thinking in day to day do you? See its funny cause i inferred you were dum (if you really are stupid this is a joke, i dont know you or anything about you i just think your making a ridiculous point and im imitating you to demonstrate how low brow sarcasm is.)

Sarcasm: The lowest form of wit... I beleive that was a joke created years ago born from sarcastic tones itself... Alson with 'sarcasm is the most inteligent form of wit'. It follows the same basic rules of sarcasm.

Also, dumb has a 'b' at the end.

Again, with the kid thing... who said that the originator of the joke doesn't care about the kid? And where in any of the posts that you have made have you made ay attempt at mature conversation? One of them just repeats the word c**t in a nursery rhyme... mature my arse...

Knowing my own age, and knowing I am far from my teenage years, and that I am more than likely older than you myself means that your response just makes me laugh! I am an Officer in the Armed Forces, and thinking is my forte, thank you. I am also British, and as such , being British, and in the Forces this makes my sense of humour very dark, and heavy laden with sarcasm... I, along with a lot of other peple within the forum community on this site enjoy the humour that is in question above. It is people like you, who dont enjoy it, and then turn whiney, and sissy and accuse everyone of having fun immature, who are not welcome here.

Welcome to the internet. It is full of humour you will not aprove of... doesn't stop it being humour, or fun for those involved... Let me know when you fully understand this and are ready to come back and stop being a little *****...

Now run along now, back to your little pit of despair, where you will inevitably assemble another desperate pathetic attempt of defending what smidgen of honour, or pride you have left, in another, probably lengthy, but just as pitiful post. Undobtedly it will attempt to pick apart what I am saying in this post by poorly immitating me, using dated cliches and generalising yourself to be like that of everyone else on this site... even though you appear to not realise that people on this gaming website, like games, and will inevitably mention games in any topic when they are in an environment with other gamers...

When the saints come in is not a nursery rhyme. Im sorry I mispelled something i understand how abhorrent it is to get a mention. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but i do not have a problem with it. I infact just used it. I understand humour dont try and tell me that i dont on the basis that we dont agree on a single joke. What i was trying to say was that the joke was not suitable as no one has accused this of being the fault of videogames and that, while the finger is pointed regularily at games by the media, it has not yet been done here. Therefore the joke wasnt suitable because the story was about what had happened not the media fallout. Making a joke early is not clever. Its just that you think this event was trivial enough to joke about and that its fine to totally change the subject. Many people have trivialised this and those people are scum, the maker of the joke included. The joke is just lazy as sarcasm generally is. Very rarely has actual skill been put behind sarcasm and this is not one of those cases. He took a serious situation and trivialised it. If someone you knew had done this and someone decided to make this joke then you would hardly be in hysterics would you? no you, i hope at least to demonstrate you are at least human on some level, would be insulted because they were trivialising it. you dont joke about a real human being attempting suicide infront of 70 people.

 

[ablac]

To all those who want to say that he is doing a good thing taking himslef out of the gene pool or think this is a time for jokes: you are the ones who deserve to live on this world the least. If you wont behave like a human being then you shouldnt live. If you expect people to cry at your funeral then show some damn respect for the lives of others.

this is human nature as well kid.

Are these your emotions? No things humans do dont have to be humane. There is a certain amount of decency your supposed to have around extremely tragic events such as this and the way these people are behaving is completely wrong. I was raised to respect the lives of others. If you dont then why the hell should anyone respect yours? (not directed at the person i quoted if these aren't your views)