15 year old girl kills herself after persistent bullying

[Shadowcreed]

But what makes you better than the kids who bullied her. There is no need to avenge a dead girl. She may be dead but their is nothing we can do to help her. Yes, the bullies should be punished, however i believe that the punishment from the Judiciary System and their own guilt will be enough. The "internet activists" should not get involved because the whole situation will just elevate and the public will soon feel pity for those who bullied the girl.

I don't think the system will punish them enough since it will probably be quite difficult to find everyone involved and punish them according to their actions, mostly sheep behavior is at fault here. As for the guilt - I'm sure that the sheepish followers will feel guilty and that might be enough for them. The miscreants that set this in motion however, I don't think they'd give 2 cents about it. If you are the kind of person that can tell someone to 'try again' after she failed a suicide attempt, those people...Just...
What is appropriate for them? Jail time isn't going to fix it. Therapy? Something has to be done to get rid of that acid mentality. You can't just seriously say that to someone. Don't give me that 'people are allowed to be assholes' argument.

I wouldn't mind people feeling pity for the bullies - give the people a reason to pity them, besides their obvious lack of empathy, please give us a reason to pity them...

 

[AngloDoom]

Lovely. Half the community attempting to be human, the other half not making the effort.

While I fully admit I can't really care about a complete stranger, I have sympathy enough for anyone in her circumstances because no-one should feel so worthless as to literally want to remove themselves from existence. If you do not have such sympathies then please don't tell and stamp all over mine and tell me how wasted they are on such an issue: I'll be the judge of that.

 

[SoMuchSpace]

Honestly, stuff like this will keep happening until and unless the system is made at least three times stronger than it is.You know why kids like Amanda resort to Youtube videos?It's because the education system barely did anything to help her.She couldn't trust anyone, including teachers or counselors in her school enough to ask for help, nor do i think they care.And now suddenly everyone is posting psuedo RIP amanda messages to hop on the 'i'm a senistive human' bandwagon.

And what the fuck happened to the guy who basically did child pornography by posting nude photos of a minor, even more so making a FB account using it?Are you serious?The girl who punched her several times....the fuck were the school authorities doing?No charges were pressed for assault?

 

[MysticToast]

4chan posted this on their Facebook page. I'm not sure how many of the facts are correct, but the message at the end is definitely worth thinking about.

Spoiler

Amanda Todd

Ok, well let's just get this all out of the way so you all can stop your bitching about this dead girl. A lot of what is posted in her video and on her page is fabricated to make her look like she was an angel. Think again.

1. She was 15 years old when she flashed those guys.
2. She did it out of her own free will. She CHOSE to do it.
3. She already flirted with many guys before.
4.
She got 'beat' up at school not because of the picture, but because she slept with another girl's boyfriend. (refer to #1)
5. The guy 'bullied' her once only about 6-8 months after she flashed online. Not multiple times over 2 years.
6. She was known to have slept with multiple men and to sell herself out.
7. Her home life wasn't the best. (family troubles)

You people who are giving her sympathy and pity should all be ashamed of yourselves. Instead of giving pity to a girl who already commited suicide, how about you talk to that lonely kid at lunch? Yea, the one who sits all alone in the corner. But no, you'd rather sit with your friends and then come home and get on facebook and say shit like 'Oh, how come no one helped poor Amanda, she's so pretty, why did she have to die'. FUCK YOU! Go crawl back in your shell of safety while the ones who really need help are only an arms length away.

We should be talking about the ones who were bullied and managed to survive through it all. The success stories. Because that's what gives kids hope, the ones who know what it's like to be in their shoes. The ones who have walked that road before and came out ok.

What kind of message does it send to impressionable teens that if you go ahead and kill yourself that you will get thousands of likes on a facebook page and everyone will feel sorry for you and give you attention? If you have any self respect for the future then you'd stop and think about where your morals are. If you're too confused with your emotions and common sense, then just get off the internet entirely. No one wants to read your idiotic comments and your emotion filled rage tantrums.

tl;dr Stop giving pity to a dead girl. Give it to the ones who deserve it.

That's an excellent message. Glad someone had the balls to post it up.

 

[goodman528]

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So excuse me, if I believe in strength of people. I have the heart and courage to face people, rather than let people grieve over my corpse! Fuck you.

Being a white male middle class teenager in an English speaking country, which is top 20 in GDP per capital does not show you have the courage to face anything.

Being human means each of us have different lives and different perspectives on life. As ZhuanZi famously said "The bird does not know the joys of the fish". So please respect other people, because you can not know the problems in their lives.

For example, a girl in my town walked in front of a lorry traveling at 70mph. She died. She did that because her dad raped her and she got pregnant. Should she take her dad to court? Should she get an abortion? How can she live on what ever she does?

I was driving just behind that lorry that day. Stopped and called for an ambulance, then continued on my way. Heard the full story later from my friends.

 

[Teshi]

Anti-bullying campaigns are excellent, and there's no excuse for harassing someone like this, let alone a child. That said, it's impossible to entirely stop bad things happening to people, or to entirely stop people doing bad things to one another. Not to downplay this girl's sad experience, but people go through much worse things than this without committing suicide or becoming intensely self-destructive. I think we need to look at what personal characteristics and what support structures increase resilience, so sad stories don't also have to have sad endings.

 

[barbzilla]

I don't want to be "that guy" but according to the article she was posting explicit videos and photos of herself online and got upset when some guy shared them with "everyone". Something tells me alot this could of been avoided if she wasn't an attention whore and kept her clothes on.

This is a good deal of what is wrong with the world today. Why do people blame the victim instead of the violator? This isn't right, without the people abusing the girl this wouldn't have happened. Did she put herself in a situation that made her more open to it? Yes, but that doesn't absolve the people abusing this poor girl.

Let me switch scenarios. A guy and his wife are out at a bar. The wife asks the guy to get her a drink, and he goes up to the bar to comply. While waiting on the bartender to make the drink a girl next to the bar begins a conversation with the husband. The conversation is innocent, but the wife just sees him having a good time and laughing with another woman. The wife makes a bit of a scene out of jealousy and tells the husband it is time to go home. On the way home a fight breaks out between the two of them. The wife demands to be let out of the car. The husband, more angry than he should be, slams on the breaks and says fine get out. The wife gets out of the car and begins to walk home. As the wife is walking she encounters a police officer who informs her that she should try to get a ride, or at least be careful as there are some sexual predators in the area. Just a mile down the road the woman is pulled into an alley and raped.

Who's fault is the rape in that story?

The Wifes. If she hadn't gotten out of the Car she wouldn't walked by the alley she got raped in, if she hadn't walked by that alley chances are that guy wouldn't of raped her because she wouldn't of been there.

Wrong, the fault lays with the Rapist. If he wasn't a rapist the wife would have been perfectly safe walking home. The husband and wife allowed themselves in the situation, but the blame always lays with the violator, not the victim. People need to get out of this mindset.

Some blame still goes to the wife. If she hadn't been there the rape couldn't of happened. If instead of being a jealous ***** she had just been all chill and stuff the whole thing would of been avoided.

Think of it like a logic puzzle. The only way to be sure there is no rape, is for there to be no rapist. Thus the Rapist is the one at fault. Blaming the Wife is a bit pointless. The only person in the scenario who CHOOSES to do rape someone is the rapist.

 

[GildaTheGriffin]

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So excuse me, if I believe in strength of people. I have the heart and courage to face people, rather than let people grieve over my corpse! Fuck you.

Being a white male middle class teenager in an English speaking country, which is top 20 in GDP per capital does not show you have the courage to face anything

His profile says that he's from Russia. I don't think Russia is an "English speaking country".

For example, a girl in my town walked in front of a lorry traveling at 70mph. She died. She did that because her dad raped her and she got pregnant. Should she take her dad to court? Should she get an abortion? How can she live on what ever she does?

Either of those would have been far better options than suicide.

She is also incredibly selfish. Her decision to kill herself by stepping in front of a lorry will likely have a permanent effect on the lorry driver's mental health.

I will agree to that. She should have stood up for herself and called the police on her father and got an abortion. Abortion is kind of wrong in some ways, but never have the child of a father that rapes his own daughter. What kind of sick fuck does that anyway? I'm sorry to here that though, but still, there are other options.

 

[RanD00M]

And I should care why?
Shit happens, kids kill themselves, such is life.

 

[GildaTheGriffin]

Personally, I find it stupid that kids kill themselves just because what someone said to her or talked about her behind her back. It's one of those challenges that we all live through and we either fight it or ignore it. But no, they go and kill themselves. Fine, hope it's what she wanted. You know... wanted her parents to grieve, and her friends to miss her, and to give up on life like a weakling.

She'll be missed by those who loved her, but I will be ashamed as she was not strong enough to take the judgement of others. I was bullied too, but learned they only wanted me to be stronger and resistant, and learn to have self confidence and backbone. There is thousands of different bullies, but she should have not killed herself to show that she was strong or had a since of pride.

Rest in peace, young girl, for the Lord may give you strength that you never had.

Ha ha. Let's judge others when you have no idea what they were going through at the time. So you've never been brought to the point where suicide becomes an option. That doesn't give you the right to get all high and mighty and call people weak when you don't even know the kind of shit that it takes for people to actually get to that point. Don't pretend that you're stronger than her. You don't know shit.

How about trying to learn some empathy rather than being so self-righteous about it.

Fuck you, buddy. Do you even know what being human is? It about finding the means to survive and to live. Someone who breaks under the pressure of what people said is so minor and puny in my opinion.

Because she is a disgrace to what being human is. For thousands of years, we survived disease, war, famine, and tyranny. In those days, it was the strong and resilient who survived and fought to resist every threat. It those days it broke the hearts and minds of many. Many committed suicide for the fear of pain and lose of loved ones.

So excuse me, if I believe in strength of people. I have the heart and courage to face people, rather than let people grieve over my corpse! Fuck you.

Alright you Social Darwinist. Obviously you're in your own little world here. Just know that you insulting a girl you don't even know who was obviously experiencing a lot of pain that you probably could never even fathom unless you've been through it makes you the minor and puny one here.

You're a coward.

Did you even read my original post? I was bullied, for years I was, and I finally stood up to them and made them realize I had backbone! Later on they told me they only wanted me to stand up to them, so I could know not to be such a pathetic weakling. They became my friends, in respect of my strength and my courage..

 

[GildaTheGriffin]

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So excuse me, if I believe in strength of people. I have the heart and courage to face people, rather than let people grieve over my corpse! Fuck you.

Being a white male middle class teenager in an English speaking country, which is top 20 in GDP per capital does not show you have the courage to face anything.

Being human means each of us have different lives and different perspectives on life. As ZhuanZi famously said "The bird does not know the joys of the fish". So please respect other people, because you can not know the problems in their lives.

For example, a girl in my town walked in front of a lorry traveling at 70mph. She died. She did that because her dad raped her and she got pregnant. Should she take her dad to court? Should she get an abortion? How can she live on what ever she does?

I was driving just behind that lorry that day. Stopped and called for an ambulance, then continued on my way. Heard the full story later from my friends.

Why didn't she call the police and get an abortion? Trust me, it's stupid, though I understand the mental trauma of it, but still we all have to brave evil that is set unto us once in a while.

Also, what is a, 'lorry'? A car? Is that British slang?

 

[raklin]

I never got Cyber Bullying, just stop going online to the website or block them.

This is sad though, never good to see someone commit suicide.

It's usually not that easy. If you block them, they can just make a new account. If you leave the website, most of these 12 year olds who do stupid crap like this don't have the common (web) sense to use different names on different sites.
And if they're exceptionally careless, they can be doxed extremely easy. I've seen it happen a million times on that one image board.

And god have mercy on them if they're using an iphone to take pictures.

 

[Hollyfern]

Something is only a tragedy, it seems, if someone dies. My sympathies to the family, but this is one of those things that seems to be sad only AFTER the fact something has happened. Bullying seems to be only a sort of final nudge to a cry that has long gone unheard. For example, if someone feels that no one understands what they are going through and that things are already bad, suicide does seem like a great end, no sadness in death after-all. Though, bullying stems from social standards of what's 'cool' or 'in' at the moment so the death is ultimately pointless. It's sad to say, but suicide nowadays is fairly common. I do apologize in advance if my reply seems callous. I am not in anyway trying to be cruel. I do, however, agree with what Gilda's first post said.

 

[Seydaman]

This is exactly why I am going to strictly monitor my kids' internet usage (when I have them of course). There are far too many spineless fucks out there. I hope everyone directly responsible for this girl's depression learns from this. In a perfect world they'd get eaten by yetis, but we don't always get what we want it seems.

That video was fucking depressing. I need a hug

*Internet hug, feel the love*

OT: My heart goes out to the family. Dealing with shit like that is hard, and I wish she had held on to get help.

The cruelty of humans makes me weep, and it hurts me to know people can be so cruel, even inadvertently (As I hope it was).

 

[Lugbzurg]

This is exactly why I am going to strictly monitor my kids' internet usage (when I have them of course). There are far too many spineless fucks out there. I hope everyone directly responsible for this girl's depression learns from this. In a perfect world they'd get eaten by yetis, but we don't always get what we want it seems.

That video was fucking depressing. I need a hug

Teach them well, give them internet smarts. Constantly being monitored like that can have some very... negative effects, and can be avoided with internet smarts, like I just mentioned.

Now, look here...

"Amanda Todd's death shouldn't be receiving as much attention as it is.
Of course suicide and bullying isn't something that should be ignored, I think that whole issue actually needs more attention because it's just become an every day cycle that makes kid dread going to school all together. But when you give an individual person that sort of attention, that gives different people different messages. For those people facing bulling on that every day basis and thinking about suicide, a lot of them might even find more incentive to act on it knowing that they might get that attention that they felt they needed, that they might become a martyr. Really, R.I.P. to everybody who's killed themselves over the everyday [bull%&#$] that goes on in school, I feel you. But I don't believe acts like those should be publicized like that."
-A friend of mine